Sad but true.

I'm just shocked that so many people in 2013 actually believe that politicians really care about their well being. :1orglaugh

No Robbie, they wrote it. This is exactly what i mean when i say Obama's just another corporate whore. Forget ideology and the Dem vs Rep stage show. That's just window dressing for the masses.

It's all about the money, and the president and 99% of congress are nothing but business agents for the big money interests which paid for their elections.

No they didn't!!! Neither you and I (nor the Heritage Foundation) and half of Congress even know what's IN it.

And yes, I agree 100% that they are ALL just thieving politicians. But this is Congressional Democrat's baby all the way (Obama didn't even help write "ObamaCare" lol...not sure if he's ever done ANYTHING come to think of it), not The Heritage Foundations attempt at some kind of alternative to "Hillary Care" in the 1990's.

As I said...no Democrat or liberal is going to do anything that The Heritage Foundation suggests.

If they came up with the same ideas so be it...but I'm not even sure it that's the case because nobody really knows what's in that piece of legislation because it's got more pages than "War And Peace" lol

The Senate bill, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, bore similarities to prior healthcare reform proposals introduced by Republicans. In 1993 Senator John Chafee introduced the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act which contained a "Universal Coverage" requirement with a penalty for non-compliance.[161][162] Advocates for the 1993 bill which contained the "individual mandate" included prominent Republicans who today oppose the mandate, namely Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Robert Bennett (R-UT), and Christopher Bond (R-MO).[163] In 1994 Senator Don Nickles introduced the Consumer Choice Health Security Act which also contained an individual mandate with a penalty provision.[164] However, Nickles removed the mandate from the act shortly after introduction, stating that they had decided "that government should not compel people to buy health insurance."[165] Many experts of healthcare policy have pointed out that the "individual mandate" requirement to buy health insurance was contained in many previous Republican/conservative proposals for healthcare legislation, going back as far as 1989.[166] Other experts have pointed out that the healthcare legislation that emerged from Congress in 2009 and 2010 is patterned, largely, after former Republican Governor of Massachusetts Mitt Romney's state healthcare plan which also contains the individual mandate


nothing about the Heritage House writing it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient...dable_Care_Act

Taranto points out that the Heritage mandate was less onerous than the Obamacare one, as it focused on coverage for catastrophic illness, rather than the comprehensive health plans that Obamacare requires

Read this http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/201...idual-mandate/

I have a great new plan!

Have the govt. STOP Big Pharma, Hospitals, and doctors from price gouging the American people.

Then we could all just PAY for our own goddamn "health care" without needing insurance when you stub your toe. You would only need insurance coverage for a major catastrophe.

You know...like the way it worked for decades.

Yes they did!!! (couldnt' resist :winkwink:) This is not a big effing secret. We can quibble about this or that, but the framework is the same.

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...em-for-america.

and from the WSJ, a debunking of the HF's recent attempts to rewrite history http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...144786448.html

IMO you and I agree on far, far more things than we disagree, but for whatever reason, we seem to end up kind of adversarial. IDK if we just got off on the wrong foot or something, but it's too bad.

See? Yet another thing we agree on :winkwink: Remember the Libertarian Party's dual mandate: protect people from force and fraud. That's dead-on what you just said:thumbsup

The greedy fucks who long since wiped their asses with the Hippocratic Oath need to be reined in (aka regulated) by govt. It's just near-impossible these days due to the overwhelming influence these huge money interests have on the laws and how they're enforced.

I just scanned over that...and mostly read the "framework" (their SUGGESTIONS)...doesn't read like ObamaCare to me. It talks a lot about govt. creating incentives for the market to drive costs down.

Anyway...that's all built on ideas that were first presented in the late 1800's (as I already told you). Pres. Theodore Roosevelt actually confronted this in the early 1900's.

Obama Care is most definitely NOT from The Heritage Foundation. And if you believe that Obama sat down and read that study by The Heritage Foundation and then commanded Pelosi and Reid to copy it...I got a bridge to sell ya.

You're basically just spouting MSNBC on this one bud. I know you like to think you are enlightened (as do I as well), but that is the same pile of bologna I"ve heard on MSNBC.

And unless The Heritage Foundation wrote that in the late 1800's...they are NOT the author of Nationalized Health Care. That's just a fact.

They are a hundred years too late.

And the REALITY is...OBAMA is the one who pushed the Democrat Congress to both write it and pass it (remember Pelosi: "We will find out what's in it after we vote for it"). NOT some conservative think tank.

How can I "spout MSNBC" when i almost never watch that channel? I must have a psychic link to Rachel Maddow or something. Dude, I give. Last word is all yours.

I read it
Heritage suggested the end of employer paid medical so employee's would shop for better deals.
I just don't see what difference it makes, Reagan even wanted healthcare reform, Kerr-Mills Act

:thumbsup Obama can't reason with unreasonable people. Throw them the fuck out.