Exactly right.

Americans are addicted to fear.

This is true, unfortunately. The Police are the biggest street gang in the USA.

GrantMercury - You might have better results if you don't make posts that include things like the quotes below.

Also, you might try to identify trolls and not feed them. Not to mention people who mindlessly regurgitate far-right thinking points. You'll never get through to either group.

Grant doesn't appear to be the sharpest knife in the drawer...

And just for fun and factuality, I'll quote this a second time.

Loser comment buddy

Great point and nothing but the truth

+1 That was really shitty

I do like to have substantive conversations. I lose patients sometimes, though. Particularly when it comes to meaningful subjects.

I think you're spot-on.

was working late till I read this thread and now Im just disappointed with people in general. Sad is the only word to describe this. Life, business, money dont matter without our children and family. This man lost his family and so did many others. Edited or not it's sad and he should not be called a douchebag or an actor as I read all over youtube. Disappointing

It does seem this video, which was the subject of this post, was misleadingly edited. It was very irresponsible journalism. Shameful. :disgust

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/did-the-m...d-by-gun-nuts/

Sorry.

You're surprised? This is the mainstream media we are talking about, the same 3 or 4 corporations control the whole shit and they have an agenda... get a clue already...

Word:thumbsup

Thank you for acknowledging that.
:thumbsup

Ok. So, what exactly do you think their "agenda" is?

Credit to Grant for not doubling down or disappearing when presented with contradictory information. A lot of people on this board and IRL do exactly that.:thumbsup

Yep, he showed class.

Going a little further...

On occasion, I've presented Grant with documented contradictory information and he has been willing to accept that info. :thumbsup

I can say that has NEVER happened with the far right-wingers on this board. They just disappear from the discussion or change the subject. It's exactly like trying to have a rational conversation with a religious fundamentalist. No new information has a chance of getting inside that bubble.

thats Ok man. yellow journalism dates back to the invention of the printing press. its pretty well known by now that MSNBC is nothing more then the left wing version of fox news. I mean, they gave al sharpton a show for crying out loud.

The greatness of the interwebs is you can now get a variety of sources with different angles. but the progressive mind must be wary of selecting only outlets that conform to ones political persuasions. Both ideologies have deep thinkers if you seek them out.

one of my former friends attacks fox mercilously while he watches endless doses of MSNBC. But he claims he has no more love for dems then repubs. I LOL when he speaks this way.

nooo :Oh crap

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/ima...en_cropped.JPG

Some poignant thoughts to ponder...

ADG

"or anyone who is a victim of gun violence"..which happens every single day.

Yep his rights were take away but that's ok to many.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...rotest-footage
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/01...falsely/192386
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...d-by-fox-news/
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/09...all-for/181254
yep fox doesnt do that. lol once news became a profit center it all turned to shit

the unintelligent often make laws based on emotion.

please don't expect the intelligent to follow your lead.

Heckled or Not Heckled? MSNBC is Looking into Selective Editing, Other Nets Too

MSNBC is facing criticism today about the editing of a portion of the legislative hearing on guns in Hartford, CT earlier this week. Neil Heslin, the father of a Sandy Hook Elementary school shooting victim, was speaking before a committee at which local citizens, including gun rights advocates, attended. MSNBC portrayed a portion of the clip ? toward the end of Heslin?s 15 minutes of testimony ? as though he was being heckled. The 33-second clip aired on Tamron Hall?s show, Martin Bashir?s show and later on Al Sharpton?s show. Here it is:
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/...ts-too_b164867

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You don't work for FOX nor do you now anybody in a high level that works for FOX so you can't say what they NEVER have done.

However, it is very ridiculous that nbc would doctor footage like that.....I as a liberal think it's wrong.

And I as a very, very far left of the Democrat party social liberal (unless they decide to make prostitution and drugs legal) also think it's not only wrong...but a deliberate attempt to change our country to fit their ideas.

Am I crazy to just want the "news" to report stuff instead of trying to make shit up and create news?

150 sick fucks

your country sells weapons to anyone who will buy them, drug cartels included

maybe your country should lead by example, rather than trying to strip peoples rights away and using the deaths of children to justify doing so

some 'poignant' thoughts to ponder, yes?

Nobody is actually arguing that the issue with a cable news outlet doctoring a story equals nothing should be done on gun control.. are they?

We have had 5 page threads on lots of cable or news companies. Here's examples.

CBS's Dan Rather report where he had some modern copy of orders where George W. Bush missed his training. Remember that whole deal? The story BECAME about the letters on the document being from a modern device rather than a period typewriter (even though the woman said that the type of preferential treatment reported WAS accurate, it was overshadowed by the fake document story).

Then there are the times that FOX was shown to be using doctored images and videos to hype up the number of attendees at various tea party and other rallies.

Also the time(s) the Bush white house used Photoshop to add soldiers into photograph(s) (it was more than once I think? Don't remember. Lets say once where soldiers were repeated in a crowd image)

There was also the TIME magazine (I think) photographs where they were shown to be doctoring images by placing childrens toys in war torn rubble for greater effect, right?

So MSNBC is also among the ranks who doctored a story for a net effect of zero or less on the story, and negative a million on their credibility.

The horse is dead, Jim.

Wrong. They didn't "doctor" anything. They used stock footage to make it look bigger.

All these damn news channels do that all the time (even local news). It's disgusting.

But it's a GIANT step forward to actually edit video and audio to create a story. Fox wasn't creating that rally. They exaggerated it with stock footage (just like the news organizations shot at a certain angles to make the "Million Man March" look a lot bigger than it was...and just like I shoot certain angles to make Claudia Marie's tits look even bigger lol)

But MSNBC took a press conference and CREATED a controversy that didn't exist.

And when you realize that ALL the news organizations are shaping thought amongst people who don't really pay close attention...then you start to realize what's being done in our country.

All this talk on the news channels about how "Americans want our politicians to come together and move forward" (as long as "forward" is what Pres. Obama wants at any given moment).

And at the same time, those news channels are trying their best to influence events and shape people's opinions so that they can then run a poll and show favorable stats for what the President wants to do.

They did it with Bush too.

I was shocked when every news channel out there kissed Bush's ass so they could get "embedded" with the troops invading Afghanistan and Iraq!

No more critical coverage of war like it USED to be done during Vietnam.

The press is nothing more than a pack of puppy dogs to the Presidency. They are all worried about being in the "inner circle" and getting that invitation to the big Press Dinner every year.

So they toe the line of whatever the President says.

oh, sorry that I misused the term "doctored" then I guess? lol.

The way I intended it was what was obvious. They INTENTIONALLY MISLEAD THEIR AUDIENCE. lmao.

That's not in dispute, is it? Then whats the difference? You really see a difference between using "stock footage" (actually footage shot from a different rally) to lie in your story and editing what was there into a new context? FOX inserted shit that didn't happen, MSNBC removed shit that did happen. Which is worse? Neither IMHO, but I guess it could be a new argument if nobody has work to do.

I tell you what, since I cancelled cable I guess a year ago now, the only news I see is local and whatever I want to look up online, which is almost nothing ever. My homepage is google.com.. nice and clean with no news headlines to muck it up.

Yes, as I said...Fox did what NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC and your local news channel does all the time...used stock footage they already had to make something more dramatic.

I think that's fucked up.

But MSNBC didn't do that. They EDITED footage to CREATE a story that didn't exist.

That's what I'm saying.

What Fox did is total bullshit. It was using stock footage to send a subtle message to try and convince you to agree with a point of view.

What NBC did was 10 times worse.
They CREATED a situation that simply did not happen at all in order to make people get angry at gun owners. Just like it did to GrantMercury when he saw it and posted this thread originally.

Instead of arguing with me about it...step back a second and see what I'm saying.
Both things are dead wrong for news organizations to do.

But the NBC thing is a pattern of FALSIFYING video and audio footage. Just like they did last year with the audio of the guy who shot Trayvon Martin.
They ended up having to apologize for that too.

Of course, first they were responsible for firing up the black community and almost starting riots and violence with their "cut and paste" of video and audio.

You would think that NBC would have learned their lesson from that last year. But I guess not.

This is key. This is what changed when news divisions had to start being profit centers.

There ceased to be an adversarial relationship between News & Government/Big Business.

It's all been make believe ever since.

That's part of what makes all this dem vs rep, left vs right stuff (and how hard people latch onto it) such a tragic joke. It's all a fucking show, people! Bread & Circuses all over again:disgust

no good at all....

I remember almost all of those things. And there are obviously plenty of others we've forgotten about or never knew about.

Fuck Martin Bashir - he's the media whore in this case that pulled this shit.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art..._ 116869.html