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You can't bring the poor out of prosperity by punishing the rich. Slicing the pie into more pieces doesn't result in more wealth. Potential wealth is infinite. There are universal laws of cause and effect. The most effective way to bring people out of poverty is to discover those principles and follow them. "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime". Plus you aren't robbing someone else of fish that they worked hard for and justly deserve to keep. Quote:
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Slaves were beaten, starved, raped, and didn't have any freedom. I don't see how offering someone a job for less than minimum wage is worst than that. They can always refused and even if they accept, they still aren't beaten, starved, etc, and they still have freedom to leave and find something better. Quote:
My definition of civilized is a society in which people are free to do what they want as long as they don't harm anyone else. Offering someone a job, no matter what the salary is, doesn't count as harm in my book. |
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Corporate profits are at historic highs. Productivity is way up. But the workers are have been getting fucked. They don't have money to buy shit, so there is no demand. So there's no hiring. Wages haven?t kept pace with recovery, study finds http://www.boston.com/business/artic...y_study_finds/ The minimum wage needs to rise. |
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And even THAT is too much sometimes: Quote:
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Here's another newsflash...we already are seeing the dollar devalued and buying less and less. Now we devalue it again with another minimum wage hike, BUT we can't really raise our prices on our porn memberships (thank you piracy). So now I will make the same amount of money (as will all the people who already have jobs and make more than minimum wage), but it will buy even LESS than before. Is there a giant "Reset" button where we could start the U.S. economy over? lol |
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The system makes the rewards totally out of proportion to the contribution to society. eg facebook makes more money then new medical procedure. All wealth is produced by work. Wealth is produced by groups of people working in society. No person can make a million on his own, (try it on an island ). Socialist want to distribute wealth fairly to all those who create it. In your society people are free to starve, that is freedom capitalism gives you. |
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Demand assumes the consumer HAS the means. When people have no money, there is no demand. |
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#1. Some people ARE "forced to work there" because there isn't anything else available to them. There are millions in that situation. #2. The economy relies on people being able to afford to buy shit! The economy is sluggish. People buying shit will help the recovery. When people get a raise, they have more $$$ to spend - and when poor people get a raise, nearly all that money goes back into the economy, because they need things, (and of course they don't have offshore tax shelters to jam the money into like the rich do). The corporations are hoarding cash. Cash that should be circulating. The $5 Trillion Stash: U.S. Corporations' Money Hoard Is Bigger Than the GDP of Germany http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...ermany/260006/ We need to raise the minimum wage. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_e3gDaHO8VL...economists.jpg |
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Go back to sleep. |
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They want blacks removed from welfare. When confronted with the question of where they will find work, Republicans want the minimum wage abolished so that multiple blacks can be hired to fill one current salary spot. That, in their minds, will finally rise the south to power. |
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Wages haven?t kept pace with recovery, study finds The stock market is improving. Corporate profits are up dramatically. But workers? wages don?t seem to be rising, a study finds. http://www.boston.com/business/artic...y_study_finds/ Real Wages Fail to Match a Rise in Productivity http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/28/bu...anted=all&_r=0 Corporate profits hit record as wages get squeezed http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/03/news...its/index.html http://dudelol.com/img/chris-rock-on-minimum-wage..jpeg |
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Answer: They can't of course. They don't have what it takes to do that kind of thing. All they want is a nice paycheck and tons of benefits with no risk of losing their ass. You do realize that there is a reason that there are winners and losers in this world right? And it isn't your stupid examples of Paris Hilton. She doesn't have anything to do with your theories. Nope...it's guys in the "evil" corporate chain. Guys who started off as regular guys in a company and were such bad asses that they outworked everyone around them and rose up the corporate chain. Years later they make the big bucks. While the less ambitious majority who are working for the weekend so they can drink beer...they get left behind. No GrantMercury...for every person "born" into wealth, there are a hundred thousand corporate execs who worked their way through the ranks. Not everything at the top IS cream. But the cream always does rise to the top. And people with the mindset that you seem to have...always are at the bottom. You seem to advocate the theory that everybody owes you something. As Jackson Browne once sang: "Nobody owes you NOTHING." |
Maybe if Sweet Baby Jesus Obama would wise the fuck up everybody could be making good salaries from energy jobs.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/28/pf/n...jobs/index.htm That was from late 2011. I just heard on the news today that employees at Walmart there are getting starting salaries of $17.50 an hour. Fuck your "rising tide". North Dakota is proof of Trickle Down in full effect. Loser. |
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We don't workers go and do it for themselves? They do not have access to land, machinery or start up capital, they also are real people in a real situation, so they are peasants thrown of the land and forced in to cities, where forced by hunger to take work in factories... When workers have had access to land, as in America and Australia that have done exactly what you suggest - started to work for themselves as farmers. In face capitalists did have problems getting workers to work in their factories in the beginning. Sadly Paris Hilton is the norm and the myth is what you seem to believe. Wealth stays in the same hands generation by generation. There is very little social mobility. The rich buy places for their offspring and keep the poor out of the best universities and jobs. But please google it and find out for yourself. |
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Additionally, most "workers" do not bother to see the TRUE COST of their employment. It is not in their McJob paycheck. But we'll play along in shadowboxing game. Let's say a worker makes $500.00 a week. They get full health benefits. Depending on their age, that is another $100-300.00/month for them. Include their family, now we're up to $500.00+ provided by the employer as a value add benefit. Let's add in a few weeks of paid vacation and sick time. That's another grand a year based on two weeks of paid leave. How about that Xmas bonus? Oh and let's not forget matching taxes, disability, unemployment and all of the other fees that an employer has to pay or match for each person and pay to the state or federal government. Once you get done adding all of that up, you see the TRUE COST to an employer is much higher than their messily paychecks the worker bees earn at their McJob manning the fry-o-lator. :disgust |
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No need to raise the minimum wage artificially when the economy is roaring like it is in North Dakota. Economic forces do the job and raise the "minimum wage" naturally.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/28/pf/n...jobs/index.htm But Sweet Baby Jesus is obsessed with "green energy" sources that don't really work (yet) to fulfill our energy needs as a country. So he is doing everything he can to force fossil fuel prices UP so green energy looks more viable. The result is a crushing and painful blow to people already struggling in his shitty economy. Open the goddamn Keystone Pipeline and then Federal lands for drilling and watch the entire nation replicate what's going on in North Dakota. There is no reason for us to be buying oil from those crazy Muslim countries that want to kill us all. With new technology it turns out the the United States is perhaps the most oil rich country in the world. And the same for Natural Gas. Instead we keep paying top dollar to make people who hate us filthy rich while the answer to our energy problem AND the economy is literally right underneath us. |
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When does it end? :disgust |
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Why would you ever think that employees following orders are the ones who really build a company? It's simply not true. GOOD employees can definitely be an advantage to a company. So they get paid more. All I know is every guy that ever worked for me did what they had to to just get their job done. They didn't want to work weekends or late nights. Me? I work weekends, holidays, all day and all night. It's me with the pressure, risk, capital, etc. If the business owner goes down, he's screwed. The employee just goes to another job. But let's forget owners...and go back to what I said: Executives. Both you and GrantMercury have posted stats about the "overpaid" executives. But those guys started somewhere (at the bottom). And through higher intelligence, sacrifice, work ethic, etc. SURPASSED the average worker grunt and EARNED their way up the ladder. This is still the land of opportunity. And nobody is stopping people from working weekends, holidays, etc. for no pay just to move ahead in a company. But only a very, very few ever do. The rest just do their tasks and go home. |
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