I think you are taking my question wrong. We haven't talked in a while and I have no idea if you started any solo sites with your girls. I can vouch that you are not a fraud, I myself owe a lot to you from when I was getting started.

:)

Put my reading glasses on... PussyCash TOS - fuck busted! Twitter fucked me again.

Thanks Bro! would be good to see you again if you ever get down to Miami or over to LA, (Im back and forth) again hit me up and lets grab a beer :)

I can see both sides of this story. The ridiculous PPS amounts Pussycash offer positively invite fraud, and their fraud department must be extremely overworked and of course will occasionally catch legitimate affiliates in their net.

I can see why they haven't paid out yet, but I don't see why they couldn't just hold commissions pending furter investigations rather than just cancel accounts.

In this case, a fair resolution for me would be if Pussycash approved adendream's performers, unlocked the accounts of the members that signed up but held the PPS payouts for an agreed period (3 to 6 months for example).

This would cover them against this turning out to be the scam that they originally thought it to be but would show them to be fair for other affiliates watching.
:2 cents:

what i don' get is, they say your method is forbidden BUT you can go on if you do it on revshare.
:error LOL

Hope the issue gets resolved..

Yeah, this would have at least been a much fairer way to handle the situation. I think in hindsight Aden probably wishes he would have just waited till his models were approved before he let his members know where the girls would be camming. Although, I'm sure he didn't figure on it taking over 2 weeks to get a camgirl account approved.

I asked the talent how much time they spent in private when they finally got approved on ImLive - the answer:

"About 97 percent of the time"

But the talent is now locked out and and profile deleted. I guess ImLive doesnt like girls who spend 97 percent of their time in private.

I will never promote PussyCash :2 cents:

[QUOTE=Oren-Pcash;19573238]OK adendreams, few more details here (though most of them were told to you by me via chat):

1. You promoted ImLive with type of incentivized traffic and by chat traffic which both are forbidden by us and are against our terms of use,as you confirmed me yourself that your top model sent her ImLive link for users to register via Skype (also,from your descriptions here its obvious you know excatly all your users and have their IM's).

2. With this-no one said or blamed you in Fraud malicious Activity or that your users are not real.

violating a company's TOS in any way gets you banned/dropped/blocked no matter who it is. been there and done that and it's a hard lesson. read the TOS and do not violate in any way if you want to continue doing business with a group. case closed

Wow. This thread made me depressed.

Never used the program, don't know the people, but I do know as an independent affiliate that a TOS is generally written as a long form of "we can terminate you if we feel it's in our best interest" and that, as they say, is that.

I mean just look at the sections that describe ways you may promote in many TOS's. The short form of that is "you must ask us if it's OK to promote us in any way." and again, this is not picking on any one company, read your TOS' people. It's incumbent upon the affiliate to check TOS for changes as well.. what applies today may not apply later today.
:2 cents:

[QUOTE=Imortyl Pussycat;19575026]
Yes one problem though - its not why I got banned - that doesnt occur to you after reading this thread? Oren found out yesterday that I used skype for a few - NOT ALL joins. I told him because there should be nothing wrong with it - just a bunch a blanket rules in their fine print that allow them to ban anyone.

My traffic was solid GOOD PAYING guys - that were simply waiting for my shows to begin - they probably would have SPENT A LOT - just like they do on the other cam sites.

Those rule are in place to prevent abuse - I did no abuse, just brought talent that spends 97 percent time in private.

They banned me for fraud and Oren said several times that it was a "Clear Case" - now they are trying to get out of paying on a meaningless technicality that has NO BEARING on why I was banned.

[QUOTE=Imortyl Pussycat;19575026]How about re reading the thread and telling us all where Aden violated the tos.

Ding ding we have a winner, makes zero sense.

By the way, often the filipino chat traffic guys who I ban from my program, say "but I do all ok in other program", then as proof, sends me screenshots of what they say it is their good results in other programs, with stats; and at least couple of times this was pussycash stats. It was $50 pps's or so, not bigger. Could be it was fake, but if not, I wonder.

[QUOTE=lazycash;19575224]i read this whole thread and see where it shows the traffic sources and what is on the TOS. granted the claim is that even though some things "might" have been against the TOS, that is not what he was told the shut down was from. if the TOS is followed, the arguement from the other side wouldn't exist. this has happened to me as an affiliate with other sponsors (not Pussycash) so all i'm saying is read the fn TOS if you don't want trouble later. work it out boys, there seems to be some good biz that can be done here and still fall in line with the Sponsor's rules.

better programs out there that dont pull tricks, why keep going with them

Again, I've read how Aden sent traffic and read the entire TOS, there was no violation, what are you referring to? They claim he incentivized his traffic to signup, which he didn't. They suspended his account because his signups didn't initially spend so they figured there was some funny business, when in reality the delay stemmed from Pussycash taking too long to approve Aden's models for broadcaster accounts.

we cannot see into the backend to know what set off the red flags so it's easy to take the word of one side over the other. i have no dog in this fight so i wouldn't even guess if there is 100% fault on only one side but it's doubtful. as a sponsor you wouldn't turn such an amazing whale of an affiliate away for no reason at all. some of the mention that he would make too much money is ridiculous, the guy could build up biz huge over years to come and no sponsor shuts that down. it seems like Oren has gone to bat for this affiliate and gotten it reviewed multiple times. in the end i think they will work out a compromise on their issues and live happily ever after. seems a waste for both parties if they do not

You guys aren't fully grasping what happened here. They blocked me and cancelled my members and deleted star webcam talent for only one reason - they thought it was all fraud. That was almost 2 months ago - they never responded to any email or ICQ (other than the short email pasted in this thread) they were never going to respond to me in any way if not for GFY.

I'm sure their staff never even considered for one second that I was anything but a scammer until a couple days ago when I launched this thread. This thread is the only reason they even grasp what happened. NOW that I have proven they were wrong they just figure its too late to go back and are hoping I just go away quietly.

People that know me well know that Im not that quiet of a guy.

Remember that "Curious Cash nonpayment issues" thread? Welcome to Version 2.0

Um, welcome to the world of $300 pps. A sponsor most certainly does try to find a reason to dump an affiliate when they are paying out $300 and only getting $25 back in return. Its not the affiliate's fault, its the sponsor who chooses to create a payout structure (mostly to attract as much cam traffic as they can), then convert to revshare or cancel all the affiliates' who they don't at least breakeven on.

This has been going on between Pussycash and AWE the last few years as each program tries to outdo each other with higher promo payouts. Each program has been pulling underhanded tactics during these high payout promos, it just so happens that Aden exposed PC getting caught trying it on him.

Also, not sure where you got "amazing whale of an affiliate". Aden is owed $2400 which is hardly a whale affiliate and under their high pps, represents only a handful of sales. Oren most certainly did not go to bat for Aden as it took him bringing it to GFY for them to finally respond and even then they don't seem interested in working out a compromise even after Aden explained to them why his referrals were waiting to spend. Having this thread on GFY for a couple weeks will do far more damage than the $2400 they've decided to steal from Aden.

they have a rule where all models work for pennies for the first 40 hours I think...this is the reason for the high % in private...

This is exactly right - without even going to his superiors and saying "I think we made a mistake with this affiliate" and trying to get me paid - He was telling me NO WAY right as soon as I told him the story on Skype:

From Oren on Skype "we cant almost %100 as almost NO ONE spent $ here and the account status is FRAUD-so obvious there is no chance here"

"because of those bad numbers our guys were almost sure all are fraud users which r not real and cant spend the money"

BUT NOW Oren is telling me those SAME MEMBERS are welcome to make a new username and continue on ImLive - in essence admitting their error - but not offering to make any amends. And now only crickets...

Take pussycash banners down until dude get his money

wow.............

youre not getting paid

Crazy. I have a tattoo of this exact image.

i really don't understand why are affiliates so greedy for high pps, get your shit together and work on promoting revshare properly and you'll make much more.

I promoted there white lable first with rev share, rep told me to move to pp, then I notice after three months checks stop coming, I was move back to rev share with out a email. I ask the rep why and he never got back to me.

I did a test last year for a whole month. Streamate converts better than pussycash programs.

Was getting about 4 sign ups today with streamate and one a month with pussycash, fuck that.

I agree revshare is the long term way to go with cams, yet I don't call it greedy when a cam program is willing to payout $300 for a $25 spend. I'll take that over revshare all day long, unless of course you know beforehand how shady those programs are with the high promo payouts.

bumpage123

Pussycash is great

Hi all,

We at Pussycash have reviewed this case a few times during the last few days.
We are being accused for not paying, acting in a wrongful manner, and not approving a host fast for adendreams to send his users to our system and let him make money in a way he had structured. All this according to a plan he built, according to his description, and without previously coordinating this with us, which ended in a clear fraud patterns, raising every possible flag of fraud activities in our system.

We are not here to accuse adendreams that his activity is fraud and won't enter into these claims for now.

However, every webmaster is free to choose the systems he prefers to promote and Pussycash may decide to terminate an affiliate account in cases where we suspect his activity is fraudulent or has resulted in fraud patterns that violates our terms of use and/or policies.

adendreams,
let us remind you and all others that tens of thousands of hosts and affiliates are working with our systems and are dependent on them - the same way we are dependent on you. Our highest priority is to ensure the continuity and the integrity of our system - and that is for the benefit of all. For the last ten years we are doing this and paying good money and still do.

Your case is a clear fraudulent activity pattern case.
Out of 20 users who used their cc for the first time, we had to void and/or refund 14 and as a result, all of these guests transactions were cancelled/returned immediately. When such a thing happens, especially with a new affiliate, we suspend the account and this is what happened to you.
When the account is suspended we are freezing the payment for all other sign ups until we are sure they are not fraud. Once this period of time is over you will receive your payout for the valid sign ups you have referred, and even though you were suspended - you will receive it in the terms of the campaign that you were participating.

We appreciate your effort and hope that sometimes in the future we will do better business together.

Any other communication regarding this matter will be done via emails and we will not respond further to this matter on this Forum.

With respect,
Oren

OK so I guess that means I'll eventually get a check for a few hundred?

I do appreciate the business like response to the issue even though it doesn't address WHY the members were cancelled but bored with this thread so we can take it to email.

Yawn

So he likely will be paid PPS for the 6 users that was not void and/or refunded. So, it can not be said, that PC "does not pay", in absolute, here. To me it looks fair enough... as a program I would not pay PPS for voided/refunded sales too, but just for those who sticked. I had a carder even past night (his mail name was "Friendly Carder", quite funny how he didn't hide much), so I understand the need of void/refund quickly all suspicious sales. Sites not doing so, can likely fail financially, and I know some who have.

I see only an issue of communication between affiliate and program, from start when affiliate sets this "special" method without alert PC or read TOS (o no one reads these), then PC who seems did not questioned the affiliate as soon as found the shady pattern (have they?), then here in GFY posts and in skype etc.

This thread delivered, and is not a bitcoins thread.