:2 cents:

Tube sites + card scams + piracy + free porn = great sales!

no tube sites bring in lots of sales, they just don't bring you sales apparently...

Here are some highlights, they purport these to be direct translations from the ancient books

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.


anyway, all three major monotheist religions - Judaism,Christianity and Islam - should be thrown on the scrap heap of history as we evolve to something better than the savages, lunatics and ignorant from whom all this nonsense was hallucinated.

damn shady billing meets jew bibles
this is a strange thread

fuck off you piece of scumbag thief!

download, print and read The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
one of my best reading. ever.
once leaked a hundred of years ago it explains a lot what's happening now.

Now its just "No site configured at this address"

Running for the hills.

Your people? :1orglaugh You do not have any people. Stop saying that.
BTW, how's fire sale going? I hear you ebaying a bunch of shit. Car, couple of watches.
Broke? IRS?

Once the lambs had been slaughtered, and their entrails burned, the high priest whose face had four eyes, no nose, and spoke from two mouths, one with a snake's tongue and the other fanged, collected the wool and dressed the wolves whose mouths dripped blood so to make them as sheep that they might more easily prey upon the herd. He bid them to go, and to bring with them four curses, impotence, impatience, impracticality, and impossibility, and to carry salt instead of seed for the fields of pasture.

So take porn deviants with bad credit and cross sale them to little girls playing video games online at agamegirlz.com ? Seems like a great match.

I hope there is a chat room!

They sell the declined xsales to agamegirlz.com
since it's a non adult merchant the card might be accepted there if it get's declined for the porn xsales

Pretty smart but very shady.

Le sketch.

Blame Google. They only list shit videos now. You don't even have to host the videos tourself for Google to give you a good ranking. You can actually have a shit video, surround it with a hundred Plugrush thumbnails, and outrank a site that uses WORDS!

Allah Akbar

http://i.imgur.com/zKa586S.png

http://i.imgur.com/p7pdbGZ.png

http://i.imgur.com/0Tq0Hmo.png

http://i.imgur.com/bwreiZh.png

Top notch !

his team is working on it

That agamegirlz.com shit is pretty out there - The name even sounds like it should be an adult site....

That's close to being the worst scam I have seen in adult - I have seen nickel and dime stuff that is worse but this is seriously big and they will get away with it.

Refund every complaint and you have zero CBs - The banks are none the wiser - Amazing really.

somebody have been working hard on it, serious thievery from the beginning

how can they afford that??? that means they make more than $10,000 a day?? that would be insane, is that even possible???

lol - and the rest....

So the way this scumbag operates now is bogus mainstream sites as if someone really buys membership to play old flash games or membership to "elite" shopping service.

Here is more crap from 12 dicks :321GFY

www.agamegirlz.com
www.elitepersonalshopping.com
www.elitesalefinders.com
www.fictionforher.com
www.nobelshoppers.com
www.personaleliteshoppers.com
www.personalshoppingelite.com
www.ratedearcade.com
www.topchoiceshoppers.com
www.wanderingstories.com
www.familygamesite.com

Someone should report it.

But first make sure there's room in Sleazy's trailer park for 12clicks.

If there is any doubt in 12clicks involvement by anyone, click on "members list" and his username 12clicks is listed on page 1.

If you take it to the bank and all they do is ask 'Have you asked the merchant if they can help?' - You say no and they wont touch it until you do - They instantly do a refund and then you have nothing to complain about.....

The banks have their asses covered - That's the end of it....

and there is still cecash unlimited lifetime crap, dont forget to make deals they are active and waiting at webmaster shows. i always admire every work, but not scam on people

That is pretty much genius.

Is it legal according to Visa rules?

If it is legal to cross sale porn. not sure why mainstream wouldnt be legal.

Hey Tube Boy :321GFY

And eat some lizard shit while you're at it.
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read the whole website and it's credible - the wording is horrible in the Talmud, taken at face value it's a field day for those who like to demonize Jews. they won't be interested in reading the context those controversial statements belong to.

It is actually pretty common, and in quite a few cases, add a zero

Cross selling a kids game site with a porn membership? It's one of those things where something is legal, but everyone knows it's a bad thing. Kind of like a drug dealer selling a new kind of street drug that the government hasn't outlawed yet.

It would be nice if Visa/MC would prohibit cross sales of any kind where porn is involved. I think we all agree that while cross sales are legitimate if used responsibly, they are an overall black stain on the industry.

It's easy to think this doesn't affect you and just look the other way, but consider the following.

If your traffic was 1:400 several years ago and it's 1:700 today (figures vary, but everyone is significantly worse off), how much of that is aggressive billing practices? I'm not saying the +300 in this example is entirely cross sales. It's a combination of cross sales, piracy and the economy.

So let's just say hypothetically speaking that 25 of the +300 was caused by aggressive billing. That means the industry snakes have cost the average webmaster thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars. Remember that each time you see their names. They have cost you money.

They aren't just some entertaining forum screen name that you love to hate. These guys have taken money away from you and it hasn't been in a legitimate manner.

If a site has cross sales, don't promote it. If someone wants to buy traffic for a site with cross sales, don't sell them the traffic. Treat cross sales as if you were sending your traffic to a site with a virus. It could be years before Visa/MC or the government puts and end to high risk merchant account cross sales. It will happen eventually, but god only knows what our ratios will be come then.

Who would have thought it?

On the other hand, I doubt this is as successful as it sounds as most people won't recognize the name of the game site so they will claim their card was stolen. Add in that they will refund to protect their visa/mc account and I wonder if they do that well?

They don't need to protect their visa/mc accounts they've got hundreds on hand.

Gotcha, there are probably tons of details I do not know.

It has always amazed me that this is tolerated at all by Visa. Can you imagine checking out at Walmart and they throw some extra stuff in your bag and unless you bring it back, they charge you. This never made sense.

Not only is cross-selling a "family friendly" game site with a porn site a scumbag move...but anyone with a brain can clearly see what the object of all those bogus mainstream sites are and it's pretty fucked up.

If you guys knew how to do what 12clicks and others were doing you would be doing it to.

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in prison. All it would take is two or three people he pissed off in the past to fill out the FTC form or make a few complaints to VISA and he will be in a world of hurt one way or another. Hell even Gawker or The Consumerist might cover something like this because it's that outrageous.

Translation: 12clicks or those involved in this ring buys traffic from us, so I better get in here and stick up for him.

Right?

Nope you're actually wrong. If you've seen any posts between 12clicks and me in the past you'll understand we don't like each other. The biggest players in the xsale game have never bought ads from me.

Matt, if you could make 10k a day you're telling me you would not do it too?

Anyone of these surfers can do a chargeback on their cards. I'm not saying this is 100% legit but it is what it is.

i know how to break into the house through broken window, am i doing it? you are piece of idiot

I dont disagree with you on the ethics point, especially in the way it is being done just. Cross sales in general mainstream or porn should be shut down. You cant do this in a retail store. "oh you baught thise sneakers, you get to try these 2 tshirts out, if you dont bring them back we will charge you $45 dollars a month and send you 2 new tshirts a month'. Department stores would love that.

It opens too many doors for shady business.

I'm a piece of idiot? Lol. I just explained that anyone can charge these back. Like I said you're just pissed off because its not you making the money.

Many people reading this thread could set up a similar system, but will never do it. Why do you think that is?

12clicks has gone oddly quiet in this thread

Hes busy nailiing in shingles

there are legal ways to rip off all kinds of people. typically the majority of people who employ such tactics are sociopaths.