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slapass 02-20-2013 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19491174)
they want a database of all legal gun owners in states along their borders

This is a translation of what they want - "PRI Senator Marcela Guerra presented the proposal, which aims at the time that these weapons are used in a violent act, you can know precisely the name of the person who originally purchased the armory."

It seems if a firearm was legally bought in the US and used in a crime in Mexico that we could help trace the ownership of that gun. Fuck, I thought we did that now. Why wouldn't we do this?

brassmonkey 02-20-2013 04:48 PM

this is a money maker if passed

Joe Obenberger 02-20-2013 04:58 PM

Yeah, well, the history of Mexico rarely shows any indication of much respect for individual rights.

Generations of immigrants coming into New York harbor were greeted with a beacon here that personified the spirit of Liberty - and that tells the tale.

We don't maintain any federal registry of gun owners at large. When plans for that emerge, it will seriously undercut the principle behind the Second Amendment - that a well-armed body of citizens keeps the government on its toes and acts to prevent tyanny.

Delighted to report that last weekend, another lawyer and I held a meeting to establish The Second Amendment Lawyer's Association. We hope to work aggressively to defend gun rights.

Rochard 02-20-2013 05:13 PM

Let's do this!

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19489676)
Never mind Obama gave guns to Mexico's drug cartel that they want to take away from Legal Gun Owners in the US, check this shit out!!!

Amazing how you turn everything into Obama's fault.

The Republican party lost. Badly. Twice. To a black man. That pretty shows you exactly how bad the Republican party has become.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19489676)

Washington state wants to ban sales assault weapons.

And? Wouldn't be the first time.

I have three assault rifles here in my house. WTF? The same exact weapon I trained with for four years in the US Marines. This cracks me the fuck up. Anyone can own an assault rifle. That's funny already.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19489676)
To show how little people that are against guns know about them, it's a Magazine, not a clip page 3, line 9

I grew up calling it a clip. Now that I think about it, even in the Marines we called it a clip.

Wikipedia says: The detachable magazine is often controversially referred to as a clip or mag.

You call it tomato, I call it tamoto.

Your point?

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19489676)
They are pretty broad about what an assault weapon is, even a 9mm pistol with a 15 round clip is an assault weapon?

I'm sorry, when you say clip, you mean magazine, RIGHT?

No one said a 9mm pistol is an assault rifle. The article seems to be about assault rifles, handguns, antique rifles.... However, a 9mm pistol with 15 round clip is a bit of over kill for self defense, isn't it? At a certain point you can argue that a firearm is no longer about self defense, and is more of an assault weapon.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19489676)

keep our guns to protect us from these idiots

People scare the fuck out of me. The main road outside of my house is shut down for repairs, and while out on my run this morning I saw a thirty year old man who not only blew right through the stop sign, but slide right into a temporary barrier.

You want to be saved by "these idiots" and then.... Turn around and arm the idiots who can't see the road closed signs, the stop sign, OR FORTY FEET OF WHITE AND ORANGE BARRIERS?

Rochard 02-20-2013 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lester Burnham (Post 19489689)
But the paranoia has its benefits. I bought Ruger after Obama was elected. Up 10% and they issued a HUGE dividend (9% or so). :thumbsup

Seems like the NRA has done it's job and earned it's pay. Firearms are flying off the shelves, every other retard is now armed, and none of us can buy ammo.

Win win for everyone.

Rochard 02-20-2013 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 19491023)

Holy shit that turns me on.

Rochard 02-20-2013 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DTK (Post 19489762)
Current polling data of NRA members in terms of some the gun control initiatives being proposed. Long and short, even rank and file NRA members strongly support basic gun control like background checks. And last I checked, the NRA wasn't exactly a hotbed of liberalism:1orglaugh
  • 1. Requiring criminal background checks on gun owners and gun shop employees. 82 percent of all gun owners and 74 percent of NRA gun owners support the former, and 80 percent and 79 percent, respectively, endorse the latter.
  • 2. Prohibiting terrorist watch list members from acquiring guns. Support ranges from 80 percent among non-NRA gun-owners to 71 percent among NRA members.
  • 3. Mandating that gun-owners tell the police when their gun is stolen. 71 percent non-NRA gun-owners support this measure, as do 64 percent of NRA members.
  • 4. Concealed carry permits should only be restricted to individuals who have completed a safety training course and are 21 and older. 84 percent of non-NRA and 74 percent of NRA member gun-owners support the safety training restriction, and the numbers are 74 percent and 63 percent for the age restriction.
  • 5.Concealed carry permits shouldn?t be given to perpetrators of violent misdemeanors or individuals arrested for domestic violence. The NRA/non-NRA gun-owner split on these issues is 81 percent and 75 percent in favor of the violent misdemeanors provision and 78 percent/68 percent in favor of the domestic violence restriction.
The poll, which sampled 945 gun owners around the country and had a margin of error of +/- 3, also found broad support gun-owners for the principle that ?support for 2nd Amendment rights goes hand-in-hand with keeping illegal guns out of the hands of criminals.? In fact, more NRA members (87 percent) supported the statement than non-NRA members (83 percent).


imo, NRA leadership doesn't care because they're in the bag for the gun manufacturers. Gotta keep sellin' guns, gotta keep gettin' paid.

Background checks need to further. Seems to me right now all they are doing is checking for criminal background. We need mental health checks.

You also said....

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Concealed carry permits shouldn?t be given to perpetrators of violent misdemeanors or individuals arrested for domestic violence.
Um, these people shouldn't have firearms at all. Period.

ajrocks 02-20-2013 07:04 PM

You guys don't even know the meaning of Liberal. Check out our Canadian government, there is a guy on trial right now that was having his store robbed. He defending himself and store with a stick dipped in some Indian spices. He's been charge for using a dangerous weapon similar to mace....

Vendzilla 02-20-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19491680)
Let's do this!



Amazing how you turn everything into Obama's fault.

Not everything
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The Republican party lost. Badly. Twice. To a black man. That pretty shows you exactly how bad the Republican party has become.
Race card, seriously?

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And? Wouldn't be the first time.

I have three assault rifles here in my house. WTF? The same exact weapon I trained with for four years in the US Marines. This cracks me the fuck up. Anyone can own an assault rifle. That's funny already.




I grew up calling it a clip. Now that I think about it, even in the Marines we called it a clip.

Wikipedia says: The detachable magazine is often controversially referred to as a clip or mag.

You call it tomato, I call it tamoto.

Your point?



I'm sorry, when you say clip, you mean magazine, RIGHT?

No one said a 9mm pistol is an assault rifle. The article seems to be about assault rifles, handguns, antique rifles.... However, a 9mm pistol with 15 round clip is a bit of over kill for self defense, isn't it? At a certain point you can argue that a firearm is no longer about self defense, and is more of an assault weapon.



People scare the fuck out of me. The main road outside of my house is shut down for repairs, and while out on my run this morning I saw a thirty year old man who not only blew right through the stop sign, but slide right into a temporary barrier.

You want to be saved by "these idiots" and then.... Turn around and arm the idiots who can't see the road closed signs, the stop sign, OR FORTY FEET OF WHITE AND ORANGE BARRIERS?
These idiots want people to attack people with guns using ink pens, what do you call them?

You've never dealt with the law much, by calling it two different things in the bill, makes it's a problem, they have to be referred to as the same thing

stinkyfingers 02-20-2013 09:05 PM


Rochard 02-20-2013 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19492028)
Not everything

You blame everything on Obama. You have become well known for doing this.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19492028)
Race card, seriously?

Yes, I went there.

The Republican party has completely lost it. We had four years of a lukewarm Obama who barely kept us standing and the best the Republican party had was a former governor who left office with a 34% rating? WTF was the Republican party thinking?

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19492028)
Not everything
You've never dealt with the law much, by calling it two different things in the bill, makes it's a problem, they have to be referred to as the same thing

I didn't read the bill and honestly don't care.

2013 02-20-2013 10:39 PM

George W. Bush ruined us.

stinkyfingers 02-22-2013 03:22 PM

Comrades, Turn In Your Weapons!

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/ima...0213poster.jpg

bronco67 02-22-2013 03:25 PM

If crazy means "having common sense", then call them crazy.

Yanks_Todd 02-22-2013 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DTK (Post 19489762)
Current polling data of NRA members in terms of some the gun control initiatives being proposed. Long and short, even rank and file NRA members strongly support basic gun control like background checks. And last I checked, the NRA wasn't exactly a hotbed of liberalism:1orglaugh
  • 1. Requiring criminal background checks on gun owners and gun shop employees. 82 percent of all gun owners and 74 percent of NRA gun owners support the former, and 80 percent and 79 percent, respectively, endorse the latter.
  • 2. Prohibiting terrorist watch list members from acquiring guns. Support ranges from 80 percent among non-NRA gun-owners to 71 percent among NRA members.
  • 3. Mandating that gun-owners tell the police when their gun is stolen. 71 percent non-NRA gun-owners support this measure, as do 64 percent of NRA members.
  • 4. Concealed carry permits should only be restricted to individuals who have completed a safety training course and are 21 and older. 84 percent of non-NRA and 74 percent of NRA member gun-owners support the safety training restriction, and the numbers are 74 percent and 63 percent for the age restriction.
  • 5.Concealed carry permits shouldn?t be given to perpetrators of violent misdemeanors or individuals arrested for domestic violence. The NRA/non-NRA gun-owner split on these issues is 81 percent and 75 percent in favor of the violent misdemeanors provision and 78 percent/68 percent in favor of the domestic violence restriction.
The poll, which sampled 945 gun owners around the country and had a margin of error of +/- 3, also found broad support gun-owners for the principle that ?support for 2nd Amendment rights goes hand-in-hand with keeping illegal guns out of the hands of criminals.? In fact, more NRA members (87 percent) supported the statement than non-NRA members (83 percent).


imo, NRA leadership doesn't care because they're in the bag for the gun manufacturers. Gotta keep sellin' guns, gotta keep gettin' paid.

Is there a link for this? What is he source? It's interesting data and I believe it.

Yanks_Todd 02-22-2013 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19489823)

California already makes you take a class to get a carry permit.
California already has a background check.
California already makes you take a safety course unless you have a DD214 to buy a gun

Does CA = USA?

DTK 02-22-2013 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd (Post 19495851)
Is there a link for this? What is he source? It's interesting data and I believe it.

Here ya go

And before certain people shoot the source (because the poll doesn't agree with what they are told to believe), here's a quote from the article:

The Luntz findings are in line with previous research showing that Americans are nearly unanimous in their support for closing loopholes that allow dangerous people to buy firearms without a background check. A January 2011 poll conducted for Mayors Against Illegal Guns by the bipartisan polling team of Momentum Analysis and American Viewpoint found that 86 percent of Americans and 81 percent of gun owners support requiring all gun buyers to pass a background check, no matter where they buy a gun or who they but it from.

SleazyDream 02-22-2013 10:23 PM

why does every gun nut think banning handguns and semi auto means the en of guns.

no one wants to take your bolt, lever and pump action rifles and shotguns away

DTK 02-22-2013 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 19496280)
why does every gun nut think banning handguns and semi auto means the end of guns.

because the screaming heads they listen to tell them so. emperor blackenstein is coming to take all their guns away

DTK 02-22-2013 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DTK (Post 19496293)
because the screaming heads they listen to tell them so. emperor blackenstein is coming to take all their guns away

btw SD, banning handguns isn't part of any current proposals. not hassling, just clarifying.

SleazyDream 02-23-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DTK (Post 19496341)
btw SD, banning handguns isn't part of any current proposals. not hassling, just clarifying.

i know, they should be though. Handguns are the real gun problem. The assault rifle thing statistically is bullshit. I'm against them mostly cause I just honestly believe there is no real need for them and I hate seeing idiots with something deadly in their hands.


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