read the whole website and it's credible - the wording is horrible in the Talmud, taken at face value it's a field day for those who like to demonize Jews. they won't be interested in reading the context those controversial statements belong to.

It is actually pretty common, and in quite a few cases, add a zero

Cross selling a kids game site with a porn membership? It's one of those things where something is legal, but everyone knows it's a bad thing. Kind of like a drug dealer selling a new kind of street drug that the government hasn't outlawed yet.

It would be nice if Visa/MC would prohibit cross sales of any kind where porn is involved. I think we all agree that while cross sales are legitimate if used responsibly, they are an overall black stain on the industry.

It's easy to think this doesn't affect you and just look the other way, but consider the following.

If your traffic was 1:400 several years ago and it's 1:700 today (figures vary, but everyone is significantly worse off), how much of that is aggressive billing practices? I'm not saying the +300 in this example is entirely cross sales. It's a combination of cross sales, piracy and the economy.

So let's just say hypothetically speaking that 25 of the +300 was caused by aggressive billing. That means the industry snakes have cost the average webmaster thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars. Remember that each time you see their names. They have cost you money.

They aren't just some entertaining forum screen name that you love to hate. These guys have taken money away from you and it hasn't been in a legitimate manner.

If a site has cross sales, don't promote it. If someone wants to buy traffic for a site with cross sales, don't sell them the traffic. Treat cross sales as if you were sending your traffic to a site with a virus. It could be years before Visa/MC or the government puts and end to high risk merchant account cross sales. It will happen eventually, but god only knows what our ratios will be come then.

Who would have thought it?

On the other hand, I doubt this is as successful as it sounds as most people won't recognize the name of the game site so they will claim their card was stolen. Add in that they will refund to protect their visa/mc account and I wonder if they do that well?

They don't need to protect their visa/mc accounts they've got hundreds on hand.

Gotcha, there are probably tons of details I do not know.

It has always amazed me that this is tolerated at all by Visa. Can you imagine checking out at Walmart and they throw some extra stuff in your bag and unless you bring it back, they charge you. This never made sense.

Not only is cross-selling a "family friendly" game site with a porn site a scumbag move...but anyone with a brain can clearly see what the object of all those bogus mainstream sites are and it's pretty fucked up.

If you guys knew how to do what 12clicks and others were doing you would be doing it to.

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in prison. All it would take is two or three people he pissed off in the past to fill out the FTC form or make a few complaints to VISA and he will be in a world of hurt one way or another. Hell even Gawker or The Consumerist might cover something like this because it's that outrageous.

Translation: 12clicks or those involved in this ring buys traffic from us, so I better get in here and stick up for him.

Right?

Nope you're actually wrong. If you've seen any posts between 12clicks and me in the past you'll understand we don't like each other. The biggest players in the xsale game have never bought ads from me.

Matt, if you could make 10k a day you're telling me you would not do it too?

Anyone of these surfers can do a chargeback on their cards. I'm not saying this is 100% legit but it is what it is.

i know how to break into the house through broken window, am i doing it? you are piece of idiot

I dont disagree with you on the ethics point, especially in the way it is being done just. Cross sales in general mainstream or porn should be shut down. You cant do this in a retail store. "oh you baught thise sneakers, you get to try these 2 tshirts out, if you dont bring them back we will charge you $45 dollars a month and send you 2 new tshirts a month'. Department stores would love that.

It opens too many doors for shady business.

I'm a piece of idiot? Lol. I just explained that anyone can charge these back. Like I said you're just pissed off because its not you making the money.

Many people reading this thread could set up a similar system, but will never do it. Why do you think that is?

12clicks has gone oddly quiet in this thread

Hes busy nailiing in shingles

there are legal ways to rip off all kinds of people. typically the majority of people who employ such tactics are sociopaths.

yeah you said if we know how to scam like him, we will be doing the same ... read yor original post, sorry

This is t rocket science what he is doing. Some peole here do actually have morals and have no problem working hard to make money. This is a rypical lazy scammers shortcut. It wi run ts course.

In short no. people have the opportunity to be scumbags every day they don't decide to run with it.

Oh and I won't go into details but there is nothing complicated about what 12clicks is doing, I wouldn't even call it a business, it's a scummy little money making scheme at best.

Bryan, help me understand your stance on this, if you are in fact taking a stance. Are you suggesting that you condone this? I'm just curious ...

12clicks has always been a bottom feeder in this industry. This scammy attempt at making a buck is just another good example.


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If AK suspended file lockers most popular payment options - this shit could be cleane up even easier. Just need the right man in action.

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Fucking someone is fucking someone. Dress it up anyway you want you are still fucking someone. For money. Takes a special kind of asshole to do this.

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lol @ adultking being called on.

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Always wondered if Ron's 12clickscash partner, Mojohost Brad, knew all the shady ways Ron uses their program to make a buck.

Did anyone report this yet?

Maybe Ak can offer some advice as to who who can be most effective departments to complain/contact at Visa, etc? if 12clicks and his partners have any US entities some properly worded letters to media and their local, state and fed reps about the business at hand could do something.

Maybe we should all follow the gay program owners for a minute and actually do something about shit like this.

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Guys,
I am not condoning anything. All I'm saying it is what it is. Its been going on for years. Remember when visa and mastercard supposedly put a stop to merchant xsales? Well guess what it still happens. Why do you think that is? You think its bad in adult? You should see mainstream. For the record I think 12clicks is a fucking asshole. He is who he is but he's making bank.

Also, kovachi thanks for the compliment!

Bryan, you are a good person but seriously I think you should step back on this because I have a feeling once reports are filed GFY will find out the hard way. This sounds shady and I wouldnt want to be connected with that company.

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I didn't think you were allowed to cross borders with credit cards. You are jumping into to different classifications of transactions. I would think all the vendors involved would be fined. I guess we will know depending how long it stays online.

Mojo and Mojohost Brad are 2 different guys there "player".

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