its headed there even with these awesome laws. When youre in a good place minimum wage and excessive benefits make sense. $30 an hour to put screws into a GM car makes sense. when your country is falling apart and Mexicans and the Chinese are making a killing it means you need to rewind some shit. yes no maybe so?

YOU know how to run a business. I always did seem to love your posts. I can't imagine what it must cost you to provide all of those bennies for everyone, though. It makes me scared and afraid to imagine!! That said, in your place I'd do the same thing. I believe in taking care of people who take care of me. I always did.

I've never been on your level but I was partnered up with this guy one time and he always hired cheap idiots. One of them tried to run off with a truck, some never showed up, still others did the opposite of what he told them, no one did any work. I hired a couple of morons for TWO MORE DOLLARS per hour and actually found some real work.

Then after they worked their asses off for us I gave them an extra $50 and some beer and cigarettes. By the time I was done, sure I was paying them $14 vs. the $7 my partner always tried to pay people but we were making thousands more and we didn't have to do everything ourselves. Plus- those men would have m*rdered someone for me

My father taught me that. The black people in neighborhoods he was working didn't receive white people well, at all. What does my father do? He hires some of the biggest blackest guys he can find and he takes GOOD care of them. By the time he's done he's making a god damned fortune and his men were loyal like you would not believe. So instead of being bitter about black people don't like me, he ends up finding out how loyal they are to people who don't fuck them over

Turning a bad situation into good is not always impossible and greed is never profitable. These business that don't take care of people never get anywhere - except for mega corporations which have cooperation of the government (they get to be unstoppable)

muh freedoms! get real, the constitution while a great thing is old and of course a lot of things that we need to protect the world we live in are not in it. and i am not talking about minimum wage but a million other things. the idea that you want 'freedom and the consitution' is such a simple statement that you clearly did not think it through.

you dont have to. and they dont. thats why when you call microsoft support you talk to an indian. i mean really

we cant even protect the constitution how are we going to protect something reworded. are you serious. lay out what needs to be done blackcrayon

Not if you call in for an Xcube system
My sister works tech support for those idiots
She's not indian and her IQ is over 170 and she is completely white.

Clueless as always.

i am not saying it needs to be re-worded, just that rebel23's idea of all we need is 'freedom and the constitution' is just a sound bite that isn't thought out.

That's VERY true and only gets worse when the people running a business are not the people who built the business. It's also exactly the reason why things like minimum wage are so important. You'd have a hard time finding any business with an actively engaged owner paying people under $9.00 per hour... this law isn't about them. It's about the bean counters in a central management accounting department who think paying $6.25 would look good on a spreadsheet and get them a promotion at a meeting about quarterly profits.

This :thumbsup

people talked 300 years ago about what we're talking about. they were there, done that, many times over at that point. They may have not witnessed modern society, but the basics still apply. freedom of speech, freedom of religion, we all see these thing threatened even today. freedom to own firearms. we see this perfectly written constitution threatened, and they knew this would happen 300 years ago. the only, THE ONLY way to protect all these rights is with force, OR the threat of force. its unfortunate but you should accept that this is how it is

Between 1790 and 1913 America became the richest country in the world despite a bloody civil war. Since then America's wealth and share of world trade has been steadily declining thanks to all the stupid laws and liberalism. Yes, the constitution is old but its worked before in producing growth and prosperity like never seen before and can work again if American's embrace it and roll back the regulations and taxes.

The only thing the min. wage does is destroy jobs and opportunities by fixing the cost of labor at an artificially high price deemed whatever a politician wants.

There are plenty of businesses who might employ some of the MILLIONS of unemployed for $6-7/hour if they could and what would be the harm in that? Is having them on welfare, bankrupting the country and doing nothing better? You do know that there is a 1 trillion deficit and a 16.4 trillion national debt and 12 million unemployed dont you?

Now is not the time for silly laws that fix the cost of labor, now is the time to repeal them!

Abolish the Minimum wage!

$9.50 is easily within the range of still needing food stamps.
So while better than minimum wage. It's still very probable that some of your employees are in need of additional government assistance.

I wanted to add something. Why would I pay you $30 an hour when I could pay an Indian $5 an hour and make their life great? I dont care if I need to do that because my business needs it. (many do in the US btw). thats besides the point. Why the hell would I pay you say $10 min wage, plus government required benefits, preventing other positions because i cant afford to pay another $10 an hour + benefits thus keeping another American unemployed, when i can pay another human being less, and offer more opportunities to others. I dont even own a business on that level, but that thought is absolutely retarded. Can anyone explain, please

Hey you are right there is nothing about wages in the Constitution, so why do you think it's against the Constitution to require a min wage? Where have your rights been violated?

You have the choice to hire employees or not, if you choose to then you have to follow state & federal wage laws & workers rights regulations. End of story.

You don't have to pay me $30 dollars and hour. You are free to hire a Indian for 5 cents hour is you can get away with it. You just can't do it in the US or any country that has min wage requirements.

then the jobs will move. its as simple as that. You can pay a mexican $4 an hour and there are plenty looking for work. The point is, no one has to pay americans this excessive amount of pay and benefit, and youd have to be an idiot to do so. AND, thats exactly whats happening

Yeah
Maybe
But I guarantee you that if I go and work for this Minte and I wanted to do better than living dying @ $9.50, he'd give me that chance if I wasn't a complete fuck up. Why in the name of christ walking on the moon should anyone be FORCED to pay someone more than they're willing to accept- ever? If people HAD TO BE WORTH A FUCK, they'd make more and actually do something. People right now can show up, manage to not fall asleep for eight hours and walk out with enough to exist on.

No, but you can hire some morons who aren't even here. Then the money doesn't stay here, at all. Attacking the problem from the side of "let's pay idiots more" will NEVER work. When you attack it from the angle of "let's get these crooked rapists out of government and dismantle these mega corporations" you might get somewhere.

I'm not saying get rid of capitalism. I'm saying get the god damned government the fuck out of capitalizing on us and raping us.

Of course the masses support mega corporations and slave for them and they bow down to their government (hell I think the gov could rape these idiots in the streets and they'd take it) so forget any real change happening

No one is forcing you to pay anything. You have the choice to hire someone or not. If you don't like paying min wage then do it your self or move somewhere that doesn't have a min wage.

My guess is you have never hired a hourly worker in your life or ran a business that needed them. I can tell you from experience I would much rather pay more for someone whom does the job right, shows up for work everyday, than deal with the head ache of no shows, shitty attitude and half ass work that comes from paying low wages.

Of course you have never had to deal with these problems which is pretty obvious, other wise you would understand that time = money and saving a few dollars on lower wages usually means more lost money due to under production.

Besides that $9/hr is mouth breather wages, no one that is worth a shit is going to work for that anyway. The Free Market has already spoken, because any decent worker in the US can almost certainly find a job well above min wage. Meaning your argument is mute at best..

Mexicans are hard workers! For a few bucks under the table they will do twice the job as someone who feels they are comfortable. As I said, you are correct no one has to pay nor accept whats offered. and thats why everything is made in china, and if you need tech support they will be Indian. I cant believe the logic, when thats actually how life is happening right now. youre oblivious.

work is worth what people are willing to do it for. youre willing to do it for $30 an hour. good luck bro

[QUOTE=bl4h;19484422]Mexicans are hard workers! For a few bucks under the table they will do twice the job as someone who feels they are comfortable. As I said, you are correct no one has to pay nor accept whats offered. and thats why everything is made in china, and if you need tech support they will be Indian. I cant believe the logic, when thats actually how life is happening right now. youre oblivious.

messed up

Mexicans work for low wages because 99.9% of the time they can't speak English and are here illegally. Also low wage/ illegals aren't very hard workers. They are just willing to do shitty jobs that no one wants because they know it keeps them under the radar. They do just enough to keep their jobs, but you won't find many illegals that are over achievers if you pay them shit. If you pay them well then they tend to work better just like anyone else.

Also they send most of their money back home to their families.. IE money leaves the country.

Perfect. Instead of sending the message that minimum wage is not the goal and that you're supposed to be working and striving for more - we're now making a 17 year old McDonalds employee the victim and telling him he should be a career burger flipper.

America - Fuck Yeah!!

There is no "yeah maybe" It's true.
For a family of three, the poverty line in federal fiscal year 2013 is $1,591 a month. Thus, 130 percent of the poverty line for a three-person family is $2,069 a month, or $24,828 a year.
$9.50/hr is $19,760/yr. Well under the $24k line it takes to get approved for food stamps.
$11.75/hr is still low enough to qualify for foodstamps.

I'm not saying anyone needs to be forced to pay anyone any amount of money.
I was just pointing out that Minte said "I hope no one in our organization needs government assistance."

This kind of thinking seems to me that he's naive to the struggles of people at that level of income. That's all.

Bell Canada outsourced their customer support to india. I switched over to rogers because I was sick and tired of speaking to someone that could not speak english.

I read somewhere to be above poverty the minimum wage/pay must be above $14/hr

Some companies would take advantage of no minimum wage. In South Florida wages are much lower than the rest of the country overall. My boyfriend interviewed at jobs where they wanted 5+ years experience with SQL/.Net and were paying $25-30/hr

Costco pay their employees almost full benefits and $16.75/hr or there about, and have the lowest turnover rate. It's owner/ceo even came out in favor of Obamacare.

$14/hr is probably right if it's a family of 4.

I don't know how a company can "take advantage" I mean if you don't want to work for $4/hr. Don't apply for the job...

Those children didn't have better options in those times. They were starving and dying because of poverty and there are some places in the world even today that have children in similar conditions and prohibiting their option for work means slow death for them.

so what? you expect americans to start accepting lower wages as the new norm so we can become like third world nations living in shanty villages? inflation is constantly making the prices of food, clothes, everything go up yet wages are not increasing at anywhere near the same rate. so now not only are most americans suffering due to the lack of wage increases in the face of rising inflation but now people like yourself want to get rid of the minimum wage so people make even less. where is the logic in that?

Shut up your fucking mouth, tough guy
You're such a big fuckin' deal now, right?


Read what I posted:


I was partnered up with this guy one time and he always hired cheap idiots. One of them tried to run off with a truck, some never showed up, still others did the opposite of what he told them, no one did any work. I hired a couple of morons for TWO MORE DOLLARS per hour and actually found some real work.

Then after they worked their asses off for us I gave them an extra $50 and some beer and cigarettes. By the time I was done, sure I was paying them $14 vs. the $7 my partner always tried to pay people but we were making thousands more and we didn't have to do everything ourselves. Plus- those men would have m*rdered someone for me

Well he can't pay them all 50k and stay in business, either, you know?
Trying to compete in any business- especially when you're producing something- especially when you're buying americans can NOT be easy to pull off

It's coming to that because everyone is so braindead
Raising the minimum wage will make it happen sooner

australia $16 min wage and 5% percent unemployment. Im reading history and they said the same things, when they made child labor illegal in america.

Also employees get Employer contributed superannuation and workers compensation insurance, generous holiday loadings and allowances on top of the minimum wage here.

Nope, you are not overhead. You are the one (ones) that make the money by organizing it, by getting contracts, by selling what labor makes and so on. You are the most important part in making money, labor is less important.

Wyoming only 5.15$, thats way bellow any other state. Whats going on there, do they have benefits of that, like attracting businesses because of low wage?
This number 5.15$ is really out of line, whats the story behind it?

I would also guess a house you can buy for $80K would be 3.5 million in Phoenix or New York.
Same with all the other things...