we cannot see into the backend to know what set off the red flags so it's easy to take the word of one side over the other. i have no dog in this fight so i wouldn't even guess if there is 100% fault on only one side but it's doubtful. as a sponsor you wouldn't turn such an amazing whale of an affiliate away for no reason at all. some of the mention that he would make too much money is ridiculous, the guy could build up biz huge over years to come and no sponsor shuts that down. it seems like Oren has gone to bat for this affiliate and gotten it reviewed multiple times. in the end i think they will work out a compromise on their issues and live happily ever after. seems a waste for both parties if they do not

You guys aren't fully grasping what happened here. They blocked me and cancelled my members and deleted star webcam talent for only one reason - they thought it was all fraud. That was almost 2 months ago - they never responded to any email or ICQ (other than the short email pasted in this thread) they were never going to respond to me in any way if not for GFY.

I'm sure their staff never even considered for one second that I was anything but a scammer until a couple days ago when I launched this thread. This thread is the only reason they even grasp what happened. NOW that I have proven they were wrong they just figure its too late to go back and are hoping I just go away quietly.

People that know me well know that Im not that quiet of a guy.

Remember that "Curious Cash nonpayment issues" thread? Welcome to Version 2.0

Um, welcome to the world of $300 pps. A sponsor most certainly does try to find a reason to dump an affiliate when they are paying out $300 and only getting $25 back in return. Its not the affiliate's fault, its the sponsor who chooses to create a payout structure (mostly to attract as much cam traffic as they can), then convert to revshare or cancel all the affiliates' who they don't at least breakeven on.

This has been going on between Pussycash and AWE the last few years as each program tries to outdo each other with higher promo payouts. Each program has been pulling underhanded tactics during these high payout promos, it just so happens that Aden exposed PC getting caught trying it on him.

Also, not sure where you got "amazing whale of an affiliate". Aden is owed $2400 which is hardly a whale affiliate and under their high pps, represents only a handful of sales. Oren most certainly did not go to bat for Aden as it took him bringing it to GFY for them to finally respond and even then they don't seem interested in working out a compromise even after Aden explained to them why his referrals were waiting to spend. Having this thread on GFY for a couple weeks will do far more damage than the $2400 they've decided to steal from Aden.

they have a rule where all models work for pennies for the first 40 hours I think...this is the reason for the high % in private...

This is exactly right - without even going to his superiors and saying "I think we made a mistake with this affiliate" and trying to get me paid - He was telling me NO WAY right as soon as I told him the story on Skype:

From Oren on Skype "we cant almost %100 as almost NO ONE spent $ here and the account status is FRAUD-so obvious there is no chance here"

"because of those bad numbers our guys were almost sure all are fraud users which r not real and cant spend the money"

BUT NOW Oren is telling me those SAME MEMBERS are welcome to make a new username and continue on ImLive - in essence admitting their error - but not offering to make any amends. And now only crickets...

Take pussycash banners down until dude get his money

wow.............

youre not getting paid

Crazy. I have a tattoo of this exact image.

i really don't understand why are affiliates so greedy for high pps, get your shit together and work on promoting revshare properly and you'll make much more.

I promoted there white lable first with rev share, rep told me to move to pp, then I notice after three months checks stop coming, I was move back to rev share with out a email. I ask the rep why and he never got back to me.

I did a test last year for a whole month. Streamate converts better than pussycash programs.

Was getting about 4 sign ups today with streamate and one a month with pussycash, fuck that.

I agree revshare is the long term way to go with cams, yet I don't call it greedy when a cam program is willing to payout $300 for a $25 spend. I'll take that over revshare all day long, unless of course you know beforehand how shady those programs are with the high promo payouts.

bumpage123

Pussycash is great

Hi all,

We at Pussycash have reviewed this case a few times during the last few days.
We are being accused for not paying, acting in a wrongful manner, and not approving a host fast for adendreams to send his users to our system and let him make money in a way he had structured. All this according to a plan he built, according to his description, and without previously coordinating this with us, which ended in a clear fraud patterns, raising every possible flag of fraud activities in our system.

We are not here to accuse adendreams that his activity is fraud and won't enter into these claims for now.

However, every webmaster is free to choose the systems he prefers to promote and Pussycash may decide to terminate an affiliate account in cases where we suspect his activity is fraudulent or has resulted in fraud patterns that violates our terms of use and/or policies.

adendreams,
let us remind you and all others that tens of thousands of hosts and affiliates are working with our systems and are dependent on them - the same way we are dependent on you. Our highest priority is to ensure the continuity and the integrity of our system - and that is for the benefit of all. For the last ten years we are doing this and paying good money and still do.

Your case is a clear fraudulent activity pattern case.
Out of 20 users who used their cc for the first time, we had to void and/or refund 14 and as a result, all of these guests transactions were cancelled/returned immediately. When such a thing happens, especially with a new affiliate, we suspend the account and this is what happened to you.
When the account is suspended we are freezing the payment for all other sign ups until we are sure they are not fraud. Once this period of time is over you will receive your payout for the valid sign ups you have referred, and even though you were suspended - you will receive it in the terms of the campaign that you were participating.

We appreciate your effort and hope that sometimes in the future we will do better business together.

Any other communication regarding this matter will be done via emails and we will not respond further to this matter on this Forum.

With respect,
Oren

OK so I guess that means I'll eventually get a check for a few hundred?

I do appreciate the business like response to the issue even though it doesn't address WHY the members were cancelled but bored with this thread so we can take it to email.

Yawn

So he likely will be paid PPS for the 6 users that was not void and/or refunded. So, it can not be said, that PC "does not pay", in absolute, here. To me it looks fair enough... as a program I would not pay PPS for voided/refunded sales too, but just for those who sticked. I had a carder even past night (his mail name was "Friendly Carder", quite funny how he didn't hide much), so I understand the need of void/refund quickly all suspicious sales. Sites not doing so, can likely fail financially, and I know some who have.

I see only an issue of communication between affiliate and program, from start when affiliate sets this "special" method without alert PC or read TOS (o no one reads these), then PC who seems did not questioned the affiliate as soon as found the shady pattern (have they?), then here in GFY posts and in skype etc.

This thread delivered, and is not a bitcoins thread.

Sorry about your loss, I will never promote them again after reading this.

Good luck.

Great thread for exposing these big companies offering these insane payouts, Trying to force all of the little guys out of business :thumbsup

Now kindly GFY! :321GFY

:2 cents: Stick to normal payouts or expect trouble.

What was the specific reason you had to void the signups of the 14 members? Was it because as you said earlier in this thread, that they did not actively participate in the site initially and spend their $25 after their signup? Also, how does 6 signups equal $2400 in affiliate earnings?

Revshare for life!

No pps or ppl when it comes to cam, you should know that.

I'm pretty sure they voided the signups immediately as a precautionary mesure to avoid chargebacks.

Usually, card bangers will come in, send almost 1:1 traffic, deposit only the minimums to reach PPS and then take off - leaving the account idle.

A few weeks/months later when the real card owner see's the charges, he calls the bank to charge back. Anyone with a merchant ID will know that this is death for a business, so its better to just void and refund all suspicious charges as a safety precaution.

I'm not saying Aden card banged, it's just that according to the stories, this is what it would look like to someone working in the fraud dept who saw this activity without personally knowing Aden's promotional tactics and the reason why the member's were never active.

Judging by the thread and what Oren said earlier, this isn't what occurred at all. He alluded to Aden's referrals buying the initial $25 credit then not using it and being inactive on the site. This raised fraud flags. Aden's said his models wanted to use Imlive's platform to do privates for their members. His models had to wait extra long in order to get approved as a performer, seems to justify his referrals not making an immediate purchase.

If they had voided those 14 members because of card banging this would be a clear cut case of affiliate fraud, and there is no way PC would still allow the affiliate to send traffic. That is one thing I don't get about this scenario, if PC didn't like Aden's traffic methods why would they still allow him to continue sending traffic even under revshare?

Years ago I promoted imlive on a $100 PPS.
My methods where discussed at length with my rep, then my new rep...all they cared about was "send us sign ups".

I think in total i sent them 24 sign ups.
MY account was red flagged when 2 sign ups didnt spend their credits. *one was a tech error and the user simply couldnt use the site. The other.. i have no idea about, maybe his wife came home..maybe he found god.

Result. No payout for me.

So i played a waiting game. I created a webcam review site, giving glorious reviews to every other camsite...all except imlive. It didnt take long for the bait to be swallowed.

I was contacted by a new rep asking if I would promote imlive.
"sure... give me the 2.4k you owe me and we can climb back into bed again".

I got my $2.4k... and the very next day i closed that review site.

IM still grinning to this day. :) :)

Another GFY hard luck story with a semi-happy ending.

That site is strong with the dark side of the force
http://media.heavy.com/media/2013/04/vadering.gif

This sounds like what happened to Aden.

Lol, that's brilliant. :1orglaugh

I too have been robbed by PussyCash years ago, I didn't know about gfy or any way to get real support for my problem at the time. I was given a boiler plate message after about a week of my pleas for any kind of answer in response to them deciding not to pay out $1000 dollars or so to me.

"Yes, I have been informed that those signups were clearly fraud from many aspects, and it’s obvious the sales weren’t made by real users who wished to use the site.

best,
Asaf"



Nobody has ever accused me of fraud for my traffic in any way before, and I *still* get emails to this day from PC asking me to push more traffic to them. My traffic came exclusively from strangers who followed links because they were interested in the program, no incentives, nothing even marginally close to a TOS violation like the OP in this thread had. It was totally inexplicable and after a while of pestering them more the final response from them was.

"Please contact compliance team, I don’t have any more information, sorry.

best,
Asaf"

I asked them for that contact information, never to hear from them again. I wrote the loss up to experience, I've been pushing essentially the same type of traffic to other affiliates for four years ever since, and it's always been a mutually profitable and pleasant experience for the most part except for that isolated PC incident.

STILL NO PAYMENT

sending my traffic to another cam site and have NEVER had a fraudulent charge, chargeback or any other problem.

Pussycash --->>>:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

A sign of the times.

No surprises here

Agreed, not surprised.

interesting bump