Yes.

Yes.

Every four years we hear the same shit - They are going to take away our guns and our rights. Blah blah blah blah. It gets old after you've seen seven or eight new presidents take over.

You are way more trusting than I am. Then again I see people for what they are. (Based upon what they have done in the recent, not so recent past and what they are doing all over the world right now) People in power = NOT TRUSTWORTHY.

If you trusted Bush's admin you have a screw loose. Those fucking fuckers fucked the fucking US of Fucking A over fucking big time. ( >;-)~ )

https://youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=PsuKiUMOwDI

Just because we have ipads and HDTV doesn't make us smarter about oppresive rulers than the guys that wrote the Constitution of the United States. They had hands on experience with being ruled by tyranical rulers.

I'll side with the Constitution every time.

In Canada you don't have the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution which says.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"

I firmly stand behind the founders of the USA that they were aware of the need for firearms and weaponery to keep the people safe from government oppression.
As it was then so it is now.
Armed citizens = Governed
Unarmed Citizens = Ruled

WATCH
https://youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=PsuKiUMOwDI

It ain't about duck hunting or even personal security it's about freedom from the government.

It's not on a whim that this is the Second Amendment. It's that important.

I believe they pretend to think the second amendment is for hunters. LOL I feel bad for them if they are really scared of semi autos. I feel bad for people that truly believe you can get rid of 200 million guns so they will feel safer. I wish they would understand that most men that own semi automatic weapons are the good guys. But fears are sometimes irrational. And I think the gun grabbers in government have a different agenda, and know confiscation will not solve the problem. But, you can't wake up someone that is just pretending to be asleep.

I do have faith in my government.

Bush passed the Patriot Act and it hasn't affected me at all.

Then they came for me................

READ:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

So you think that the patriot act hasn't affected you?:error

It has affected us all, we just haven't fully felt it's affect on us yet.

Our founding fathers didn't have as much faith in men seeking power as you do, that's why the safeguards are in place. :helpme

People are mezmerized by gadgets and checking their email on ipads, talking on phones way more advanced than startrek ever thought of. Distracted from the reality of things.
They think that it could never happen to me.
Never happen in the US.
Never happen to such a progressive country and to such good people.
Never happen as it did in other very progressive countries in the 20th century because we are better than them smarter than they were. That was a long time ago and they were stupid people. But not us (U.S.) because we are to smart to advanced, we are the best and we trust our government completely.

I call BULLSHIT!!!

IF WE ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO KEEP THE FIREARMS THAT STAND BETWEEN FREEDOM AND OPPRESSION AND TO THAT END WE WILL DESERVE WHAT WE GET.

The chopping down of the framework that keeps us all free is going on right now under our very noses. If not we wouldn't even be talking about this.

Having a gun to protect you from the government seriously must be the most dumb and hilarious reason you nutters come up with.

You mean the nations founders are nutters? That's why they put it in the constitution. LOL. You thought it was for deer hunters. You guys always talk about how the government has high tech weapons that would quickly destroy anyone with small armaments. Lets use them against the Taliban in Afghanistan then. How many people did Dorner take out before he killed himself. No drones. No tanks. An armed population is a beautiful thing. Founders knew it. Scaredy cats hate it. Sorry bros. we will be keeping them.

If every man has a gun every man is a potential solder. Not one man with a gun against tyranny but all men with guns against it. 350 millions of men and women armed against it.

Give up your guns and give up your freedom.

yet your government already banned automatic weapons and all kinds of highly powerful weapons from citizens. so you're full of shit.

you can do everything the second amendment states with single shot, level, bolt and pump actions shotguns and rifles. you don't need semi auto to satisfy the second amendment.

no, it's worse than that, in this thread they're saying the gun must be SEMI AUTO to protect you from the government

cowards need semi auto. real men place their rounds and kill what they intend to kill

speaking of second amendment - anyone ever considered that the SA was a well regulated militia and at some point was considered by the Nazi party and their follwers as the ones to protect them against the german government back then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

i think there's a bit of a difference between rednecks wanting big guns and the paramilitary wing of the SS.


the Germans were way smarter....

Our military has fully automatic weapons. Tell them that. LOL. When did American men become such chicken shits? Cowards are afraid the big scary guns are gonna come get them. Men get their own guns, so they don't get punked by people that aren't so scared of owning them. Come on guys. Let's not let the bad guys out gun us. :thumbsup

Oops. Sorry. I thought SleazyDream was American. Canadians have a different viewpoint. I respect whatever you guys decide to do about guns in your country. You guys won't do the same for us?

The SA was never really a "militia". It was the "security force" of a political party - the Nazis - and when the Nazis came to power it became a paramilitary force.

I live in urban US. Ive actually lived in projects in my teens, and never had a gun pulled on me. I havent heard one complaint about extended mags until a senator got shot

no, i don't respect your viewpoint, esp when i've had an illegial gun pointed at me head before from your country. your stupid gun laws keep illegal guns pouring into our country

I've been shot at and had a gun pointed at my head.

once in the bush - guy didn';t know I was there and bullets wizzed by me really close. He was illegially hunting on my dad's land.

and once when I owned a nightclub - someone sneaked a gun in and pointed it at my head. when he moved a guard took it from him.

i've never had an issue with extended mags. my issue is with handguns and semi auto. i don't care if a bolt, lever, or pump action gun has 100 rounds or 5. it's about how fast you can pull the trigger and aim at your target or spray

Sorry someone pointed a gun at your head. I know that must have scared you and scarred you for life. It would me for sure. But are you saying you would have been less dead if it had not been a semi automatic weapon? We live in a dangerous world. It seems like both of these gun stories have the innocent guy unarmed and the criminal is the only one with a gun. That is exactly the situation we want to avoid here in the US. Most of us here like the good guys to have a sporting chance. Almost all of our guns are semi auto. We have 200 million guns. They are not going away so these little arguments are silly. Even if you try confiscation, my gun will have been stolen when you come for it and you won't find it if you look.

pulling a gun on a guy who has already pointed one at you is your best way to get killed fast.

I never said pull a gun on a guy who has a gun to your head. If you carry a gun, you do your best to be aware of threats before they happen. If someone sneaks up on you and puts a gun to your head, do what they ask and hope they don't kill you. It worked for Sleazydream.

revolvers aren't semi-auto, so americans owning revolvers is ok with canadian op!

If someone has a gun on me I would prefer a semi auto. They get jammed. Revolvers don't.

:2 cents:

You have to be a certain type of person to be a copper, and that loving confrontation is just one small part of it. Dunno how it goes over in the US, but you get stopped here and pretty much guaranteed the 1st question is "do you know why I stopped you?". That 'question' is designed to get you on the back foot straightaway, and shift the control to the old bill. They don't like the answer (especially when it's 'wait, don't tell me, let me just guess, I can get this if you give me enough time, or a clue - maybe two of them') and their 2nd question is "waht's with the bad attitude". Yeah, like I'm kicking my fucking heels with joy at being randomly stopped because some cunt is bored.

All old bill are control freak power tripping egotists with a superiority complex (yeah I know it's redundant). It's just the nature of what's required to be one. This is the ultimate test of whether a copper is a class A cunt:

woman speeding doing 100mph turns out to be the copper's mum. He:

a) nicks her anyway, and shows being a jobsworth is more important than ensuring his mum doesn't get a driving ban
b) lets it slide, and ignores any oath to uphold the law, deciding he/she is the one to decide who gets punished

^ = you can't be a copper without being a cunt. Fact!

Anyway, carry on...

A guy in a city not that far from me killed a girl with knife in front of a disco club. He said "She deserved it. I would gladly killed all those losers in the club if I had a gun". That's why we have strict gun control in most european countries.

Seems like everyone on GFY hates cops. I did too when I was 24. All they wanted to was harass me.

The other day I was driving down the street and I saw a cop and hit my brakes. And it hit me like a rock - there was no reason for this. I'm no longer 24, not speeding, and the cop isn't going to be harassing me. The truth is cops harass you for a reason - not because they are dicks, but because you a dick. I see it all the time on the freeway - I'm driving 70 to 75, I'm already speeding, but I'm being a "good boy" and staying in my lane, not tailgating, not passing on the left... And then I see some jackass in a hurry changing lanes four times in less than a mile, going faster than everyone else, passing on the left, not using his blinker, and then dive bombing for his exit. And then when he gets pulled over he wonders why the police are picking on him.

Someone else here mentioned a while back that they got arrested for smoking in a public park. They were breaking a local law - which was most likely set up because local residents were tiered of gangs of people smoking while they were jogging or playing with their kids or whatever - and when cops approached them instead of saying "sorry" and quickly putting out the smokes they were dicks, refusing to put it out, saying it was their park, they had rights, and then refusing to hand over ID. They hauled into jail for a few hours.

Cops just want to do their job and go home without shot.

Treat a cop like a dick, and you'll get the same back. Call him sir, put on your big boy pants, admit what you did, and take the punishment already.

i think this is the most compelling argument for owning a semi auto gun.
there was a story yesterday on NPR, it was related to a chinese immigrant who was at a pro gun rally. He was seriously affected by the tyranny by the police in china, the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 where friends of friends were killed by police.
He bailed and came to US, now a strong proponent of the right to own a gun.
The argument is that if a suppressor is coming to your home to harass you or worse, IF you have arms, and the suppressor knows you have arms, they will think twice about breaking down that door. Put yourself in the shoes of the soldier, going to someones home who you know is armed, yeah right a lot more balls required compared to going to someones house who has no guns... any suppressor will think twice about picking a fight against someone who fights back.

Your government isn't going to become a tyranny you freak! No soldiers are gonna come for you!
Fuck man, you nutters live in one fucked up fantasy world.
Seriously it's biggest fucking retarded argument i ever heard for owning guns in the US.
How do you people get so fucking weird??

This shit is hilarious... :1orglaugh

it's no freedom when you have to live in fear that someone might take it away

Yeah and beyond retarded.
And they wonder why the rest of the world always makes fun of Americans.

I'm 41 this year, and my life of crime ended when I was 19. Like I said, I don't know how it works over there, but the last 3 times I've been stopped it's because the police 'thought I was going too fast'. I wasn't, any of the times - I accelerate fairly (but not overly) quick from a standing start to the speed limit, at that has been enough to get stopped each time. Even *if* I accelerated hard until I hit the limit, at no time am I ever going any faster than a person driving within the limit, who didn't hit a red light/etc. It's the reason it annoys me more than being stopped for breaking the law or even being a dick - I've always took my punishment on the chin, and never have made any excuses nor whined when getting caught for my various offences I've actually committed, even way back 20 years ago. To get stopped because some egotistic cunt in a uniform with a wonder woman belt on 'thinks' you 'may' be going too fast is BS no matter how you dress it up, and I'll act a fucking dick every time it happens, just to piss them off. Petty, yes, but meh, my own ego kicks in and that's how it is.

No idea what the story about someone else had to do with my quote, or why you're telling me, but I stand by it - all old bill are power tripping fucksticks. Yes, we need them, of course we do, because they are the ones with the tools to do the job of catching criminals, but don't tell me ANY copper is some kind of nice guy - they are all, without exception, the opposite once they put on that uniform, and that goes for my personal friends in the force too.

if you are going to bring the discussion to 2nd grade school level with name calling and insults, i have nothing more to say to you.
if you can talk like an adult we can have a conversation.

No. You are right. They aren't coming for us. We are armed. To the teeth! So it is a nice little insurance policy against any such shenanigans. I would be more concerned in countries that make sure their population are little defenseless sheep. :thumbsup

Um...because haters gonna hate maybe? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sure, everybody is really just jealous :1orglaugh

There is nothing to discuss. You people live in a fucked up fantasy world of fear.

Yes, I'm afraid those people laughing are a little jealous. Losers hate winners. It's a natural law. Most of those laughing are on our payroll too so it is a little pathetic. We don't really care who laughs. Have you noticed? :)

But what you are missing is that you were most likely doing something wrong that you didn't even realize. You were right with the flow of traffic, but maybe you were tailgating a little bit too much or changing lanes too often or passing on the left. The police officer pulls you over and says "I pulled you over because you were speeding" because he doesn't want to get into a discussion about your poor driving habits.

My friend has been rear ended in his big truck four or five times in two years. He says "They rear ended me which means it's their fault". This was a while ago; He took me out for a drive. He's driving a big pick up truck, driving way too fast, tailgating, and then stopping short. He locked up his brakes twice in twenty minutes, which is more than I've locked my brakes in two years. The law says he's not at fault, but the truth is he's stopping short and when you do that people slam into you.

The best part... He doesn't think he's doing anything wrong.

I'm not saying I am a better driver than anyone here. I'm not. I am saying we all think we are better drivers than we are. And even when your driving is perfect, chances are you are still speeding. And sometimes it's just your unlucky day.

Please tell me, jealous of what exactly?

I think you should tell us what makes you so jealous that you feel the need to put America down? Nobody ever puts down things that are beneath them to feel better. Don't worry, we still love you. If anyone was to attack your country, guess who would come to the rescue? :winkwink:

What *you're* missing is that the guy is bored, needs some excitement, sees a flashy car, and thinks to himself 'flash cunt, I'll show him what's what'. No tailgating, no changing lanes, no nothing, other than having a nice car, and accelerating quickly to the speed limit. Copper doesn't understand I'm at no point breaking the limit, and thinks, because he is thrilled with spotting a potential nick, wahey - action! Then proceeds to give it bertie big bollocks, and takes umbrage when I give attitude back.

Again, boring irrelevant story for your 2nd paragraph. I'll admit I have an intense dislike of the old bill, and I'll also admit we need them, for obvious reasons. I'll also admit that I *know* I'm going to get stopped each time I accelerate up to the speed limit quicker than someone in a 1 litre car, and relish the confrontation just as much as the fuckstick pulling me over does. Probably makes me a bit of a dick, but it doesn't lessen them being dicks each and every time either. To use your own example, if I'm (or whoever) is a dick to them, they'll also be one. That goes both ways, and them being in uniform doesn't change the fact they are totally arrogant egotistical dicks to start with, nor does it mean they don't bring attitude and aren't looking for the confrontation more than the person they are stopping (in instances as I've described - sure, break the law and you deserve to get stopped, but even then they UPHOLD the law, they aren't 'the law' and don't need to be holier-than-thou 99% of the time).

Bottom line I guess is that you think they're superheros, I think they're a bunch of cunts who for the most part are glorified revenue collectors, so we'll (I'll) leave it at that, just felt like dipping into the thread in between tasks.

Just to add Rochard, and I don't mean this in a derogatory way at all, iirc you were in the military, and are used to taking orders/subservience. Again, not being derogatory (as I actually think you're a top guy, and enjoy almost all your posts, and agree with many of your viewpoints), but being spoken down to, barked at, or having anyone treat me as an inferior is something I handle very badly, which I'm aware is why my dislike of authority figures is probably deeper than most people's. I just can't stand someone thinking they are 'above' me or anyone else because they are bigger/older/richer/in a uniform/etc :thumbsup

It's the question itself that's flawed.

It asks why we "need" to posses these guns.

That's just like asking us to prove that we have a "need" to vote, to speak freely, to have the privacy in our homes respected, to practice our own religion.

It's not a "Bill of Needs". It's a Bill of Rights.

If you don't think much of our right to have firearms, take it up with the Founding Fathers. The American Revolution began on the day when the British Army attempted a gun-grab at Lexington-Concord. That was enough of a threat to their freedom to mean war. And the weapons in question were not just sporting arms, but the military style assault rifles of the age. The concept behind the Second Amendment is broad enough to include self-defense, but it's really grounded on the idea that one of the best ways to keep government tyranny at bay is a well-armed citizenry, capable of revolt, that will keep the lawgivers on their toes.

If you don't like that, those Founding Fathers had enough foresight to imagine that changing conditions might require adjustments from time to time and they accommodated that, too. If you can convince 2/3 of both houses of Congress and 3/4 of the states, you can change the Bill of Rights and repeal the Second Amendment. Don't count on that happening any time soon. But hey, go knock yourself out trying. Don't be surprised if others grab your coat tails and try to repeal the First Amendment and the Fifth, Sixth and the Fourtheenth, claiming that all of them only protect criminals. (In fact they protect citizens, every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty, and when the rights of criminal suspects are taken away, the rights of every citizen go with them.)

Until you manage to amend the Constitution, we don't have to prove any need to vote, to speak freely, to worship God, to buy and sell porn - or to own, carry, and use an AR-15.

PS - Anyone looking to sell one in nice condition?

The right to own one. Blaaaaaah blaaah blaah. Another retarded argument from a nutter. You have the right to own a million things. Yet i don't see you buying them and going nuts over it. You have the right to buy a golden bowling ball. It's your right man! Your freedoms! Why don't you own one??

because it doesnt shoot bullets out of it. a bowling ball rolls on the ground. It doesnt put pressure on our government, and it doesnt protect us against true nutters. You ask idiotic questions. first you need to understand why people own, need, or simply enjoy them before you spout stupid shit. clearly many americans, id say most actually, trust their fellow people with weapons. besides the mentally ill (you), and people with a criminal background (possibly you)

Pressure on the government.
My god, you people are fucked up.
Goddamn American imbeciles. Unbelievable.

You dont know better, north koreans call us inbeciles for our ways. meanwhile you have access to only golden bowling balls