Are the cops at the schools the cops who are fails? Otherwise they would be out working somewhere else?

Maybe - depends on the intentions of the shooter. If the shooter is well armed and has a lot of ammo, and his intention is to kill as many people as possible... The armed guard MIGHT be able to prevent a lot of people from being killed. On the other hand if it's a fourteen year old kid who pulls his gun out because he's mad at one person during an argument then it will already be over before the armed guard gets there.

It is to Late?????
Humm
So once the first kid is shot, no need to try to stop the shooter for the rest???
Just wait 20 minutes for the police??
Alright..... Not
Glad my kids do not go to school where yours do.

RIGHT,
But again why do you NOT want a guard?
See you are saying you do not want a guard (mixed emotions on this thread) I believe you said no armed guards.

I would rather have a MIGHT than a NOT Waiting on Police to file the report.

Duh, if it is to just kill one Person, you will Not ever stop that...
Well check out the Movie Equilibrium
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/

The schools are where the criminals are. Check the stats. 15 to 21 year old males are like 80% of all crime.

Exactly..

We setup sub Stations in an Office / Room for the Beat officers to hang out, do paper work and so on. This is a place where the Officers can go inside the schools, and keep the presence of police on school grounds without having to pay them.

The schools also have security guards, not armed, since we have police on school grounds at all times. The school also from time to time, depending on the event and or what other school the sporting event might be, hire off duty police to help with security.

i am not against all guns, but i am against assault type rifles and high capacity mags.

but i am not 100% against the idea of having armed guards at our schools.
at first it sounds terrifying but it is a new world we live in.
imagine if the al queda decide to randomly hit our kids schools?
these guys are not going to stop being terrorists..
in Israel all youngsters are required to be in the military for 24months? and during that time they have their rifle on them 24/7. you go on a bus and there are regular people who are in the uniform going home to see their family or whatever, and they are fully armed.
Nobody and I mean nobody fucks around..
Military state 3rd world possible, BUT that is the world we are living in, like it or not.

why not? my kid went to school where the black kids were armed... :2 cents:

Yes, once a shooter pulls out a firearm and shoots and perhaps kills a person it is in fact too late. Someone has been shot, someone has potentially been killed, and all the security guard can do is react. I'm not saying wait twenty minutes for the police, but an armed guard does not protect the first kid from being shot. An armed guard does not mean other people will not be shot, as was the case in the Columbine school shooting.

And do you really believe that government is a wise and benevolent organization made up of caring and altruistic men and women who truly only have the best interest of the citizens at heart?


puff-puff-pass...


Although I disagree with a lot that Rochard has to say he seems to be the only one who got it right: https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19437846&postcount=12

Remember that the men who wrote the Constitution and The Bill of Rights had just overthrown a repressive and tyrannical government and beaten the best trained and equipped military in the world using an armed citizenry, and were maybe just a little bit paranoid on the subject of Government Power.
But then, they had good reason to be.

Another thing, I keep seeing the argument that "an AR15 would be useless against missiles and tanks" and I agree with that statement, as far as it goes.
But keep in mind the fact that any government that uses missiles and tanks against it's own citizens has already lost it's legitimacy and will inevitably fall, just look at Syria, it's been over for Assad for a long time now he just refuses to accept the inevitable and is going to continue the bloodbath until he is dead.

Sad

The American System was crafted to be an endless series of checks and balances, the Second Amendment included, I feel the Founders got it mostly right with the exceptions of term-limits and not banning political parties right off the bat, but hey overall they did a pretty good job.

Remove any one of those checks and balances at the peril of us all.








Now I managed to say my piece without once calling somebody a "sicko gun nut" or an "anti gun pussy" until the very end.

What's everyone else's excuse? :321GFY

Self-righteous assholes. :winkwink:

So again, this is already going on. The NRA's best idea has already been acted on and it was many many years ago. Time to move onto some new ideas, this one is old...

I think we might be giving the armed guard too much credit here.

This might be a matter of it being too early to get accurate information from news sources, but I read an article today that indicated the armed security guard disarmed and took the shooter into custody "minutes" after the shooting.

The shooter was disarmed and taken into custody minutes after the incident by an off-duty Atlanta police officer, Turner said. He said the off-duty police officer, who was armed, works at Price Middle School as a so-called resource officer, providing security.

From this report it seems the shooting was done and over with by the time the armed guard was able to figure out what happened, locate the suspect, and take him into custody. (source)

I think we watch a lot of TV and we just assume this armed guard came sailing into the situation with bullets still flying and did some magic panda kung fu shit and knocked the handgun out of his arm. I think what really happened is the shooter fired his shots, and then fled and hid.

But still kudos to the cop because he most likely has more balls than most of us - approaching an armed gunman after a shootout.

Also, what I found really interesting... Is that this school has metal detectors in place. While it seems the shooting took place outside, clearly the metal detectors didn't prevent anything.

:2 cents:

isn't everyone armed in Montana?

Nope. I think the government is us. We The People. If D.C. is overrun with scumbags and lobbyists, it's because we haven't paid attention. Most people can't be bothered.

And why anyone thinks the government is going to kill them someday, or throw them in a concentration camp or some such shit is beyond me - my guess is too much fringe media. The idea that in that fantasy scenario a gun is going to protect them from the world's largest military is as ridiculous as it gets.

1. The government isn't coming for us.
2. If they do, an AK-47s won't stop them.
3. See #1

Wow. I couldn't agree more.

The government is made up of us. The people.

One of the things that kill me is the people that hate police officers. Someday these people will put on their big boy pants and discover that four of their friends are police officers, and that they care less about their fucking pot stash and are just trying to make it through the day. I used to fear the cops when I was younger - I got pulled over constantly. At some point you grow up and suddenly it hits you like a rock... You were getting pulled over because you were driving like a fucking douchebag.

so its ok to kill for oil, or religion or race,,, but dont kill out of jealousy or rage???? military doesnt make killing any less brutal buddy.

sorry rochard....the government hasnt been "we the people" since lincoln...cops are douche bag revenue collectors for the state...

If you don't think DC is reflective of our overall society then you need to open your eyes more.

Politicians are crooked because half of America is crooked. Our society is about me me me so why wouldn't Washington be the same way?

I've never had an issue with cops because I am on the up and up. If you have a different experience then it's you that is the problem.

It's always the same people who have problems with cops.
And it's ofcourse never their fault.

Funny how i don't have that problem.

Ok I'll bite.. So the whole idea of having "armed" guards at schools is to "PREVENT" a shooting from happening.

Welp the "armed guard didn't do that because the kid still shot his intended target. I mean fuck even at Columbine if I'm not mistaken there were two armed guards or two off duty cops that were there at the start and still a shit load of kids got shot.

When the fuck do you gun nuts finally realize adding more guns solves nothing?