50 cheap pastors :2 cents:

If you come in with a large group you are going to take up a lot of that server's time. That is time they could be spending on other guests so the place wants to make sure that the server gets a good tip. It would suck if you put in a ton of effort serving a party of 10 and they left you a tiny little tip.

If its not the waiters fault and not my fault, why should I be the one paying for it ? I have tipped generously before even when sending food back, its all about how the waiter handles the situation.


If the waiter doesn't like the conditions they work under they should consider finding another job..
If the owner doesn't care about the feedback its not going to improve, the owner will see their good staff leave and bad staff staying and eventually kill their own business.
Again, as its not my business its not really my concern....
If anything I'd say I am helping the employees as it would help getting a dialogue started at their workplace, if everybody did this the shitty places would be forced to clean up..

It's funny you think its my responsibility to pay their wages..Like everybody have to chip in so there is a piece for everybody and nobody is left behind. Isn't that what communism is all about ?

I get it. You are that shitty tipper who uses "I didn't like the food" excuse to stiff the waiter instead of telling manager or cook who cooked it.
Some poor college kid is busting his ass for you because thats probably the only job he can have while going to college, and you reward him with "my pasta had too much oil in it, so no tip for you". As if he has control over how much oil cook puts in it.

The problem is that often times people give great service and still get shitty tips or no tips at all.

I can understand tipping very little or not at all if the service sucked or there were major problems, however, to me tipping well just seems like the decent thing to do especially if you come in with a big group and get good service, but there are a lot cheap people out there.

I've noticed typically the service gets worse because the waiter think their tip is "secured"

What option is best:
1: Group of 10 people eats for $500 and leave a tiny tip, lets say 10%
2: Group of 10 people spend $500 at the restaurant next door.

yea it sure does suck dealing with the general public.

You are right. I'm sure if you asked 100 waiters if they would rather make $50 on a $500 bill from a group of 10 or nothing, they would take the $50.

If you asked them whether they would prefer to serve a group of 10 and make a $50 or serve five couples that each tipped them $15 you would get a different answer.

If you asked them if they would rather serve a group of 10 that left a zero tip or have them go elsewhere, they likely wouldn't care if the people ate somewhere else.

I have never waited tables, but the current GF put herself through college doing just that and she tells me that on an average night about 15-20% of the people leave a token tip or no tip at all. It wasn't just her or that she sucked at the job. She was good at the job and she is hot so guys often tipped her well, but she said it was that way for all of the servers. Maybe it was just where she worked. She just told me that if she had her choice she would stay away from big groups unless she knew them because the odds are they were going to tip like 5% and she could make more serving smaller tables.

1 well 10% at $500 would be a $50 tip for 10 people.


this isn't even about the %.. This is about a pastor that brings 9 other people and her bill was ONLY $28 and she was complaining about a $6 added in tip. Think about what you can get for $28 for 10 people?? They ordered a few appetizers and all drank coffee and water. People like that want to sit for hours and want their water or coffee refilled often.

I worked in a small store in high school and then at Radio Shack for a little while right after high school. I hated dealing with the public. Radio Shack was the worst. Guys would come in and buy a $2 battery then want to talk to you about transistors and capacitors and shortwave radio.

This thread desperately needs this:

Option 3:

Group of 10 cheap asses hit KFC and eat there while restaurant next door serves 5 couples who tip they way normal people do. Sounds like win-win situation to me.

If thats what you think then nothing I'll say will make you change your mind anyway.

To get back to the initial point it sounds like you are perfectly fine with giving generous tips for crap food and crap service ?

Crap service - no
Crap food I go to manager and tell him its crap. Server had nothing to do with me not liking the food.
Do you blame car sales rep when you have recall on your Bridgestone tires?
Wonder how many times you used crappy food excuse to stiff the server. I bet every other time you find something wrong with your food or drink.

I got to thinking. I don't think I have ever in my life seen a Pastor or Preacher tithe. I have however seen a number of them tip with tithe money at strip clubs.

Years ago when I was a service advisor, I worked for a Rolls Royce dealer and this local TV Rev used to come in. He had bought a used Rolls from them before I came to work there. They told me he paid for it cash, and it was all small bills. The type people throw in the collection plate. lol Also those types of preachers dont have a governing body. Its like Im starting a church, Im now a preacher or Im a bishop if I get a chain of them.

I agree, I think its more of an excuse. Ive seen people get perfect serve and they leave a dollar on the table.

Yeah there's one here in town (a black guy) who's in some deep shit for embezzling among other things who was rolling around in a Bently.

From that perspective it makes sense, I'm not viewing it from the perspective of the waiter. I look at it from the perspective of the restaurant owner.
The restaurant owner is the one who have the final call about wages, food quality and service levels.
Normally I go to the better rated places so I usually don't run into those problems, if going to a $10-$15 / dish place there is a clear difference in the service. The places they try and "guess" the tips you'll give upfront is usually the worst. You'll either end up with a obviously fake friend of a waiter who smell some easy tips or someone just ignores you if you are out with kids etc
The waiter is usually THE person who can give you a good or bad feeling about a restaurant almost regardless of how the food is. I tip based on how "special" the waiter/waiters made me or my guests feel.

Pretty disgusting to wrap her cheapness in a 'god' cloak. What an asshole

Absolutely, like these retards at this restaurant..

Could you believe this, the kitchen and restaurant wasn't even separated and you had to walk through the kitchen to get in. On top of that they served the dessert directly from the box and ....

WTF is up with that ?

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dairy queen.

"$3.99 is such a deal, it's a steal" illicit'd the wildest tantrum regarding 'accusations of theft', whatever you are now imagining doesn't even come close to how bizarre it was

intellectual upper class kits type.

WTF is a lot of places doing this! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
I've seen lots of Italian restaurants this way to show customers that its clean back there and see how its done. My favorite place has focaccia bread, salad prep station and pasta mixing station wide open. Lots Japanese places do it this way as well and Im not talking Hibachi. I wonder what kind of restaurants you used to. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Maybe you should stop speculating how everyone is out there to get an extra dollar from you. Are you a mind reader? More I read you rubbish more I see cheap ass jew whining about being cheated because he wants to substitute tomatoes for more lox on his bagel. :1orglaugh

+1.

To me, the server has to be blatantly rude, or clearly fucking off while I wait, for me to stiff them on the tip.

It is. That's how the system works.

Would you rather the restaurant pay their servers better by raising the food and drink prices? That's one way to handle it, I suppose. Then the server would have no incentive to provide the best possible service. I hear that's how they handle it at McDonalds.

Only broke ass losers don't tip. You're not paying the waiters wages anymore than if the restaurant paid them and raised prices.

Quit making excuses. If you don't want to participate in the going out experience that involves tipping don't go out at all.

Also, 20% is the new 15%.

I have tons of confidence in a restaurant that has a kitchen open to the public to see.


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Tip, of course, but never when she doesn't behave like a pleasant person.

Agree 100%. Some people are way too cheap to tip. "Why should I leave $10 for him if he only brought the food out. I can do it myself".

According to reddit she has congregation of 10 people in her church :1orglaugh

It also looks like the woman that got fired didn't serve this person a different waitress did. She took the pic of the other waitresses ticket and posted it. When the pastor found out she wanted both waitresses and their manager fired.

So much for turning the other cheek.

Sounds like a modern "Christian" to me.

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If they are horrible, restaurant etiquette says a penny let's them know that you would have tipped more and you weren't trying to stiff them but service was horrible.

I've never done that though.

Edit: one thing to take into consideration is if the waitstaff is in the weeds. It happens sometimes and isn't really their fault.

It is much easier to serve 5 tables with 4 people each than one table with 20 people. I don't know why, it just is. And, if there is no automatic gratuity, it's better money too. Even if one table stiffs you the others usually won't.

With big tables, they inevitably cant believe how much they spent when the bill comes, they are reeling from sticker shock when it comes time to tip and aside from that they almost always assume that someone else is going to do it.

Automatic gratuity is fine with me because I actually tip less that way.
I usually get good service most places and I think it helps to tip well since
I'm coming back again.

It's just a fact that some people don't know how to tip and I doubt that will change
anytime soon.

Most people don't realize that servers get a reduced minimum wage in many states
and the tip is needed to make a decent wage. They think the tip is "extra".
Educating them on this might help.

I believe in tipping and not only that, but tipping better than other people.
I find that doing that regularly in the places I like gets me prime service.

I did enjoy stirring the pot about tipping though because the lady(pastor) is to blame, not
a church, community or group of people; but that's not how some chose to express
their opinion. So I played with it.

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I was reading this morning that the pastor that did this is now losing members of her congregation. She only had 15 members to start with and it sounds like a couple of them have told her they are no longer going to attend her church. She is also making money selling her books online (although no word on exactly how many she has sold) and she has another job, but won't tell anyone what she does.

I am starting to wonder if her entire church thing was just a way to make a few extra bucks and avoid taxes.

So coles notes version on tips as pointed out in this thread.

All servers, bartenders say they tip so well and expect it from everyone, but seem to think bad service doesn't happen or isn't their fault.

Different establishments have different patrons that tip differently. The lower class a place you work at, the more likely you will be stiffed.

Servers think its a problem if you don't tip them, but don't care about any other low paying job that doesn't get tips.

Some people that don't tip think all servers make a fortune off tips.

I'll tell you something I do kinda resent, though. Tip jars at cafe registers. Couple of reasons.

1. Most people who work a register are getting paid considerably more per hour than waiters.

2. The tip is supposed to be for the work they do. Waiters attend to your needs from the moment you sit down, all through the meal. They check with you periodically to be sure the food is acceptable, and to refill drinks, bring condiments, etc. At a cafe, they hand you a mug so you can go over to the coffee carafe and fill it. They drop a muffin in a paper bag. So, I think ordinarily there shouldn't be tip jars by the register at a cafe. One cafe I went to a while back even had a note taped to the jar that said "Ever heard of college?" Fuck that. I won't take attitude from a glass jar.

Ok, how about tipping on every 7 dollar beer at Hard Rock last month? How about giving topless bitch 10 dollar bill for 8 dollar beer at strip club and getting "thank you Hon" in return?

Yeah, the Hard Rock overcharges for sucky domestic beer. That doesn't change what the bartender get paid hourly, though.

And strip clubs are money toilets full of rude, crackhead whores. Just stay home and jerk off and $ave benjis. :jerkoff

Sarcasm is your best friend sometimes. The service at this place was absolutely amazing, we had a private chef and a private waiter. Our chef came to our table and explained about the food and took directions as to what we wanted. They did have a menu but we did not use it. When getting the bill there was no room for tips anywhere.

I'm a cheap ass if I don't receive the service I expect thats for sure.
I don't like to compromise.

A good waiter is one you do not notice but they are always there waiting for your signal.
Its nothing against the waiter, I just don't go to restaurants to talk to the waiters.
Also come to think of it, I don't really recall being met with any rude attitudes at mcdonalds before, so why not ? If their food was any better I'd go every day :2 cents:

That's fine. If you're cheap and you go to McDonalds, at least you're not ripping off some poor chick or dude who's making 20k/year.

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