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2MuchMark 02-19-2013 12:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nookster (Post 19487791)
Flash is absolutely dead. Adobe has officially stated they are no longer developing it as a matter of fact. HTML5 + JS is where it's at now. :2 cents:
Adobe did not state this.

2MuchMark 02-19-2013 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by pstation (Post 19488130)
except that flash has been discontinued for Android as well for quite some time now
Flash isn't going away.

A long while back now they said they were going to discontinue delivering Flash via the browser plugin for mobile devices, and instead concentrate on delivering Flash via AIR for mobile devices, which is more "App"-like behavior.

So Flash isn't going away on mobile devices, it's just delivered using a different mechanism on mobile devices, which is better and more consistent.

digitaldivas 02-19-2013 12:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vvvvv (Post 19487878)
Flash is very alive... My surfers love it. Especially Android ones which out number iPhones anyway.

I never gave two shits about broke ass people with 800x600 screen resolutions that made up 5% of my traffic and 1% of my sales.

I don't give two shits about iPhone morons that make up 3% of my traffic even if they were going to bring in 5% more sales. They would have created 100% more work to worry about their dumb asses.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:helpme

Antonio 02-19-2013 12:48 PM
flash, Elvis, and Tupac are alive, piriod

digitaldivas 02-19-2013 12:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 19488389)
flash for video playing is still waaaay better then html5.
Are you kidding? No pixel artifacts, No render degradation, No tons of embed code, um, I dunno, i don't think it gets much simpler than

<video width="320" height="240" controls>
<source src="movie.mp4" type="video/mp4">
Your browser does not support the video tag.
</video>

70 percent of browsers are hmtl 5 ready, turnkey after download.

etc, etc, etc... :error

digitaldivas 02-19-2013 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19488432)
It's worth starting to transition to html5 if you can but from what I understand html5 is a PITA still due to different browser implementations and you still have to use flash as a fallback or else you are going to leave a significant number of users out in the cold. So right there clearly you can see that it isn't dead. In fact it is necessary.

It will be dead within two or three years of the time when > 99% of users can use HTML5 video but we're not there yet. There are many webmaster utilities out there which only use flash for video so that's going to keep it around for longer yet. Then people still use it for ads and other displays. My best guess is 3 more years for video, 5 more years for other things. Then after that you will see under 75% of users with flash installed in their browsers.

It always amazes me how many people talk a lot of bullshit about this topic. "Flash is dead" is a twilight zone type comment at this point in time.
incorrect, .ogg and .webm are preferred fallbacks according to WWC

pornmasta 02-19-2013 01:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakke PNG (Post 19488249)
You can do everything with HTML5 that you can with flash. :)
no: you can't make a single bundle that becomes viral like with flash.
It's harder to steal a html5 content and with flash it's easier, the problem is that sometimes it's useful that people spread your shit.
Since there is no other format that allow people to do that, flash is not dead.
And even then, the web is full of flash content and there is still a lot of fan of it.
In fact there is much more content in flash than content in HTML5, so again: flash is not dead and probably never will.
Is amiga dead ? well, it's no more used but there is still games and fans of them. It will happen the same with flash.

stinkyfingers 02-19-2013 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Honcho (Post 19487799)
:1orglaugh .

Steve Jobs is burning in hell. nobody there cares either ........

signupdamnit 02-19-2013 01:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by digitaldivas (Post 19489218)
incorrect, .ogg and .webm are preferred fallbacks according to WWC
Hmmm. Are those fallbacks all working on Firefox 3.0+ and IE 7.0+ though? If not then that means losing viewers where flash would still work.

StinkyPink 02-20-2013 08:29 AM
I can see that putting the "video" element aside for a minute... most folks replying in this thread are unaware of what HTML5+CSS3+JS can do.

pornmasta 02-20-2013 08:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkyPink (Post 19490616)
I can see that putting the "video" element aside for a minute... most folks replying in this thread are unaware of what HTML5+CSS3+JS can do.
- give me a good WYSIWYG editor for HTML5 like for flash
- tell me how the merge all the files (.js + .html + .css) in one single and easy-to-handle bundle (like .swf)

Then ok, flash can die.
If the games creators continue to code in flash because it's more convenient, then flash can't die.
A file format dies because people stop to use it.

StinkyPink 02-20-2013 10:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19490670)
- give me a good WYSIWYG editor for HTML5 like for flash
Adobe Edge Animate?

Quote:
Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19490670)
- tell me how the merge all the files (.js + .html + .css) in one single and easy-to-handle bundle (like .swf)
Dunno about this, nor the need unless you plan on playing the game on a platform other than a browser or a mobile app.


SURE!
There is still a reason to USE it for creating whatever as there are still various players that support it.

YES!
It may not be dead.

BUT!
It is very far from ALIVE!

StinkyPink 02-20-2013 10:32 AM
ALSO....

Adobe Flash Pro from CS6 has the option to export your creations in HTML5/CSS3 output. ;)

pornmasta 02-20-2013 10:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkyPink (Post 19490845)
ALSO....

Adobe Flash Pro from CS6 has the option to export your creations in HTML5/CSS3 output. ;)
yeah use adobe flash to export to HTML5... :winkwink:

Quote:
"Dunno about this, nor the need unless you plan on playing the game on a platform other than a browser or a mobile app."
... what is of course... impossible ? :winkwink:

StinkyPink 02-20-2013 10:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19490881)
... what is of course... impossible ? :winkwink:
Not really. Many media players (not JUST standalone swf or flash players) will play flash files.

pornmasta 02-20-2013 11:00 AM
well irfanview can play flash files. But in this case, flash is still useful for something that you can't do well with html5.

Far-L 02-20-2013 11:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by facialfreak (Post 19488265)
you saw that too huh Mitch? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh


Hey vvvvvv .... feel free to 301 redirect any of your iOS traffic to me ... I'll take it off your hands. :thumbsup
Damn...you beat me to it.

Jaeger 02-20-2013 12:00 PM
i never used flash, i always hated it... it was always dead to me. cluncky, over resource using piece of shit that it is...

yuu.design 02-20-2013 01:11 PM
i hope so


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