your saying, if you dl a mp3 from a torrent site that's already stealing from the music producers/singers and you would sell it for profit, its allright?

lol.

Should i bring my noose kit?

How about about a cigar and a waffle?

DWB,

You prob know the best sci-fi movie ever called Blade Runner?

"Ridley Scott cast Rutger Hauer in the role of Roy Batty without actually meeting the actor. He had watched his performances in Turks fruit, Keetje Tippel and Soldaat van Oranje and was so impressed, he cast him immediately. However, for their first meeting, Hauer decided to play a joke on Scott and he turned up wearing huge green sunglasses, pink satin pants and a white sweater with an image of a fox on the front. According to production executive Katherine Haber, when Scott saw Hauer, he literally turned white."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c40PR1Q78go

Try to find this movie with English subs. It really is an awesome movie :thumbsup

You've also seen Rutger Hauer in Sin City, Blind Fury, The Hitcher (original version).

Jan de Bont and Paul Verhoeven, both Dutch.
Verhoeven made movies like Basic Instinct and Total Recall and ofcourse the masterpiece Showgirls.

I have downloaded music in the past. I don't know the exact number of songs but it is probably in the area of 30. I haven't done any music download in probably 4+ years.

I have downloaded a few TV shows. In those cases they were episodes I forgot to DVR and missed, but it was always stuff I had paid for via cable.

I have never downloaded a full movie illegally.

With music these days, between Pandora, Spotify and other free, legal services I have no need to illegally download anything, or, for that matter, buy anything. I am not one of those people who enjoys collecting movies and music or books or things like that so having streaming access to them is just fine by me.

I'm saying if you download from an mp3 site, it doesn't make much difference if it's for personal use, or if you give it to a friend free, or if you sell it to someone for a profit...

stealing is stealing, whether you make a profit at it, or not... :2 cents:

The music industry has plenty of money behind it, and one thing they learned early is not to waste that money on trying to stop the pirating of songs, but expand the way they can make money. Sell on iTunes, Sell parts of the songs as ringtones etc...Any interview with a musician they all say the same thing. The money is not in the album sales. It is in the Tours. Musicians are like a Tube site. They put there music out there, to get bigger followings, they get endorsements, twitter followers, pay per tweet contract etc..it is a digital world. They have adjusted...and the internet has given them 10 new ways to make money after only taking away 1 way of making it..

Wow and my close friend at Sony music had the nerve to tell me that despite all those new sources of revenu... that they still only make pennies compared to what they used to earn and to expect more canned over hyped pop as they attempt to fill the financial void.

Boy I am very happy you set the proverbial record straight. I learn something new every day.

While they are opening up these new revenue streams they are still not making as much as they used to make. Today the music industry is a singles market, 15 years ago it was an album market. If you wanted a song you likely had to plunk down $15-$20 for the full CD, now you can spend 99cents and get it.

The biggest example of how the record industries are not thriving like they once did is the growth of the 360 contracts. Long ago I used to work for a record label and the label only made money from the music sales for that artists. Even the thought that a record label would get a piece of touring and merchandise and other things was almost unheard of. Now it is pretty common for new artists to sign deals that cover every aspect of their career so the label gets money from everything they do.

Well I am glad you have. No sense in being stuck in the 80's like you were earlier today.

Where I am sure some people are not doing as well. Look at some cases. Brittany Spears, Nicky Minaj for instance...shows like X-factor or American Idol were never around prior to this era. These broads will make 15 million this year just from doing 1 season of these shows. They dont have to make a record, they dont have to go on tour etc...There are plenty of people making plenty of dough. It might not be the actual people who make good music, and those people might be struggling. People have Vodka's they have clothing lines. This stuff did not exist before. They have many ways to make money besides record sales. Any main artist doesnt sell an album for 99 cents. more like 9.99. And they sell it digitally. Which means they do not have to pay for the actual pressing of the record, tape or CD. It is the same file being downloaded over and over again. Its not the age of good musicians making money for good music. Its the age of terrible music making tons of money because of PR and Social Networking.

If I was to be accused of being stuck anywhere it would be in the 1960s. Nevertheless you should rest assured that I am quite aware of the time and the current situation. To this extent I know for a fact that financially and in business I am far better off than probably most of the web kiddies in today's porn industry could ever hope to be.

That is unless of course one of the webbies on here inherited or found Mickey Zaffarano's lost safty deposit box key.


So here is a little advice offered from something I learned from my old age experience.

It is better to keep you mouth shut and be thought of as a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. Next time try doing something more, like actual research, before you go spouting off web kiddie nonsense.

To bad you are thought of as a fool for opening your mouth, not keeping it closed..

Its just weird thinking that you were around in the 60s now use the term 'Web kiddie'.

What is your research. Your imaginary friend at Sony telling how bad record sales are...

The problem here is that you are using a few choice examples in an effort to paint a large picture.

Of course Britney Spears got $15 million to do X-Factor and she is about to land $100+ million for a series of shows in Vegas. How? Not because of the internet, because for the last 10 years she has been one of the best selling most heavily marketed singers in the world.

Sure, there are still some people make a ton of money. Sure, there are plenty of artists who are making bank, but many are not as well.

When I said that the industry is a singles based industry now I didn't mean big well-known artists, I mean up and coming artists. These days it is not uncommon for an artist to be signed and they record and release a single. If the single doesn't sell well they don't even bother having them make an album, they just kick them to the curb and move on.

The record companies aren't innocent in all of this. They have gone from being companies that sold art and developed artists to selling a product and developing a brand. When it works, it works great, but often bands or artists that might develop into good selling artists are tossed out before they ever had a chance to develop. They can go on and do their own thing and use the internet to reach their fans, but that is not an easy thing to do either.

In order to get the clothing lines and the vodkas and all of that stuff you have to have prior success. Do you think some nobody with one single that barely has sold is going to get a clothing line a booze line or fragrance? Hell no. Those companies only work with established people

I agree with you. All I am saying that is albums are not the only avenue anymore. It is not everybody. But this has always been that way. Although I do believe (It is my opinion) that more people make more money now, then before. Before it was the big names, big bands, for many many years. Also, there are a lot more bands, rappers, singers etc now. Then there was lets say 20-25 years ago. Everyone wants to entertain now. Talent or no talent.

But artists like 'Solja Boy'. who doesnt sell albums. Has 1 hit son etc. Can still earn a living because of social media. He has no talent, but millions of instagram followers..

While there are some people who do make money from a hit song then selling the ring tone and making money from views on youtube etc, the middle class in music pretty much doesn't exist any more.

Back in the early 90's I worked for a small record label. We had bands that never got played on the radio (outside of college radio) yet many of them did pretty well for themselves. Between the publicity we could get for them through music magazines and press and them constantly touring they would do okay. We had several bands that would sell out 500+ seat places every night on their tours. I know that doesn't sound like much, but they were getting about $5 per person for those shows so the band was making $2,500 a night from ticket sales and another $1,500-$2,000 per night selling T-shirts and other merchandise. They would do 100 dates per year and clear $100K per band member just from touring. They weren't getting rich, but they were doing pretty good for an unknown indie band and some of them would go on to sign with bigger major labels and that early success helped them get better deals.

Those kinds of bands rarely exist anymore. Part of it is the competition. The cost of putting together an album is next to nothing now. Anyone with a laptop can record, mix and master an album if they want to. Then you can put it out and sell it on places like iTunes. The amount of competition because of that is staggering. Most of the music sucks and it makes just that much more difficult for the good bands to find an audience. So there might be more total people making money because you have a ton of people making a few hundred or a few thousand dollars from their music, but it appears there area lot fewer acts that are mid-list and make a living just doing music.

Yep. Basically if you dont have some hype machine behind you, you arent going anywhere. No matter what the talent is. But remember. Anyone with a laptop could make master an album. So just as much this cuts people out, it adds people to the scene. So someone who couldnt afford studio time etc. Can now do it from home.

To me, people here who complain about Tubes and such, are just not adapting well compared to mainstream. Look at movies for instance. Movies are making plenty of money. Bootlegs or not. Everyone once in a while a friend of mine gets bootleg movies, believe it or not straight from the guy at a Video store. Even the video store guy adapted, LOL. He cant make money off of old movie rentals, so he sells new bootleg movies. I personally hate the movie theater. I would not go to the movies no matter what, I never download movies on to my computer from torrents or sites like that. maybe twice a year I watch a bootleg a friend has. I do pay for cable TV. Everytime a movie gets played on cable, people get paid.

Sorry for the tangent. But mainstream has adapted. These RIAA lawsuits are few and far between now. In adult. There are a lot of people who have changed models, started new technologies, used there minds to expand there business and have made fortunes off of doing so. Then there are the guys who are still doing what they were doing and crying about tubes.