Yep, nothing wrong with public servants acting like animals, ROFL, really ?

Fantastic Article from my favorite magazine


http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/13/we...adult-conversa


We?re Not Going to Have an ?Adult Conversation? About State Violence, Are We?

Ed Krayewski|Feb. 13, 2013 7:11 pm

health of the stateFacebookMore than a week after first allegedly shooting the daughter of a police officer and her fiancée, the Christopher Dorner saga ended with him most likely burning up in a cabin in which he holed up this week. The police may have set the fire themselves. Another account has the police pushing Dorner back into the burning structure [8:34pm ET update]. Officially it?s still unclear how the fire began*. Nevertheless, at the end of it, three four people were killed by a former police officer out on a vendetta against his former police force. And the LAPD responded by coming down on the city of Los Angeles for a week, shooting seemingly indiscriminately at targets that bore only the vaguest resemblance to Dorner and searching homes door to door. Almost comically, Dorner?s alleged manifesto included strong anti-gun sentiments. It?s useful to note here that most attempts at gun control include generous exemptions both for law enforcement and often ex-law enforcement. Feinstein?s bill does that. There was widespread panic when Cuomo?s anti-gun laws in New York didn?t.

Yet, Dorner, and ex-cops, aren?t the only ones that can be irresponsible gun owners. Earlier this week the attorney general of Ohio released an animation depicting how 13 cops managed to fire off an astonishing 137 rounds in under 30 seconds into a car with two unarmed passengers they pursued in a high speed chase after a phantom gunshot was heard in another town. Facing a critical eye from state authorities, the local police chief defended his force, saying there was none of the systemic failure the attorney general noted, even though the shift supervisor, for example, was unaware the chase involved so many patrol cars. But Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams, the two unarmed civilians killed by police in Ohio, are far from the only ones. Reason?s Mike Riggs noted some of the most prominent victims of police violence when New York City?s mayor, Michael Bloomberg, arrogantly suggested police go on strike until the population is disarmed:

What about Kelly Thomas, who screamed for his father while five cops beat him to death? Or Patricia Cook, shot to death by a deranged alcoholic with a badge? Or Andrew Scott, killed during a wrong-door raid? Or Nick Christie, gagged and pepper-sprayed to death by prison guards? Or Seth Adams, shot four times by a cop behind his family business, then left to die? Or Wendell Allen, who was unarmed when a New Orleans cop shot and killed him during a raid? Or Ramarley Graham, the 18-year-old New Yorker shot and killed by plainclothes cops for trying to flush a small bag of marijuana down the toilet? Or Kyle Miller, killed by Colorado police for waving a BB gun in the air? Or Todd Blair, killed by Utah police for raising a golf club above his head?

That's a smattering of names from the last year or so. A complete list is impossible, though you could spend months culling names from local media outlets. It would be significantly longer if we included people who were shot, but didn't die; or people who were just shot at by cops. It would be exponentially longer if we included people who were beaten, intimidated, wrongly arrested/incarcerated, or otherwise abused by police officers.

Just a few months after Riggs wrote that, cops from the NYPD were involved in taking down a shooter at the Empire State Building. They shot more people in responding to the incident than the initial shooter. In fact, everyone but the coworker the shooter killed, was injured by shots from police officers.

At last night?s State of the Union address, President Obama suggested victims of gun violence deserve a vote in Congress. In the shadow of victims of state violence at home and abroad (up to 1,100 civilians and more than 200 children in known covert drone operations alone), the sentiment rings hollow. There won?t be votes for any of the victims of state violence listed above. And as for Dorner, he may not deserve much, but it looks like at the end he didn?t even deserve a jury trial.






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I but you the innocent owner of that home might not think it was a good idea to burn down everything he owns.

This is illegal, murder and intentional destruction of private property. They'll end up in shit for this.

What do you expect the police to do? This is a man that has killed multiple people, threatened others, kidnapped, car jacked, and just shot two officers.... Are you saying the police should have pulled back, giving him the chance to escape, so he could shoot two more people?

He could have surrendered at any time. Instead he kept shooting at police officers. Eventually the police bring in bigger and bigger weapons.

I guess we'll see it in the movie.

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Badly trained and itchy trigger fingered local cops, eager for some action/attention. With over 14,000 local agencies, so called "police officers" can run their own show and get away with it 99% of the time.

A private citizen who kills another man for DUI has just committed murder. A police officer who kills a suspect while trying to arrest him during a gun battle is doing his job.

I posted about this when it happened and also posted a few extra links to audio where the cops clearly planned to burn the house down.

The media as usual isn't doing their job and they are just white washing this for the cops.

The links I posted yesterday when it happened..

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19477818&postcount=124

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https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19478601&postcount=150

There are a few others out there as well with bits and pieces of more info. When I was listening to the scanner there were over 10k other people listening at the same time. It was only 1 scanner on 1 site and there were several of these up with the same kind of numbers.

Lot of people heard what was going on, but the media will still bury it. At best it will be published on some back page blog or a less controversial headline a week or two later that doesn't rise an eyebrow.

The cops never intended to let him live. I can't say I blame them, but then again cops are not above the law and they should be held accountable. No one else can simply do what they want because they wanted to if it means breaking the law or a oath they took for public service.

He never intended to be taken alive and was going to take as many with him as possible on the way out. He got four.

quoted for childish nonsense...

There are a lot of people that do fucked up things and don't intend to be taken alive, yet many of them are still taken alive. Yet even still it's the cops job and sworn duty to live up to the oath they took to protect and serve.

It does not matter if they are after a killer, a rapist, bank robber or some guy that ran a stop light. They do not have a license to kill.

They didn't even give him 2 hours before they burnt the place down. The cops had the tactical advantage, had him sounded and had armored trucks around the cabin. Had they killed him at the start of the fire fight, so be it, but by this time they had clear control and he was not going anywhere.

I'm sorry it doesn't matter what the guy did he was contained and not going anywhere. They executed him.

They obviously firebombed him to shut him up. I saw the interview with the house owners who he took hostage. Do they want us to believe that 400+ cops could not handle 1 guy? Pathetic.

The hostage couple said he was very calm and told them repeatedly he would not harm them, he just wanted to clear his name. they also made sure it was known they were the ones who called in and not their housekeeper. lol. Sniffin for the reward I guess.

He was fired because he filed a complaint against a "Bro." An LAPD Bro. LAPD destroyed his career and Dorner wanted the record open and out there, to let people decide. LAPD and City of LA did not allow that to happen. This is based on the facts presented.
Community leaders are saying the LAPD is the same as when Gates left as Chief. Seems plausible. I am not defending a murderer. Just stating the facts, ma'am.

I bet screenwriters and pitch meetings all over Hollywood are in overdrive.

Sure seems by your post that you're defending him. If by facts, you mean Dorner's views in his manifesto, then yes, but there's already been contradictory evidence against things he said.

If only all the cops had guns then they could have defended themselves .....

Yeah, I did not mean to come off like that. Not the manifesto. NPR News, "This Way LA" in particular. they've had some interesting guests this week. Channel 5 with Micah Olman or whatever has been sensationalizing the whole thing. Tonight, Dorner was "terrorizing" the couple he tied up, near the end. Their own interviews contradict that. I guess what I hate is the media bullshit. I wish we could find out the simple truth about the whole thing. Won't happen.

Of course this is LA, where we have an ex-pedophile protecting cardinal off to Rome to pick the new pope.

They need lasers and nukes man. :winkwink:

Always remember. Pigs are Pigs.

and they did just that. You don't live anywhere close to what went down; I am glad he is out of the way. I am GLAD he is dead.


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Yep, because kicking mentally retarded people in the stomach should be totally acceptable behavior.

I suppose you are glad that happened to?


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