http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/4w...jpg_175302.jpg

http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/50-top-aliens-slideshow/

They left out these ones. :(

http://blog.chron.com/immigration/fi...20NAHJ%202.jpg

are you so dumb you want the cart before the horse? fuck are you ever an IDIOT

there was no PROOF the sound barrier could be broken before it was either. The POINT is NASA is EMPLOYING people on this topic, so there is SOME possible merit to break what we once before thought to be completely unbreakable (ie the speed of light) at some point in the future. It's not an absolute NO anymore from a scientific perspective of possible in the future, and that's HUGE.

I dont care if Aliens come to earth as long as AlienQ doesnt come to this board !!!

lol

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I guess you never notice that the real problem is armchair "truthers" such as yourself muddy the waters so much with their stupid attempts at "proof" that it actually raises the bar for actual proof.

I dunno whether aliens have been here. I dont think they come and adbuct uncle jed to probe him and return him. Whether they would pick this one mudball flyspeck out of the infinite other number of other flyspecks and not just take over or introduce themselves , well, I don't know.

I'll tell you what I do know though. 99/100 of the people that make these arguments are fucking idiots and congrats, you proved it.

It's always the narcissists thinking that they're so important advanced aliens must give a shit about them. Funny.

it's pretty clear you are an idiot and didn't read a or understand a word of what I've said.

BIG FOOT will tell you where to look

gotta find that hairy Saskatchewan first, so I'm going to Saskatoon, Saskatchewan next week on a week long trip to find him.

If anyone should be an expert on idiocy, you rule.

Read this part REALLY slow, dumbfuck - and try your best to comprehend. I'll dumb it down as much as possible for you:

You state that "[FACT]aliens have visited earth" because "warp speed is possible" - an assertion you make based on an article of unproven theory - NOT practical application. Until warp speed is proven to be possible, we can't assume it IS possible...and therefore can't claim proof of alien visitation baed on a THEORY of propulsion.

If warp propulsion is likened to your 'horse' above - you don't have a horse in the race either in front or behind the cart.

Do the Canadian gene pool a favour - don't procreate.

What was the questions again?
 

actually, I can prove, based on steven hawking theories, warp speed, ie matter traveling faster than the speed of light from point a to point b, IS possible and according to his theories, has happened.

but since you used yellow, a sign of stupidity, It'll cost you.

Wager a bet? say $100 that I can prove it?

this is why idiots hate me, can I CAN back this shit up when you stand up and TRY and be intelligent. Next you get disproved and end up hating me for years cause I just showed with fast you are an idiot, so I'm being nice. apoligise and admit you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, or put your money where your mouth is. I'll take your cash AND show you that you are a moron...

avoid this, and it's proof you're a cowardly idiot.

Woooow, coming from a 50 year old guy who claimed this: there are cans moving in my basement. I didn't do it so it has to be a ghost.

An imbecile calling another guy an imbecile. Well done.

http://web1.latedeals.co.uk/blog/wp-...10/redneck.jpg

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still waiting the the bet......

Yes, let's put $100 on the fact you can't prove:

1. That warp speed is possible.
2. That warp speed is responsible for aliens having visited Earth.

Those are the two assertions in your OP that you need to prove.

'Murica is full of aliens... and predators

the speed of light limit is a manmade limit. our maths stop there, not natural physics.

that said, i do think my math comment earlier has merit- i don't think an alien life form has/had enough time to evolve to the point of developing tech to surpass the speed of light.

most planets were created around the same era, when metals were introduced into the universe, although i do know that a planet has been discovered that is much much older, as far as we know, most planets are no more than ~5-6 billion years old.

is that enough time to dev the tech? hmmmmmmmmmm.

This is the mistake most people make when discussing possible alien technology and contact: using human development as a reference.

How can anyone even pretend to guess how fast an alien culture would develop technology? Maybe their physiology would disperse with the need, their brains being able to manipulate matter using quantuum properties which we can't guess exist.

Or they would be some kind of colony-intellect like ants, using proxy bodies to explore the galaxy.

Even if you use human development as a reference just think of the technological advances we have made in a mere one thousand years. Now imagine an alien culture that was five thousand years ahead of us, which in the big scheme of things is less than a blink of an eye.

Is there life in the Universe other than us? I find it difficult to believe there isn't.

Is there "intelligent" life in the Universe other than us? That's a different, and kind of scary question because if we use human history as an example every time a technologically superior culture has met what they saw as a technologically inferior culture, the primitives got fucked into extinction or almost.

YES:thumbsup

it'snot a mistake.

of course i know it's an anthropromorhic reference point.

duh.

the fact of the matter is we have gone only as far as 238,000 miles out into the universe with a man on-board in 4.5 billion years and yes, that's a reference point.

now multiple 238,000 miles by the exponent needed to get us to the next closest star that has planets. um, that's trillions of miles, and that is the SHORTEST number in the potential distance.

seem like some pretty fart smellers, i mean smart fellers are doing just that. (psst..smarter than you and me put together.)


chek this:
fermi's paradox

http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/colonize_galaxy.gif

http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/seti_search.gif

Mind you, I'm playing Devil's advocate here as I keep an open mind to both sides of the argument, but as yourself pointed out we humans have only gone that distance using our level of technology.

Why would you expect an alien race to develop along the same timelines?

The environmental stresses they suffer might be different, pushing them to develop faster, or along completely different lines which would lead to more powerful technologies than our own.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson put it this way: the genetic difference between apes and humans is a mere 4 percent.

Yet that tiny difference is what put a man on the Moon and also created Auschwitz.

Now think what a genetically different alien being might come up with.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2632324.html

Again, there's a difference between "is there other life in the Universe" and "is there other intelligent life in the Universe" and "is there other intelligent life in the Universe and why are they sticking things up my bum" :thumbsup

i was actually reading this,even though i've already posted fermi's paradox, but i quit when you wrote the name of that television scientist that dumbs down science into the lowest common denominator for tv audiences.

haha, i hate that faker tv scientist so bad i won't even write his name! too funny!

exactly, now compound from that, or extrapolate from that, technology. look how rare tech is on our own planet? just in the last 150 years, maybe, less even, in the billions of years we have been here! and we've only figured out how to get 238,000 miles out, and i am factoring in politics and money too, an evolved alien race with the tech to get here certainly has politics and resources to consider as well. that's not just a human condition.

carp, forgot a good link for fermi's paradox in detail, fun read!

http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/cosmo/lectures/lec28.html

You do realize that I was quoting your previous post and my link was a reply to that post, meaning I was arguing against those points with the aforementioned link?

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lets say you can go the speed of light. What happens when you hit something? Do you just turn it to dust from your speed of light ship of does a pebble rip you all apart to die in space?

the bet was based on A - you're adding things to it. Don't make shit up.

I can prove with accepted scientific theories that warp speed is not only possible for matter, but has happened.

that's the bet - take it or run away like a little cowardly bitch.

why are you trying to gotcha me? i mean, i can go that way, you could have instead carried on the debate, n/m i think i will-


i already proved you are an idiot, so shut the fuck up.

i always wonder that when i watch my star trek. gotta be a lot of tiny bits that could go right through the hull right?

Oh I'm sorry, baby got his feelings hurt? Do you need me to call the whaaaambulance for you? Come here, let me see where the boo boo is and I'll rub my magic cock over it, make it all better. Just like your daddy used to :winkwink:

Or is this some kind of uber-trolling I'm unaware of? Us idiots can't figure simple things like that out. Maybe you can draw me a pictur.

look, shit for brains, in the course of 1 single post i made you look like a fucking embecile after you came at me for daring to think about alien tech in human terms.

people like you are too easy, it's not fun. fact is, i come here to debate and argue, i love a great debate and i will bring everything i have to attack the argument of my opponent.

but that means you need to be prepared and understand how to debate and argue.

you do not.

I'm sorry my dear sir, but it's obvious you do not like to argue or debate.

You believe that whatever you hold as truth is, by way of you believing in it, unassailable and anyone that disagrees is an idiot. You don't want to argue or debate, which means listening to the other party's arguments with an open mind.

What you like to do is to pontificate, to preach, which is to put forth your point of view and anyone that disagrees is an idiot.

This usually stems from a great lack of self-confidence, which is illustrated in how angry you got when I pointed out you believed I was agreeing with your points when I was in fact quoting them to argue against them.

You know at what point I consider a person lost an argument? When they lower themselves to yelling and name-calling. That's when you know the person has lost all perspective and simply wants to "win" the argument by being the louder and most offensive.

Sure, I could lower myself to your level, call you a pretentious cock-sucking ignorant douche bag think-he-knows-it-all two pounds of shit in one pound bag, but would that really help matters at all? Not really.

So come on. Let's get back to exploring the infinite possibilities that the Universe in all its glory offers.

Or not :thumbsup

no thanks man. debates always go to their lowest common denominator, you've already made insults about my father RIP.

i tried to let you slide a couple times, i promised myself i would stick to debating folks who have learned how to debate properly.

good evening.

Well, your magnanimosity is truly appreciated.

I'm sorry a lowly intellect such as myself dared to breach the heights your obviously superior intellect roams daily.

Perhaps one day I shall dare to dream of being the illuminati you are, a beacon of enlightened knowledge misunderstood by the masses.

I bid you good luck in your continued intellectual suffering oh enlightened one.

thread page over/under is still locked at 4!


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Sleazydream, why are you such a fucking idiot?

dude if you understood even 20% of that i'd be impressed. the problem laymen have with reading scientific literature is that there are many references to other scientific theories you have to understand as well using language that often has a different meaning in science that if the layman doesn't really have a grasp of understanding it makes the whole venture kind of silly.

most physicists are arrogant. all i know is only 2 thousand years ago which is less than a blink of an eye in the history of the Universe the greatest minds of the day believed Earth was flat and the sky was a curved firmament - the Earth was a snow globe. 2 thousand years from now much of what the greatest minds of today theorize will look just as silly.

completely oblivious and ignorant idiot Sleazydream talking about warp speed science. Jesus christ :1orglaugh

Haha yeah it's hilarious and sad at the same time.

i'm not here to impress you mutt and i cuold not give 2 shits about how much of that article you *think* i understand. i went back and posted it here because i thought some people might enjoy reading it, you didn't get it, i get that. don't blame me or my intelligence for that.

fact is, you're a porner, you are not the smartest guy in the room, or this thread, and you proved that by your comment that philosphers 2000 years ago thought the earth was flat.


fuck off.

We have been designed by something greater than us, we have a purpose to them. I suspect we are similar to what designed us, but with a far shorter lifespan.

It's difficult to know if whatever placed us here is still about or if we now have new owners. Whatever is currently in control of this farm, you can bet it was behind 9/11 and the World Wars, the place is being changed and setup as something, not for our benefit, for the benefit of the owners, whatever and whoever they may be.

We have a use, if we didn't they'd scorch the place and start again with a new project. :2 cents:

The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to ancient Greek philosophy from around the 6th century BC,[1] but remained a matter of philosophical speculation until the 3rd century BC when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth


The myth of the Flat Earth is the modern misconception that the prevailing cosmological view during the Middle Ages saw the Earth as flat, instead of spherical.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth



you can choose to attack me or you can choose to attack my argument.

Guyz, Jesus came from a planet called Heaven. Unless you think it's all made up.

Your post almost made me laugh as much as the quote above it Tom :1orglaugh :thumbsup

wehateporn, all serious questions I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on -

1. What designed our designers? And in turn, what designed them? And in turn, well, you get the picture. What's the thinking on that?

2. And did these designers design the laws of physics and nature also? Did they also design this board & conversation, or do they only design the big bad things like 9/11.

3. Did they design that big tsunami a few years back?

4. Why are our designers fucking around with shit like 9/11 and the 2 world wars - with such influence and power as to design our planet, and all lifeforms on it, from single cells through dinosaurs to humans, putting in motion the ecosystem needed to sustain all this, creating the solar system and what not, are you saying that to get to whatever this aim is, of serving themselves or others, they need to have orchestrated the 2 world wars, 9/11, and everything in between because they can't just flip this 'switch' of infinite power and get things done *today*?

This entire thread is based on your two assertions that aliens have visited earth - all because warp speed is possible.

Prove your statements above and the $100 wager is yours.

Unless, of course...50% of what you claim is unprovable bullshit. :1orglaugh