50 deaths by breathing air !!!!!

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Wonder what type of gun it was.

And having a loaded gun without the safety on seems a bit off.

Not to mention that a four year old was able to pick it up and pull the trigger. I'm not saying that it's impossible but there are some questions there.

51 canadians complaining about shit that has nothing to do with them. worry about your hockey games & maple syrup supply or whatever it is you morons have going on. we have more important things to worry about like freedom and shit.

quite possibly the stupidest thing you have ever said. Honestly, you arn't that dumb, are you just lonely and needing attention?

Are you trying to make this thread go on for pages and page? :)

of all things that's what you find to be strange? i know a ton of people that keep loaded firearms in bedrooms.

you don't know people who keep guns under their bed or in their closet or something? honestly most people don't own gun safes and if they are going to keep guns anywhere it's going to be in their bedroom somewhere.

franck aren't you like an entire ocean away? like france or italy something? what the fuck business do you even have speaking about guns in america? i'm sure your country is PERFECT am I right? LOL

if we want to accidentally or intentionally kill people with firearms occasionally then that's an american problem. quit shitting on our parade because you're hopeless and bored with your fleshlight...

your incessant negative commentary has become annoying at the very least. i rarely even come around and i've noticed it. i'm sure everyone is tired of reading posts by you that end with the word "idiot" as if you are someone of consequence.

have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up already.

You idiots do realize that it was a Deputy Sheriff showing off his guns right?
NONE of the gun laws would have applied to him. So this tragedy would have happened no matter if the govt. even actually demanded that all citizens turn in their guns. He's a cop.

Just like NONE of the gun laws are going to apply to gangs or criminals either.

The only way to stop a bad 4yr old with a gun is a good 4yr old with a gun... That's the way that argument works right?

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Yeah!

Funny when you think about it how extremely dumb all these standard arguments the gun nutters come up with in every thread are

They actually don't have a clue what they are saying. They don't think. They just blindly repeat that shit over and over again.

and another one ...
Two 4-year-olds, two guns, two fatal shootings

Another tragic incident took place in New Jersey on Monday evening, when a 4-year-old boy accidentally shot a 6-year-old neighbor with a rifle he found in his parents? home.
Police said the two boys were playing with a .22-caliber rifle outside the 4-year-old?s home in Toms River, N.J., when around 7:00 p.m. the gun discharged and struck the 6-year-old in the head, NBCNewYork.com reported.
The 4-year-old's parents reportedly heard the shot and called 911.
According to NBCNewYork.com, the 6-year-old was taken to Jersey Shore Medical Center, where he later died. An investigation is ongoing.

Responsible gun owners. Irresponsible gun owners are the real problem.
Who that might be, i don't know. Because i NEVER met anyone who said he is a irresponsible gun owner.

Let's not forget about how there's no one that's a less then "an above average driver".

My point, is that if every accidental death were reported on national news sources, then the list of things that people would be screaming to be banned would be endless. Pool drownings and poison from cleaning products aren't sexy news, so it doesn't get reported nationally. If it was, there would be a daily list of stories of drowning and poisoned kids filling every news report all day, and I guarantee that you would have masses of people demanding that congress "take action", and there would be special hearings about it, and the parents of the dead children on talk shows, and new laws being passed all over the country. Perception always rules over facts.



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Yup, 9 out of 10 people think they drive better than other people.
That statement is in conflict with itself :)

There is no such thing as a "gun ban".

People supporting "gun bans" are actually saying they only want GOVERNMENTS to have weapons... and we all know how well consolidation of power works out...

Wherever there's a gun, there's undoubtedly more chances of getting shot.

Except in the civil world, police don't take their fucking guns home and stick them in a bedside table. They are kept locked at the police stations.

Do SWAT team members take their weapons home with them? Don't think so, try again!

the things you mention may not get the same attention but they do get reported and laws and practices are put in place to prevent future incidents. laws like requiring a fence around a pool and child proof caps/bottles.

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Yes some people still think they are making excellent points of discussion. Pools kill more kids than guns, should we ban pools too? Fucking retards.

You're wrong, it was because it was his constitutional right. Also to defend himself against the government.

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No seriously...

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Most ignorant post ever?

Freedom and shit.... that post was so dumb it almost seemed sarcastic. Please tell me it was.

The protect from the government one is always good for a few laughs :1orglaugh

If only everyone else was packing, they coulda taken out that 4 year old before he had a chance to kill anyone!

He was probably an al-queda sleeper agent anyways

I'll bet it was a Glock.

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the gun issue is getting out of hand, someone needs to make the first move. The criminals are unreasonable in disarming, so I think the police should be the ones to act. Disarm all cops, the rest of America will follow suit soon after.

It's called COMPASSION. Just because you don't give a fuck about people and kids and violence caused by corporations that trick simple minded people into worrying about freedom doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't.

Why is this your default position on everything? When someone asks a good question or challenges your beliefs, you fall back on telling people to but out instead of presenting a good counter opinion or argument.

Because he's too busy worrying about "freedoms and shit"

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It must be such amazing freedom to own a gun. I have no idea how i can live without one.

Try what again?

I said the exact fact. No gun law has ANY ruling over a police officer. And no cop leaves his weapon at the station. That would be insane and an open invitation for criminals to retaliate against the unarmed cop who busted them before.

The only people who are affected by gun laws are law abiding citizens.
Cops will still have guns (so this tragedy wouldn't have been averted no matter what law was passed).
Criminals will still have guns.

For instance: cocaine has been illegal for decades now in the U.S.
I can score an eight ball in five minutes.

The same with guns. No criminal goes to the gun store, goes through a background check, picks up his registered gun a few days later (after the waiting period) and then goes out and uses that gun to commit a crime.

The only people who go through all that inconvenience and bullshit are law abiding citizens with no criminal intent.

You can also compare it to the stupid 2257 laws. The ONLY people who keep 2257 records are law abiding people shooting legal content.
The FBI will never swoop into an underage pornographers home and find signed 2257 model releases of underage models. lol

It's just something that causes a burden on those of us who haven't and aren't doing anything wrong.

Same with the laws that are being talked about for "gun control".

If you don't want guns...then our Congress needs to repeal the 2nd Amendment. They have the power to do that. THEN the whole constitutional argument is gone and guns can be "controlled" legally.

Until then it's all just bullshit laws that will have no effect at all on gun violence in any way, shape, or form.
And if there is one thing our country doesn't need...it's MORE laws.

I'm willing to bet it was a Glock and the kid just pulled the trigger. For as little as cops actually use their guns they should all be required to use models with actual safety's. My 2 cents …..

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It's crazy to me.

When I was four years old (1965-1966) there were loaded guns EVERYWHERE around me.
My dad kept a loaded shotgun in the house by the front door. He had 2 loaded rifles on his truck gun rack and a loaded pistol in his dashboard.

My grandad had 2 loaded rifles in his gun rack and my grandma kept a loaded shotgun at her home AND their 2nd home on the lake where we went every weekend.

There was never a problem for me or my 2 brothers and 4 cousins.
Why? Because we were taught to shoot those guns.
My dad had a gun in my hand by the time I was four teaching me how to use it.

Of course these days...that kid had no idea what was going to happen when he did what he did.

When I was a kid I would NEVER have grabbed that gun. Nor would any of my friends (we were all raised kind of "country").

We KNEW the power and potential danger of a gun because we shot them out in my dad's pastures all the time.

This part isn't true, in countries where guns (handguns mostly) Are illegal, police do not take them home with them, never ever. Most UK police don't even carry a gun, let alone take one home to let their 4 year old shoot someone with.

Even armed police weapons are stored at the station.

See above, if the weapons are stored at the station, or even better, the cops aren't armed in the first place, this wouldn't have happened.

I see your points here though, can't really argue with that.

Si, I can't comment on the UK because I don't live there.

The gun laws that are being proposed here in the U.S. would not have had any effect on this happening because cops have guns here and wouldn't be under any of the gun control laws.

So you're right. In England the cop wouldn't have been showing off his guns to friends and the kid couldn't have killed anyone accidentally.

But here in the U.S., this would have happened with our without gun control laws.

No way the cops here in the U.S. will ever disarm themselves. lol

They only want to disarm the citizens. (here in Las Vegas by the way...the cops have set a new record for shooting and killing UNARMED citizens over the last year. It's disgusting)

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I see what you mean, I only went to the Boston area once and didn't see anyone except cops carrying. I also witnessed the worst police I have ever seen around that area. For example:

UK: I was pulled over in a friends car by cops doing a spot check and they checked the car over, had a pretty good reason to breathalyzed the driver (I was drinking, probably smelt it) Anyway, he was all good, not over the limit.

Checked the car over, found a problem with one of the tyres that should have meant taking the car off the road (seriously bad bald spot, where it was warping the tyre slightly) but they let him go, gave him a ticket to get it fixed and MOTd (inspected) then take it to the cop shop to get the ticket taken care of (no fee it was like a stop order kind of thing)

Not excactly the best way to end a night out, but they were nice enough and understanding.

US Boston area: Driving around Salem I watched this car pull onto the wrong side of the road very slightly before making a left turn. Didn't look unsafe or anything, nothing was coming the other way. Probably not excaclty a legal move, but it wasn't that bad at all.

Next thing this cop car about 2 cars behind, must have spotted this, lights go on along with the siren briefly, does the same thing the driver has just done and stops the car to pull them over.

From where I was sitting, looked extremely over the top and pretty pathetic, wouldn't surprise me (but I wouldn't know) if the cop was an asshole and treated the driver like shit.

Also noticed a similar incident around Peabody, a cop car pulling someone over for doing pretty much nothing. Same thing with the cop car buzzing its siren and lights going on etc.

Was just thinking about US after reading your bit about Vegas. Didn't know that! that sucks man :Oh crap pretty shocking. I think if they do anything cops should follow suit.

And the cops don't just kill unarmed civilians...they also kill their families and themselves:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas-c...6#.UWXzhFeyI8w

That happened in Jan of this year.

Seems like these days you NEED a gun to protect yourself against the cops. :(

no way! did you use google to figure that out?? :helpme

No. I'm assuming it was a Glock because of the unique safety or lack there of safety system. No way a 4 year old would have thumbed the safety off on my H&K for instance.

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That Dorner (was that his name?) was a cop who (apparently) went mental aswell wasn't he? I don't know, but to me it seems all this "we need a gun to protect ourselves" stuff doesn't work to be honest. I think that is where the European, Perhaps Canadian and probably even Asian view comes from.

All the people kill people stuff is a logical, but it is a lot harder without weapons, and people think twice. I know people like to point out the violent crime rate in the UK, but there are fewer people dying per population.

And I don't think I've ever heard of a murder suicide with a knife or a crowbar or whatever. I have heard of jumping of a building or whatever, and I think there have been a few car related ones.

Most recently the Philpott trial is kind of similar, but a fire gone wrong.

We've got a long way to go anyway, problems tend to get resolved in the end.

Yet they continue to happen. Day after day after day.

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also we came from a non time out world. it was you touch what you arent supposed your ass will be beat. A great motivator. lol