It's called COMPASSION. Just because you don't give a fuck about people and kids and violence caused by corporations that trick simple minded people into worrying about freedom doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't.

Why is this your default position on everything? When someone asks a good question or challenges your beliefs, you fall back on telling people to but out instead of presenting a good counter opinion or argument.

Because he's too busy worrying about "freedoms and shit"

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It must be such amazing freedom to own a gun. I have no idea how i can live without one.

Try what again?

I said the exact fact. No gun law has ANY ruling over a police officer. And no cop leaves his weapon at the station. That would be insane and an open invitation for criminals to retaliate against the unarmed cop who busted them before.

The only people who are affected by gun laws are law abiding citizens.
Cops will still have guns (so this tragedy wouldn't have been averted no matter what law was passed).
Criminals will still have guns.

For instance: cocaine has been illegal for decades now in the U.S.
I can score an eight ball in five minutes.

The same with guns. No criminal goes to the gun store, goes through a background check, picks up his registered gun a few days later (after the waiting period) and then goes out and uses that gun to commit a crime.

The only people who go through all that inconvenience and bullshit are law abiding citizens with no criminal intent.

You can also compare it to the stupid 2257 laws. The ONLY people who keep 2257 records are law abiding people shooting legal content.
The FBI will never swoop into an underage pornographers home and find signed 2257 model releases of underage models. lol

It's just something that causes a burden on those of us who haven't and aren't doing anything wrong.

Same with the laws that are being talked about for "gun control".

If you don't want guns...then our Congress needs to repeal the 2nd Amendment. They have the power to do that. THEN the whole constitutional argument is gone and guns can be "controlled" legally.

Until then it's all just bullshit laws that will have no effect at all on gun violence in any way, shape, or form.
And if there is one thing our country doesn't need...it's MORE laws.

I'm willing to bet it was a Glock and the kid just pulled the trigger. For as little as cops actually use their guns they should all be required to use models with actual safety's. My 2 cents …..

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It's crazy to me.

When I was four years old (1965-1966) there were loaded guns EVERYWHERE around me.
My dad kept a loaded shotgun in the house by the front door. He had 2 loaded rifles on his truck gun rack and a loaded pistol in his dashboard.

My grandad had 2 loaded rifles in his gun rack and my grandma kept a loaded shotgun at her home AND their 2nd home on the lake where we went every weekend.

There was never a problem for me or my 2 brothers and 4 cousins.
Why? Because we were taught to shoot those guns.
My dad had a gun in my hand by the time I was four teaching me how to use it.

Of course these days...that kid had no idea what was going to happen when he did what he did.

When I was a kid I would NEVER have grabbed that gun. Nor would any of my friends (we were all raised kind of "country").

We KNEW the power and potential danger of a gun because we shot them out in my dad's pastures all the time.

This part isn't true, in countries where guns (handguns mostly) Are illegal, police do not take them home with them, never ever. Most UK police don't even carry a gun, let alone take one home to let their 4 year old shoot someone with.

Even armed police weapons are stored at the station.

See above, if the weapons are stored at the station, or even better, the cops aren't armed in the first place, this wouldn't have happened.

I see your points here though, can't really argue with that.

Si, I can't comment on the UK because I don't live there.

The gun laws that are being proposed here in the U.S. would not have had any effect on this happening because cops have guns here and wouldn't be under any of the gun control laws.

So you're right. In England the cop wouldn't have been showing off his guns to friends and the kid couldn't have killed anyone accidentally.

But here in the U.S., this would have happened with our without gun control laws.

No way the cops here in the U.S. will ever disarm themselves. lol

They only want to disarm the citizens. (here in Las Vegas by the way...the cops have set a new record for shooting and killing UNARMED citizens over the last year. It's disgusting)

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I see what you mean, I only went to the Boston area once and didn't see anyone except cops carrying. I also witnessed the worst police I have ever seen around that area. For example:

UK: I was pulled over in a friends car by cops doing a spot check and they checked the car over, had a pretty good reason to breathalyzed the driver (I was drinking, probably smelt it) Anyway, he was all good, not over the limit.

Checked the car over, found a problem with one of the tyres that should have meant taking the car off the road (seriously bad bald spot, where it was warping the tyre slightly) but they let him go, gave him a ticket to get it fixed and MOTd (inspected) then take it to the cop shop to get the ticket taken care of (no fee it was like a stop order kind of thing)

Not excactly the best way to end a night out, but they were nice enough and understanding.

US Boston area: Driving around Salem I watched this car pull onto the wrong side of the road very slightly before making a left turn. Didn't look unsafe or anything, nothing was coming the other way. Probably not excaclty a legal move, but it wasn't that bad at all.

Next thing this cop car about 2 cars behind, must have spotted this, lights go on along with the siren briefly, does the same thing the driver has just done and stops the car to pull them over.

From where I was sitting, looked extremely over the top and pretty pathetic, wouldn't surprise me (but I wouldn't know) if the cop was an asshole and treated the driver like shit.

Also noticed a similar incident around Peabody, a cop car pulling someone over for doing pretty much nothing. Same thing with the cop car buzzing its siren and lights going on etc.

Was just thinking about US after reading your bit about Vegas. Didn't know that! that sucks man :Oh crap pretty shocking. I think if they do anything cops should follow suit.

And the cops don't just kill unarmed civilians...they also kill their families and themselves:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas-c...6#.UWXzhFeyI8w

That happened in Jan of this year.

Seems like these days you NEED a gun to protect yourself against the cops. :(

no way! did you use google to figure that out?? :helpme

No. I'm assuming it was a Glock because of the unique safety or lack there of safety system. No way a 4 year old would have thumbed the safety off on my H&K for instance.

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That Dorner (was that his name?) was a cop who (apparently) went mental aswell wasn't he? I don't know, but to me it seems all this "we need a gun to protect ourselves" stuff doesn't work to be honest. I think that is where the European, Perhaps Canadian and probably even Asian view comes from.

All the people kill people stuff is a logical, but it is a lot harder without weapons, and people think twice. I know people like to point out the violent crime rate in the UK, but there are fewer people dying per population.

And I don't think I've ever heard of a murder suicide with a knife or a crowbar or whatever. I have heard of jumping of a building or whatever, and I think there have been a few car related ones.

Most recently the Philpott trial is kind of similar, but a fire gone wrong.

We've got a long way to go anyway, problems tend to get resolved in the end.

Yet they continue to happen. Day after day after day.

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also we came from a non time out world. it was you touch what you arent supposed your ass will be beat. A great motivator. lol

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