Yes I see that now. :1orglaugh

Hi Slzeazy,

This is weak. This is "proof", without proof. And don't forget, Shelock was a fictional character.

Scientists look for proof, not lack of proof.


No, it's not possible, yet. The article says they are on the VERGE of faster than light travel. And even then they have to build it, and even then it still takes alot of exotic technology and a shitload of energy.

And even if it has been possible for a long time, planet earth is only 1 of billions of other worlds which may or may not be habitable by other aliens. And even if it was, planet earth has been unremarkable and unnoticed except for the last 103 years. Why 103? Because Jan 13 1910 was when the first radio broadcast was made.

No, this COULD be used for communication, but we only recently discovered how to do it. It's expensive and not practical yet, and if Aliens were using it to try to communicate with us, we were definitely not tuned in.

And besides if aliens were going to try to communicate, they would have noticed that we use radio and light. Proxima Centauri is a star only 4.24 light years away and may have habitable worlds with intelligent life. If they could, and if they wanted to, and if they knew we were here, they could have started sending us messages that we would have received a long time ago. Alpha Century is also only 4.37 light years away, and another contender would be Banard's start at about 6 light years away - each with dozens of potential worlds.

I see what you are trying to say and trust me I love science and science fiction as much as anyone, but proof is required. You've removed a few obstacles for sure, but that's all.

this thread is trending, but it is an obscure topic, so i am setting the over/under at 4 pages.

You seriously think Sleazy understands any of that :1orglaugh

I recall hearing years ago that the televised transmission of the 1936 Berlin Olympics was the first broadcast powerful enough to escape Earth's atmosphere and go out into space.

I think they used that idea in the movie Contact.

the universe is 14 billion years old.

the earth is 4.5 billion years old

it took 3.5 billion years for intelligent life to develop here on earth, and that's with the development starting relatively early in the lifespan of the earth.

based on these #s, i wonder if it's possible another lifeform evolved fast enough to have developed the technology to have visited here, even any time in the recent past, let alone millions of years ago.

lol, if you think this thread 'proves' we aren't the most intelligent lifeform, it's you who has the ego problem :winkwink:

The new and unimproved statement doesn't work for me either as far as wtf someone's ego has to do with it if they don't believe there are intelligent lifeforms elsewhere. In fact, to get a little bit deeper into it, that statement is egotistical in itself, with you thinking you are 'better' than someone else, because their ego isn't as 'well adjusted' or as 'correct' as yours, otherwise you wouldn't say it - someone's belief on whether or not there is other intelligent life has zero to do with ego and is purely and solely a belief, because their belief isn't based on a less than/more than principle.

For the record, I don't disbelieve there are other lifeforms, intelligent or otherwise, elsewhere, but I don't dismiss those others' beliefs to the contrary based on a soundbite I heard or read by an egotistical idiot (yes, there's my ego) and thought sounded so cool that I went around repeating it to unsuccessfully prove my own lack of ego :thumbsup

please do not think about things like this sleazy. People like you with pea brains should stick to worrying about how to tie your shoes

I think we are the aliens here.

gotta love us people - if we can't do it the aliens can't do it. Therefore we have it all figured out

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/4w...jpg_175302.jpg

http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/50-top-aliens-slideshow/

They left out these ones. :(

http://blog.chron.com/immigration/fi...20NAHJ%202.jpg

are you so dumb you want the cart before the horse? fuck are you ever an IDIOT

there was no PROOF the sound barrier could be broken before it was either. The POINT is NASA is EMPLOYING people on this topic, so there is SOME possible merit to break what we once before thought to be completely unbreakable (ie the speed of light) at some point in the future. It's not an absolute NO anymore from a scientific perspective of possible in the future, and that's HUGE.

I dont care if Aliens come to earth as long as AlienQ doesnt come to this board !!!

lol

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I guess you never notice that the real problem is armchair "truthers" such as yourself muddy the waters so much with their stupid attempts at "proof" that it actually raises the bar for actual proof.

I dunno whether aliens have been here. I dont think they come and adbuct uncle jed to probe him and return him. Whether they would pick this one mudball flyspeck out of the infinite other number of other flyspecks and not just take over or introduce themselves , well, I don't know.

I'll tell you what I do know though. 99/100 of the people that make these arguments are fucking idiots and congrats, you proved it.

It's always the narcissists thinking that they're so important advanced aliens must give a shit about them. Funny.

it's pretty clear you are an idiot and didn't read a or understand a word of what I've said.

BIG FOOT will tell you where to look

gotta find that hairy Saskatchewan first, so I'm going to Saskatoon, Saskatchewan next week on a week long trip to find him.

If anyone should be an expert on idiocy, you rule.

Read this part REALLY slow, dumbfuck - and try your best to comprehend. I'll dumb it down as much as possible for you:

You state that "[FACT]aliens have visited earth" because "warp speed is possible" - an assertion you make based on an article of unproven theory - NOT practical application. Until warp speed is proven to be possible, we can't assume it IS possible...and therefore can't claim proof of alien visitation baed on a THEORY of propulsion.

If warp propulsion is likened to your 'horse' above - you don't have a horse in the race either in front or behind the cart.

Do the Canadian gene pool a favour - don't procreate.

What was the questions again?
 

actually, I can prove, based on steven hawking theories, warp speed, ie matter traveling faster than the speed of light from point a to point b, IS possible and according to his theories, has happened.

but since you used yellow, a sign of stupidity, It'll cost you.

Wager a bet? say $100 that I can prove it?

this is why idiots hate me, can I CAN back this shit up when you stand up and TRY and be intelligent. Next you get disproved and end up hating me for years cause I just showed with fast you are an idiot, so I'm being nice. apoligise and admit you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, or put your money where your mouth is. I'll take your cash AND show you that you are a moron...

avoid this, and it's proof you're a cowardly idiot.

Woooow, coming from a 50 year old guy who claimed this: there are cans moving in my basement. I didn't do it so it has to be a ghost.

An imbecile calling another guy an imbecile. Well done.

http://web1.latedeals.co.uk/blog/wp-...10/redneck.jpg

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still waiting the the bet......

Yes, let's put $100 on the fact you can't prove:

1. That warp speed is possible.
2. That warp speed is responsible for aliens having visited Earth.

Those are the two assertions in your OP that you need to prove.

'Murica is full of aliens... and predators

the speed of light limit is a manmade limit. our maths stop there, not natural physics.

that said, i do think my math comment earlier has merit- i don't think an alien life form has/had enough time to evolve to the point of developing tech to surpass the speed of light.

most planets were created around the same era, when metals were introduced into the universe, although i do know that a planet has been discovered that is much much older, as far as we know, most planets are no more than ~5-6 billion years old.

is that enough time to dev the tech? hmmmmmmmmmm.

This is the mistake most people make when discussing possible alien technology and contact: using human development as a reference.

How can anyone even pretend to guess how fast an alien culture would develop technology? Maybe their physiology would disperse with the need, their brains being able to manipulate matter using quantuum properties which we can't guess exist.

Or they would be some kind of colony-intellect like ants, using proxy bodies to explore the galaxy.

Even if you use human development as a reference just think of the technological advances we have made in a mere one thousand years. Now imagine an alien culture that was five thousand years ahead of us, which in the big scheme of things is less than a blink of an eye.

Is there life in the Universe other than us? I find it difficult to believe there isn't.

Is there "intelligent" life in the Universe other than us? That's a different, and kind of scary question because if we use human history as an example every time a technologically superior culture has met what they saw as a technologically inferior culture, the primitives got fucked into extinction or almost.

YES:thumbsup

it'snot a mistake.

of course i know it's an anthropromorhic reference point.

duh.

the fact of the matter is we have gone only as far as 238,000 miles out into the universe with a man on-board in 4.5 billion years and yes, that's a reference point.

now multiple 238,000 miles by the exponent needed to get us to the next closest star that has planets. um, that's trillions of miles, and that is the SHORTEST number in the potential distance.

seem like some pretty fart smellers, i mean smart fellers are doing just that. (psst..smarter than you and me put together.)


chek this:
fermi's paradox

http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/colonize_galaxy.gif

http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/seti_search.gif

Mind you, I'm playing Devil's advocate here as I keep an open mind to both sides of the argument, but as yourself pointed out we humans have only gone that distance using our level of technology.

Why would you expect an alien race to develop along the same timelines?

The environmental stresses they suffer might be different, pushing them to develop faster, or along completely different lines which would lead to more powerful technologies than our own.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson put it this way: the genetic difference between apes and humans is a mere 4 percent.

Yet that tiny difference is what put a man on the Moon and also created Auschwitz.

Now think what a genetically different alien being might come up with.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2632324.html

Again, there's a difference between "is there other life in the Universe" and "is there other intelligent life in the Universe" and "is there other intelligent life in the Universe and why are they sticking things up my bum" :thumbsup

i was actually reading this,even though i've already posted fermi's paradox, but i quit when you wrote the name of that television scientist that dumbs down science into the lowest common denominator for tv audiences.

haha, i hate that faker tv scientist so bad i won't even write his name! too funny!

exactly, now compound from that, or extrapolate from that, technology. look how rare tech is on our own planet? just in the last 150 years, maybe, less even, in the billions of years we have been here! and we've only figured out how to get 238,000 miles out, and i am factoring in politics and money too, an evolved alien race with the tech to get here certainly has politics and resources to consider as well. that's not just a human condition.

carp, forgot a good link for fermi's paradox in detail, fun read!

http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/cosmo/lectures/lec28.html

You do realize that I was quoting your previous post and my link was a reply to that post, meaning I was arguing against those points with the aforementioned link?

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