So would anyone with a public defender. And this guys obviously got big bucks...this is a fine at most...not sure why Mike South makes this into some big deal story on GFY.

Can't a man do some blow inside his own armory these days without the fuzz busting in?

Pretty sure they're not shooting at models?

So Have I and I agree with what you are saying:2 cents:

What is the point of going to Folsom now?

Isn't it amazing what our country has turned into?

A multi-millionaire owner of a giant piece of historical property in the middle of San Francisco...and the cops felt the need to "pat him down".

Fucking police state.

In a city with very strict gun laws.

Peter deserves better, he's turning a large area of the Armory into a public venue for things like community events. He has a heart for the community and wants to give back.

foobar...if they found some coke then not good. Social media will get you fucked.

seems gfy has blown this way out of proportion

blow and shooting guns? sounds like a real bad combination.
if that is their level of doing things by the book, I'd be concerned..
that being said, any model i have ever talked to who have worked for kink have NEVER ever had anything bad to say.

JP...just because the owner had a little bit of coke to party with for himself doesn't mean that the way they do things there.

I'm pretty sure he has a lot of people working for him there who do the actual work of shooting scenes.

As far as shooting a gun. Yeah, I would totally fire off a few rounds if I owned a former military fort that was as huge as his place is.

There are literally acres of property in that giant fort. You could go to one end of it and fire guns in a room that is perfectly safe for that...and people on the other side wouldn't even know it.

It's not like they are running around like Scarface in there with white powder all over their faces and maniacally firing guns left and right! lol

Like so many others...I have toured that facility. It is so huge. I'm not even sure if they use all the space in it. It's 2 city blocks! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Armory

If you want to destroy yourself on blow go ahead!

Nope they still haven't used all the space. The basement is almost all used. the 3rd floor still has rooms that are not renovated. The 4th is almost all turned into "the Upper Floor" set.

I was at one of the parties, where someone tried to do coke. They went ballistic on his ass and Kicked him out. So they are not exactly a drug friendly facility. What they may or may not do in private, well, that's another matter.:2 cents:

Of course...you don't want somebody coming into your place of business doing drugs because it can get you in trouble as the owner.

I've played many nightclubs where the bouncers will grab you and hold you for the police if they catch you doing coke in the bathroom...and then I've partied with the club owners of the same club in their office. lol

Don't come into my house doing things that get me in trouble...Only I am allowed to get myself in trouble in my house. heh-heh

The weirdest parts of this story are:

1- The fact that they can try to charge him with not answering the door fast enough with a "delay" or obstructing charge. As far as I understand, there is no law in the U.S. that says you have to answer the door to a private home or business for the police at all. Let them come with a search warrant. He can probably fight that charge easily.

2- How high must he have been to forget that he had some cocaine in his pocket? For crying out loud he has a gigantic building there and probably security cameras. He couldn't flush that shit down the toilet or hid it somewhere before he talked to the cops? Unfortunately, a felony simple possession charge of a controlled substance will likely be hard to beat so he'll probably have to take a plea.

Robbie, in your world, yes pretty common but when the regular folks of the upperclass of SFO reads this at their breakfast table, they do not share your opinion...
and consider the content they produce is likely to get "tested" against community standards of obscenity. that alone should be enough motivation to stay clear of any and all LE interest or scrutiny...

Hope that loser rots in jail and hope his whole company goes down with him

i hope he gets a good fucking in jail too like how kink fucks their affiliates...fingers crossed that the whole company goes down!

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Actually this is a serious situation in that now it's no longer a quiet place where porn is shot. It's now a place where guns are kept and fired, cocaine is used and pornography is shot. Now you are under the press/law enforcement/public eye where each of the big 3 "no-no's" are located.

The atmosphere there is never going to be the same.

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They do good work, too bad for him... probably will get out with nothing more then Drug Court. Hope he cleans up his shit.

1st off, my "world" is pretty normal. I live in a very expensive gated community with doctors, lawyers, owners of companies, etc.

2nd off...nobody in my "world" owns a giant 2 city block wide national historical fort. lol

3rd: San Francisco WAS pretty liberal about things. Not as hung up sexually as the rest of the U.S. is.

4th: Even with all that...I'm not sure how the heck Kink gets away with shooting the stuff they do. I don't find anything offensive about it at all and think it's super hot. But in our backwards society (that seems to devolve more everyday towards Puritanical times), anything but the most vanilla of sex is deemed "bad".

5th: Today in my "world"...I got up at 6 a.m. took my daughter to school with the little valentine cupcakes she made for her class. Came home, ate my oatmeal for breakfast. Fed my fish in my aquarium. Petted my dog and threw the ball to her a couple of times. Came out here to the office and read this. Next up is drive to the bank to pay my mortgage. Do some more work. Grab some lunch. Then some band practice (have a gig here in town next Friday). More work. Then I'm taking the family to dinner and a movie at the end of the day to celebrate stupid Valentines day :1orglaugh.

Life is so exciting. lol

i thought you lived this rockstar lifestyle partying hard..
but you still know what i meant. kink content has an appearance of being extremely hard core, you and I are "hardened" by this industry and our views are not those of regular peeps.
real pornographers are hard core, they know what they produce is borderline, they have balls because they also know sooner or later someone is gonna come after them but they are willing to take that risk.

I do...every 6th Friday night or so. lol

I USED to live a great life. Now I'm just another boring "average" guy who gets out once in a blue moon.

As that stupid song says: "I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was"

Depending on the community and how the legal argument is handled, you might be surprised by the conclusions that "regular peeps" come to with respect to BDSM porn. Check out the case U.S. v. Marcus some time (AKA "the slavespace.com case") and you'll see what I mean.

In that case, the defendant (Glenn Marcus) ran a site that featured some particularly brutal BDSM depictions, including things like:

And:

While the jury convicted Marcus of violating sex trafficking and labor laws (in what was considered a pretty novel application of those laws), it actually acquitted him on the obscenity charges, even after being exposed to the most severe and explicit depictions the site had to offer.

Granted, the fact that he was going to serve significant time on the labor and sex trafficking charges might have helped some, because it gave the jury the option of acquitting on the obscenity charges without setting the man free entirely, but it's still a hell of a precedent to be staring at if you're a prosecutor considering bringing obscenity charges against a BDSM producer in a community as metropolitan and porn-tolerant as NYC -- and San Fran might not be that different from NYC in terms of having a large local BDSM scene.

I don't mean to suggest that Kink could never be convicted on obscenity charges, just that it might not be as much of a slam dunk for the prosecution as people think.

pardon but he did not fuck her? above sounds like pure violence and I can see how that might not fall into the obscene content category.

i have always been advised by those wiser than me that it is ok produce content depicting a model tied up/bonded and also it is ok to produce content depicting consensual sex but you cannot or should not produce any content where a model is depicted having intercourse or otherwise sexually addressed while bound or otherwise restrained...

The Cambria No-No List looks like the Kink production schedule... :winkwink:

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4209556480/hD3D8C0CC/

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ADG

I guess I should have quoted the part of the description that includes the intercourse. Read on, below.

Granted, it says he had intercourse with her after taking her down -- but for reasons I'll get to in a minute, the dispositive element here cannot have been whether or not he had intercourse with her while bound, because the bondage itself is sufficient to sustain an obscenity charge.

The advice you've been given is not so bad from a practical standpoint, but it has little to do with the law, I'm afraid. The Miller Test is nothing if not maddeningly vague, and that vagueness introduces all sorts of possibilities.

Among other things, the application of the test hinges on the statutory definition of "sexual conduct" under the relevant state law. Under California law, that definition is as follows:

Please note the text that says "Sadomasochistic abuse for the purpose of sexual stimulation of the viewer." I see no indication here that in order to be construed as obscene, the sadomasochistic abuse necessarily must involve penetration.

New York law has similar provisions and definitions, including whether the work that has been alleged to be obscene "depicts or describes in a patently offensive manner, actual or simulated: sexual intercourse, criminal sexual act, sexual bestiality, masturbation, sadism, masochism, excretion or lewd exhibition of the genitals."

Like it or not, the crux of the matter is really what the jury thinks of the depiction/description at issue in an obscenity case, and whether it, taken as a whole appeals to the "prurient interest," whether the work depicts/describes sexual conduct in a "patently offensive" way, and whether the work (again, taken "as a whole") lacks "serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value."

It really does boil down to the specifics of a case, and the jury (or judge, if it's a bench trial) that hears it. With respect to BDSM, the law is nowhere near as specific as "bondage without penetration OK, bondage with penetration not OK."

But hey -- don't take my word on any of this... ask any of the dozens of lawyers who are part of FALA. They will tell you much the same thing, I suspect.

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http://img1-cdn.newser.com/square-im...e-e-books.jpeg

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http://lawrencerspencer.com/wp-conte...-OBSCENITY.jpg

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Banana, banana, terracotta, terracotta, banana terracotta pie... :banana

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this is actually one of the most obscene pictures i have ever seen

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Granted, it says he had intercourse with her after taking her down -- but for reasons I'll get to in a minute, the dispositive element here cannot have been whether or not he had intercourse with her while bound, because the bondage itself is sufficient to sustain an obscenity charge.
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ok but he still didnt fuck her while she was bound up.
and i am not saying what he did was ok or not.
i think what i am thinking of in this realm of fucked while bound is not obscenity issue but rather consensual vs non-consensual (basically rape).

None of it SHOULD be illegal. It's just fantasy role play that is filmed.

IF it were actual RAPE then yeah..go to jail for rape. Filming a rape fantasy and that being illegal is fucking stupid.

Millions of WOMEN have rape FANTASIES (no, they don't want to be actually raped in real life). But I've had role playing sex with lots of girls who asked me to pretend I was a stranger "taking" them against their will.

It's just part of sexuality.

Our country, and all of it's "holier than thou" morality is so fucking hung up sexually. Well, the actual PEOPLE aren't...we here in the U.S. are the kinkiest, most perverted motherfuckers on Earth. But for some reason, our govt. and our laws ARE.

It's like we deliberately make laws to "punish" ourselves (if you think about it that's pretty kinky)

Anything and everything that people enjoy (porn, drugs, etc.), we immediately make laws AGAINST doing. :1orglaugh

100k for that? I mean lawyers in America gets 4 times average annual wage for one little case?
Like you solve one little case and you can live off it for 4 years like an average american? Or solve 2 little cases and live 4 years like a decent income american?

that would be anarchy Robbie.
i dont think it is as cool as it sounds.

but i do agree that the US is over-regulating themselves.
good example is public transportation..
when i was a youngster back in Europe, we would take the train when we go to parties or nightclubs, bring a six pack and drink on the ride.

first and probably last time i ever used a US metro train i wasnt allowed to even drink my starbucks onboard. wtf

Not talking about "anarchy" at all.

I'm saying that YES there should be laws against stealing, killing, raping, etc.

But what the fuck are we doing with "Blue Laws" in some states? I lived in South Carolina from 1993 to 2008. And we couldn't go to Walmart and buy anything EXCEPT food before 1 p.m. on Sundays because Jesus would like that! lol
And the bars all had to close at midnight on Saturday nights because it was technically Sunday then and again...Jesus wouldn't like us to drink at a bar on Sunday!

Here in Vegas...an ADULT man can't have a liquor drink and a nude woman in front of him dancing in a titty bar. The girls have to wear TWO thongs.

The only club that is "grandfathered" in for full nudity/full liquor is The Palomino Club (where Claudia Marie appears on Wed. nights ~shameless plug~).

Anarchy? Really? No, just sexually and socially repressed moralistic busybodies who have nothing better to do than make sure that your life is as miserable as their own pathetic existence.

Kinda scarey how people are loosing there jobs over facebook posts, arrests being made on social media outlets. I can understand posting something illegal, but facebook posts and a job.... I can't see how something on your time could even play a part in your performance at work.

Because the corporations own everything, including your ass and free time and what you do with both.

here in CZ all that is legal to a certain amount - even including small amounts of heroin

still it's apart from a few typical places a very safe and peaceful country

the problem now are border towns where all the germans come over to buy their drugs and since there are no border controls anymore, they have no problems taking back to Germany what they bought here.

this is the one and only strip joint i ever go to in vegas.
it is a very very cool place, the girls are very hot and very naughty tho i have never been there on a wednesday night though.

$100K? Is this a St. Valentine's Day sale?

I thought Tubes were the downfall of the adult biz. No, 90% of the people involved in it are pieces of shit.