Quote from Oren on Skype:

"the users will be able to create new login and get 2nd chanceif they wish so they r not really banned from Imlive.com
[4/10/13 6:17:25 AM] orenklaus: and obviouslly the model can keep working in ImLive.com

THIS IS AN ALL OUT ADMISSION OF BLAME BY PC

So when do I get my check?

WOW so Oren stops even answering you here, but one has to think with all the money they spend here trying to get aff's and all the promo's they do, one would think something was fishy not saying it is but one would think it was?

And no I am not a troll I don't normally get into this type of stuff but I do read and see the OP point of view!! Good luck and I would move on or take them to small claims court.

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

Heres the kicker:
Me and my Performers are being accused of being SCAMMERS by the 100 PERCENT LEGITIMATE MEMBERS that joined ImLive through me.

I have had to explain to loyal paying customers that I was unable to make the shows happen on ImLive through no fault of my own - and that I am unable to offer any explanation as to why those shows cant go forward - AND that Im sorry they are LOCKED OUT OF THIER IMLIVE ACCOUNTS and lost $25 bucks in the process and there is no way I can refund the money.

I guess I need to email them all and encourage them to do chargebacks?

Thanks for the good words Fungus but damage to me and my performers reputations like this goes way beyond small claims court.

Why did they not convert you to revshare?

threads like this make my thankful I dont deal with Pussy Cash or other sponsors that promise THE MOON PPS. I always figured there was a "CATCH"

This thread will disappear from GFY in 3....2....1....

So you were referring your models, sending your customers who only want to see them and then wanting PPS on top of that? Sounds like you were trying to score on both ends, no?

how much money have to spend a registered new user on pussycash for a legit PPS?

No. I was not making any referral if that is what you are suggesting. My only relationship to ImLive was that of an affiliate, my relationship to the models is non-monetary, meaning I dont make a dime of what they make ONLY the PPS was a source of income for me.

Even if what you suggested were the case - is there something wrong with that business model? Something against anyones TOS or anything unethical about it?

ALSO: I DO NOT think that my members ONLY wanted to see MY MODELS - I would never have guessed that. I assume Pussycash knows what they are doing and CAN MAKE MONEY when a legit member joins. I assumed any guy that wants to see cam girls will stay and find other girls and spend money. Remember - they CANCELLED my members accounts in less than 2 WEEKS - so how would they ever know if they were going to spend money and ultimately turn a profit for Pussycash.

Just trying to get your side of the story.


Good advice. :2 cents:

You did not demonstrate that anything I was doing was against your terms of use - where is the fine print? Please if you have it show it!

It seemed to me that you perfectly understood it while chatting with me. Oren do you see the difference between these two statements:

A. I understand why you thought I was doing something wrong.
B. I understand what I did wrong.


I proved in my lengthly email to you that I did nothing wrong. You so much as admitted to me that I have done nothing wrong by saying that my members would be allowed to make a new username on ImLive and continue using the site (and that my models could continue to perform) SO if you are admitting that Im legit - what is your excuse for not paying me the monies owed?

Why is it that EVERYTIME pussycash's name comes up, it comes up with a negative note?

glad i never promoted them, and you can bet your bottom dollar i never will.

it also sounds like their fraud department blows.

is that not the point of business, to profit whenever possible? sounds to me pussycash is just pissed they didn't make enough money, that's their bad. You cant neg on a deal later, that's poor business to put it lightly. Secondly, they shouldn't make deals that are gambles for them and then neg on them any time it doesn't work out. that's crap!

i remember paying out $40+ on free joins, i didn't shit can every affiliate just because their joins didn't retain(if anything id move them to paid trails and still pay on the free). that was the gamble I took, therefore I should suffer MY consequences, instead of just taking YOUR pay to even my own odds!

I actually don't think that is the case here - I think they SUSPECTED fraud and thats why I got banned. Now that I have PROVEN there was NO FRAUD they just don't want to admit it, apologize, and PAY ME.

OK adendreams, few more details here (though most of them were told to you by me via chat):

1. You promoted ImLive with type of incentivized traffic and by chat traffic which both are forbidden by us and are against our terms of use,as you confirmed me yourself that your top model sent her ImLive link for users to register via Skype (also,from your descriptions here its obvious you know excatly all your users and have their IM's).

2. With this-no one said or blamed you in Fraud malicious Activity or that your users are not real.

3. The vast majority of the users you have brought by this forbidden method werent even charged on our systems as they were flagged and are considered as Null signups on our side.

4. With all of this, we are OK to give you 2nd chance so you will be able to open new account that will be set to Rev Share Only; I truly hope to see you succeed this time with us as you have my Skype to help you with anything you will need for this,so sincere Good-luck if you choose to do so.

Do the same rules apply to revshare?

ie incentivised traffic is a big no no all round?

I do not promote PC and not about to, however incentivised traffic to revshare should not cause a problem (not a financial incentive)

he would be a fool to touch you again, without being paid.

i still do not understand how a girl IMing a customer and asking them to join and watch a show is against TOS, LOTS of cam girls do this. pretty sleazy way to get out of paying, if you ask me.

final note:

maybe if PC answered support requests promptly and without the snooty attitude they are notorious for, they wouldnt be in the court of public opinion. $0.02

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? The INCENTIVE was that the CUSTOMER would get to see a cam model CAMMING ON A CAM SITE!

Also you are forgetting to ad that I had banners right on my home page (which I activated and proved for you - and sent a link) IM via skype is only one way out of many that I promote. The point is that I brought top talent to ImLive and they brought some of their paying customers. LEGIT paying customers that were simply holding their credits until our shows started.

You did NOT say that my using skype to promote had ANYTHING TO DO with why I got banned. You only said that " %90 of the users that sign DIDNT SPEND even 1 cent and many that did CHB"

THE ONLY reason any of them would have charged back is AFTER you terminated my account and I had to post that the shows would no longer be held on ImLive. So IF there were chargebacks its due to YOUR pulling my account prematurely.

So to summarize - you banned me for one of these reasons or both:

1. You suspected fraud. (there was no fraud)
2. You assumed my traffic was going to lose you money (but you have no way of knowing since you banned my users prior to 2 weeks passing)

The fact that I may have bent some of your fine print rules and regs (Im still waiting to see them - please feel free to paste them on this thread) had absolutely nothing to do with WHY YOU BANNED ME - you only learned that yesterday by me telling you.

My models promote their cam shows in many ways - email, chat, text, blogs, twitter - you are telling me that you DONT want models to tell users about cam shows by IM..... because WHY?

This is a totally false accusation and typical of someone just making shit up to get out of paying a bill that they owe.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THE GUYS THAT JOINED ARE - and I DID NOT SAY that I have their IM's - I DO have a big email list that Im sure many of those members are on, and since you guys basically FUCKED them for $25 each I guess I need to send out an email blast to my list notifying that IF any of them Joined ImLive with the intention of seeing our shows and LOST their credits unjustly that I recommend doing a chargeback.

Please explain how the traffic Aden sent was incentivized? It would be one thing if the model said to her customers, "sign up via this link and I'll give you free private shows", but as far as I know the members were not incentivized to sign up.

Also, I've never heard of "chat traffic" in a TOS refer to giving out an affiliate link via instant messenger to someone you already have a relationship with (model to member). It almost always refers to mass spamming your link in chat rooms or making wild promises via instant messenger/chat rooms to get the signup, then never fulfilling the promises. (ie. Philippine chat spammers)

don't all cam models keep close relationships with their big spenders, and 'carry them around'?

Bingo

there is no downside here whatsoever with ANY form of communication the model may have with a member - I can see this applying to phillppeano scammers but has no bearing on my case. What this is is PURE LUCK - this is Oren getting lucky that I told him yesterday that I may have bent rules that I had no idea existed, and have no detrimental effect on the business relationship anyway.

So lets see where this goes...OK Oren has admitted openly that: Quote: "With this-no one said or blamed you in Fraud malicious Activity or that your users are not real." So if thats the case don't my users who were wrongfully terminated deserve an email apology from PC and the credits that were taken from them re-instated? Remember some of them think WE scammed them and it's hurt my performers rep....

OMFG PC it's getting deeper and deeper, here.. why not pay the man If you're going to allow him to re join then there was NO fraud on his part then why not pay him... :

This is the TOS:
http://pussycash.com/agreement.asp

"PussyCash.com does NOT allow its affiliates to advertise by email "

"(i) In the event that You are a resident of the United States, You shall not advertise or solicit members for the Company or any of its websites (including ImLive.com) by email, text messages, twitter messages, telephone calls, flyers, handouts, US mail, posters, coupons, brochures, in-person solicitations or solicitation by any other means unless you have a written permission from the Company.

"General note : In any case the Company suspects that you are involved in any kind of fraud activities the Company may, at its sole discretion, terminate your account or otherwise transfer you to another program of fix lower payment or revenue share only.."
"You acknowledge and agree that the Company shall have the right, in its sole and absolute discretion and at any time, to expand or modify what it determines to constitute fraudulent activity."

Don't see how any of that applies to this situation. If a model is doing a cam show on skype for an individual and tells them they will be moving their shows over to ImLive, here is a link to signup, that's not advertising/soliciting in the way ImLive is referring to in its TOS.

A pretty clear case of PC just not wanting to pay what it owes. They are making up new rules after the fact, here. They've admitted there was no fraud, they should pay.

pussycash terms is bull shit, pussycash gets some of us with 250 or 300 a pop promotion then place you on rev share if your clients dont keep buying time on there cam site. Stop with the bogus promotions and use regular $40 is fair. Not the gimmicky $250

HUH? This makes zero sense. I am ONLY asking for payment on the joins I was fully credited for. Are you saying that you credit webmasters for joins prior to them successfully singing up - you credit aff's for null joins?

I have pissed off guys saying my models scammed them because they never appeared on IMLive - AND that they lost their credits and are locked out of their accounts. What vast majority are you referring to - it only takes a couple pissed off guys to talk shit about models being scammers to damage reps.

adendreams Do these girls have websites? There is software out there that you can add to their members area where members can still tip, and it will also be public on a cam site so there members will also be able to join the shows and spend money.

no twitter promotion? ROFL. so a porn blogs twitter account cant tweet urls that promote Imlive?

thank god i never wasted my time pushing pussycash

Why would anyone promote them at all if they have so many rules against how they can be promoted? What does that leave as legal promotion- only banners, images and text links on a web page?

Love how Oren has this flying in his sig:

http://serve.pussycash.com/NewPromoB...s/728_90ms.gif


They need to put an asterisk on their banner that points to some fine print at the bottom "If we are not making enough money with your signups we will either revert you to revshare or cancel your affiliate account and you will not be paid, send traffic at your own discretion."

The things you just put in bold makes your post seem like you dont even know the facts here - you're just working for the man... I NEVER SENT A SINGLE EMAIL TO PROMOTE IMLIVE Why did you make that bold and capitalize NOT?

And the other things you made bold like "suspects" well that just shows how absurdly easy they can delete any affiliate for ANY REASON and then just not pay.

Must make all the Aff's who are pushing them feel real good.

This is in TOS too:
http://pussycash.com/agreement.asp

"The company can decide in its sole discretion, and with no prior notice, to convert affiliates from their current program, to the revenue share program."

Perhaps guys you should read the terms page of each program and you may find quite the same stuff. Of course in a banner there's space for just "up to $300 pps", but when you go signup a program you click a button "I've read and agree the terms", if in terms there's written you're not paid if your site got green color background, and you busted with site having green background, that's it, your fault and not site's.

Wait, is that type of promotion even allowed?

There are people communicating on a message board so that counts as *in-person* which = soliciting and fraud according to PC. Sorry to tell you Oren, your account is fraudulent and has been shut down.

Nailed it.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Seriously Ed? You know how long I've been around, that question looks like something you would ask a total newb. You also know the caliber of my talent and that I'm no fraud.