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DBS.US 04-13-2013 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19577057)
Yahoo news Saturday;

"Bitcoin?s Value Drops 80 Percent In 24 Hours"


http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/advis...--finance.html


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It appeared that the currency?s price was becoming increasingly overvalued as a result of hoarding by speculators and short-term traders. A few saw signs of a massive bubble ready to burst, and some grew weary when the U.S. Treasury announced in March it would explore new laws to regulate Bitcoin.
What?s in store for Bitcoin in the future? It appears governments around the world are ready to step in.

- Jesus Christ - 04-13-2013 09:17 PM

The tactic all anti-bitcoin people is to repeat disingenuous assessments then make threats of violence via government.

When your approach is lie then pull a gun don't be shocked when guns get pulled on you in self defense.

dyna mo 04-13-2013 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 19577063)
It appears governments around the world are ready to step in.

that couldn't be farther from the truth.
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Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ - (Post 19577066)
The tactic all anti-bitcoin people is to repeat disingenuous assessments then make threats of violence via government.

When your approach is lie then pull a gun don't be shocked when guns get pulled on you in self defense.

it really is getting old, ithought for a while that the facts of the matter would catch up to them but that's not happening.

dyna mo 04-13-2013 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19577057)
Yahoo news Saturday;

"Bitcoin?s Value Drops 80 Percent In 24 Hours"


http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/advis...--finance.html


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that article is rife with inaccuracies and incorrect information.

Webmaster Advertising 04-13-2013 09:27 PM

I view the anti-bitcoin crowd just like I do the vast majority of republicans...

Full of shit and will say whatever they want to get people to agree with them irrespective of truth or factual accuracy.

L-Pink 04-13-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19577074)
that article is rife with inaccuracies and incorrect information.

I should have referenced the same post you did, see below, Not only was it on TV but lead page on yahoo news as well. To the casual viewer/reader it looked like a stock collapse.

"Originally Posted by Helix
I really don't know but I had the television on today and there was a mention of bitcoin and the volatility of late and how unstable it was."


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dyna mo 04-13-2013 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19577082)
I should have referenced the same post you did, see below, Not only was it on TV but lead page on yahoo news as well. To the casual viewer/reader it looked like a stock collapse.

"Originally Posted by Helix
I really don't know but I had the television on today and there was a mention of bitcoin and the volatility of late and how unstable it was."


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ah, i see, thx for the clarification. that article reminded me of the news coverage of the winklevoss's *massive loss* in btc.

Dirty F 04-14-2013 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by adulttraffic (Post 19576990)
If its posted on the internet it must be true. They cant post anything that isn't true on the internet.

You're right. It must be a lie. I think they make closer to 1k a day. That makes more sense. They are just doing 15k trades a day and control only 80% of the bitcoin trades which are worth 100's of millions.
Any more tips? I want to learn from you.

Dirty F 04-14-2013 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19577074)
that article is rife with inaccuracies and incorrect information.

You must know by now the haters have no clue how it works. They just keep repeating the same shit over and over again hoping it will go away. And it drives them nuts that it doesn't.

NiXXiN 04-14-2013 01:19 AM

DirtyF cant wait til u get your rig setup man

Dirty F 04-14-2013 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NiXXiN (Post 19577193)
DirtyF cant wait til u get your rig setup man

Tbh i might not do it. I'm really not sure if it's worth my time. When the coin was worth 270 it was worth it but now? What are you making? 10 bucks a day?
Now the coin will get worth more again but it's easier for me to buy now it's cheap than to wait for it till it's 250 again and start mining.

NiXXiN 04-14-2013 01:39 AM

true that, yeh it was an unfortuante time to buy your gear, are you gonna get your money back on it? prolly make more bitcoins buying and selling

Dirty F 04-14-2013 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NiXXiN (Post 19577201)
true that, yeh it was an unfortuante time to buy your gear, are you gonna get your money back on it? prolly make more bitcoins buying and selling

Yeah, i can return everything.
I think i'm gonna do that.
If it's worth it again in the future i simply buy it again.

NiXXiN 04-14-2013 01:48 AM

yeh or just go with an asic system, prolly worth it in the long run.

NiXXiN 04-14-2013 01:59 AM



You can see the transaction that turned the market around.
261383 BTC for 0.01$.
5 minutes later the price is 15+$/BTC.
That guy just made 4M$ in 5 minutes.

Dirty F 04-14-2013 02:43 AM

You can see the transaction that turned the market around.
261383 BTC for 0.01$.
5 minutes later the price is 15+$/BTC.
That guy just made 4M$ in 5 minutes.[/QUOTE]

Haha wtf? That's crazy.

Google Expert 04-14-2013 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NiXXiN (Post 19577212)

You can see the transaction that turned the market around.
261383 BTC for 0.01$.
5 minutes later the price is 15+$/BTC.
That guy just made 4M$ in 5 minutes.

He hasn't made shit unless he can cash it out. Which he can't.

NiXXiN 04-14-2013 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by M.A+ (Post 19577229)
He hasn't made shit unless he can cash it out. Which he can't.

its not that hard bro, when u wanna sell you have two options, set your price and wait or click market order and what ever the price is at the time it will sell within seconds and funds will be in your account, from there you can send that money anywhere.

Dirty F 04-14-2013 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NiXXiN (Post 19577239)
its not that hard bro, when u wanna sell you have two options, set your price and wait or click market order and what ever the price is at the time it will sell within seconds and funds will be in your account, from there you can send that money anywhere.

Put that clueless imbecile on ignore like i did a long time ago already :1orglaugh

It drives him nuts :1orglaugh

NiXXiN 04-14-2013 03:04 AM


Google Expert 04-14-2013 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiXXiN (Post 19577239)
its not that hard bro, when u wanna sell you have two options, set your price and wait or click market order and what ever the price is at the time it will sell within seconds and funds will be in your account, from there you can send that money anywhere.

click where? everything is down

and even then there's 100x people wanting to dump than buy

NiXXiN 04-14-2013 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by M.A+ (Post 19577245)
click where? everything is down

and even then there's 100x people wanting to dump than buy

ok so i answered your first questions, lets move onto your other ones.

yeah there is downtime in the peak of ddos, and it sucks. but 99.9% of the time its available.

At the moment there is a massive amount of people still buying bitcoin and yes a lot of people are selling, but there is still activity and thats the main thing, if anything this recent crash got out a lot of week traders who got spooked. its been pretty stable at around $100 and thats a good sign, remember its very very early on in the life of bitcoin.

AdultPornMasta 04-14-2013 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 19577063)
It appeared that the currency?s price was becoming increasingly overvalued as a result of hoarding by speculators and short-term traders. A few saw signs of a massive bubble ready to burst, and some grew weary when the U.S. Treasury announced in March it would explore new laws to regulate Bitcoin.
What?s in store for Bitcoin in the future? It appears governments around the world are ready to step in.

Good luck with that one.

:2 cents:

mafia_man 04-14-2013 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19576725)
From 120 dollars to 80 because of your shitty servers.
100k profit a day and they can't manage to set up servers that handle a few 1000 trades.
These idiots are killing Bitcoin!

Every fucking time it goes up their servers go down. Either by ddos or their c64 servers.

It's so fucking annoying to see this happen over and over again.

Mt Gox is the natural monopoly that occurs when you have free-market economics.

Paul 04-14-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta (Post 19577002)
And governments would do that just how?

Seriously, I am looking for your input on this matter.

Charging Bitcoin exchange owners with money laundering most likely :disgust

This was posted on Reddit explaining the lag on Mt.Gox

Quote:

I'm not perfect on the details, but what I've picked up from lots of lurking is that:

? MTGOX's trade matching algorithm is slow in that when a (non-market) bid comes, it has to cycle through all of the asks to see if one matches. And vice versa for the asks. This means that the more bids and asks there are, the slower things are.

? When things lag out too much, people panic and sell because they don't have faith in MtGox, which causes the price to drop.

? In this way, there's an incentive for manipulators to create lag: let the price pick up a bit, sell all their coins, place buy orders at a lower price, then lag gox to all hell so that everyone else sells and the price drops and they get cheap coins.

? Placing lots of tiny orders helps skew the 'last' price creating a ladder to lower prices - instead of one big trade causing a momentary dip and then possibly surging right back, the fact that there's lag means a bunch of people will sell at MARKET (e.g. last) price. So if you create a ladder of tiny transactions from 100.1, 100, 99.5, 99, 98.5, and so on, if people blindly hit sell during the lag you've created, they follow your price path downwards, which sustains support for these lowered prices while lag persists.

keysync 04-14-2013 09:55 AM

I've been trading on BTC-E they seem to be pretty stable.

Paul 04-14-2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by keysync (Post 19577611)
I've been trading on BTC-E they seem to be pretty stable.

Do you trust them? I've read a lot of bad experiences with BTC-E from users.

What other exchanges trade Litecoins apart from BTC-E?

Dirty F 04-17-2013 06:40 AM

Can you believe these monkeys STILL didn't fix their shit?
There is still a huge lag!
How is this possible? Can someone tell me that?
How can a company that makes 100k a day not solve this?

NiXXiN 04-17-2013 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19582180)
Can you believe these monkeys STILL didn't fix their shit?
There is still a huge lag!
How is this possible? Can someone tell me that?
How can a company that makes 100k a day not solve this?

Max keiser will be releasing his own exchange and I can't wait for that, mt gox currently has a flawed system in sooo many fucking ways. Say someone puts a sell or buy order at 0.00005 and it goes into a line of orders first in first come basis that overrides an order at 6.00000000.

Paul 04-18-2013 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19582180)
Can you believe these monkeys STILL didn't fix their shit?
There is still a huge lag!
How is this possible? Can someone tell me that?
How can a company that makes 100k a day not solve this?

Most people on forums are saying only sell at Mt Gox, don't buy there due to their incompetence and what NiXXiN has posted below.

Another thing that annoys me, verification. They've got backlogs of weeks now.

Why not implement a system like Bitcoins.de & Paypal have, a small amount of ? are sent to your bank account with a code, you confirm the code on their site and your bank account is verified! Simples!

Have any of you tried taking money out from Mt Gox? A lot of people are angry because it's taking weeks, again silly amounts of backlogs that's not acceptable.

If I had money in Mt Gox and wanted it out fast, I think I'd take a flight to Japan and visit their offices!

Dirty F 04-18-2013 03:42 AM

They were down again today.

Once again, i understand they are growing like crazy but they also make money like crazy and should be able to hire plenty of people just for the verification part.

SexyCreativity 04-18-2013 04:06 AM

Bitcoin has been pretty interesting to follow over the last month. Anyone here that follows HN/Ycombinator might find a post by PG interesting. It's titled: "Ask HN: Why would a government have created bitcoin?" Sorry can't post URLs yet. - Kind of surprised me that PG has little conspiracy theory spinning in that brain of his.

*note - not trying to get around rules or anything (no affiliate with HN, simply think it contributes to the discussion)*

Dirty F 04-18-2013 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SexyCreativity (Post 19583902)
Bitcoin has been pretty interesting to follow over the last month. Anyone here that follows HN/Ycombinator might find a post by PG interesting. It's titled: "Ask HN: Why would a government have created bitcoin?" Sorry can't post URLs yet. - Kind of surprised me that PG has little conspiracy theory spinning in that brain of his.

*note - not trying to get around rules or anything (no affiliate with HN, simply think it contributes to the discussion)*

What the hell are you talking about?

Dirty F 04-18-2013 06:09 AM

MtGox
UPDATE: We are waiting for technical confirmation, but it appears to be another strong DDos attack. We are attacked daily, but very soon we will be transitioning to a better service that will be a major improvement. Just getting ready for implementation.
Like · · Share · 24124 · 27 minutes ago ·

Yup, because it was close to reaching 100 dollars again. So time for certain people to destroy things again.

dyna mo 04-18-2013 06:13 AM

they can't even get ddos protection, nutty, they are partnered with prolexic, the best of the best on that. wow.

Paul 04-18-2013 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19584066)
MtGox
UPDATE: We are waiting for technical confirmation, but it appears to be another strong DDos attack. We are attacked daily, but very soon we will be transitioning to a better service that will be a major improvement. Just getting ready for implementation.

Meanwhile this is what Bitcoin.de are implementing

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If all works out according to plan we'll sign the contract in appr. three to four weeks. Keep your fingers crossed! Simultaneously we're going to prepare the technical details to get bitcoin.de hooked up with the bank's IT system. We also talked about the possibilities for our european users of bitcoin.de to open an account at this bank. We can't promise anything at the time of this writing but this could be HUGE!

Dirty F 04-18-2013 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 19584164)
Meanwhile this is what Bitcoin.de are implementing

Yeah just read that :thumbsup

SexyCreativity 04-18-2013 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19583904)
What the hell are you talking about?

PG = Paul Graham, pretty influential guy in the tech scene right now, and he thinks perhaps a government created bitcoin. One of his theories is that maybe a government created it to destabilize currency in nations. Interesting, that's all.

Dirty F 04-18-2013 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SexyCreativity (Post 19584208)
PG = Paul Graham, pretty influential guy in the tech scene right now, and he thinks perhaps a government created bitcoin. One of his theories is that maybe a government created it to destabilize currency in nations. Interesting, that's all.

And you expect us to know what or who pg is :)

dyna mo 04-18-2013 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SexyCreativity (Post 19584208)
PG = Paul Graham, pretty influential guy in the tech scene right now, and he thinks perhaps a government created bitcoin. One of his theories is that maybe a government created it to destabilize currency in nations. Interesting, that's all.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

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History is in the making. Although this is not a major announcement pertaining to Bitcoin directly, today may be one of the most historic days in the life of the crypto currency. Today, it was announced that YCombinator, the biggest and most well known technology incubator, has funded a Bitcoin startup.

What does this mean?
This means that Paul Graham, who is one of the most respected and influential early stage investors in the industry, has just indirectly endorsed Bitcoin. Like any startup investor, Paul Graham takes risks when he invests in startups. However, with Bitcoin startups, there is a double risk as one bets on both Bitcoin as well as the startup itself, not to mention money transmitter licensing issues. This means Paul Graham must consider Bitcoin legitimate enough that he is willing to take that risk.

Paul Graham is currently the third major technology investor to show support for Bitcoin. The first was Fred Wilson of Union Square Ventures, and the second major investor was Tim Draper.

Furthermore, Bitcoin may now have the support of the YCombinator family and network which consists of hundreds of startups and investors. This is the kind of support that could be crucial for Bitcoin to be adopted.

SexyCreativity 04-18-2013 07:38 AM

My bad :P One of those things where I see an acronym every day I assume other people know it too lol

icu33774 04-18-2013 07:40 AM

Need another massive drop again today :)

Paul 04-18-2013 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SexyCreativity (Post 19584208)
PG = Paul Graham, pretty influential guy in the tech scene right now, and he thinks perhaps a government created bitcoin. One of his theories is that maybe a government created it to destabilize currency in nations. Interesting, that's all.

Entirely possible...

Governments have wanted to get rid of paper currency for some time now, create a digital one and let it's users embrace it and watch it become more and more popular.

Remember we had national ID cards as a government proposal in the UK & EU pre 2005 and how much people campaigned against it. Then along came Facebook & Twitter a few years later and the death of privacy as most people where more than happy to share every detail of their lives with the entire world via their Facebook Wall or Tweets.

Now all intelligence agencies have teams dedicated to spying on people of interest through social media.

dyna mo 04-18-2013 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19584219)
And you expect us to know what or who pg is :)

i found the original discussion

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5547423

Dirty F 04-18-2013 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19584222)
:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Damn, that sounds awesome!

BlackCrayon 04-18-2013 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 19584238)
Entirely possible...

Governments have wanted to get rid of paper currency for some time now, create a digital one and let it's users embrace it and watch it become more and more popular.

Remember we had national ID cards as a government proposal in the UK & EU pre 2005 and how much people campaigned against it. Then along came Facebook & Twitter a few years later and the death of privacy as most people where more than happy to share every detail of their lives with the entire world via their Facebook Wall or Tweets.

Now all intelligence agencies have teams dedicated to spying on people of interest through social media.

i was thinking of this the other day, how we are being conditioned to volunteer what we do, when we do it and where we do it all day every day and its only going to increase with every generation. i am no conspiracy theorist but its a pretty ingenious plan and if it wasn't a plan, a very sweet deal for them to just happen. however bitcoins are so popular in part because they are anonymous, so if they can't be tracked then where is the benefit?

dyna mo 04-18-2013 07:49 AM

I've long suspected bitcoin was created by a government. Bulletproof protocols usually require peer review, yet there have been zero leaks from the reviewers. Pools of crypto guys who don't leak stuff are usually employed by governments.
The part that puzzles me is why a government would do this. I can imagine several possibilities:

1. To finance their own black operations.

2. Because they thought digital currencies were inevitable, and they preferred bitcoin to some potentially more malevolent form. (Could bitcoin have been worse from a government's point of view?)

3. A friend suggested this: because they felt their currency would never become the standard reserve currency, and they felt it was better that no one's be if theirs couldn't be.

4. A variant of the above: the US did it because it seemed inevitable that the dollar would eventually lose its place as the standard reserve currency, and better to have it replaced by bitcoin that the yuan.

I realize some of these explanations are pretty far fetched, but so is an individual cooking up bitcoin as an intellectual exercise. Whatever the explanation of bitcoin's origin turns out to be, it will probably be pretty weird.

SexyCreativity 04-18-2013 07:53 AM

Yeah, really interesting how things have changed. I remember 15 years ago most people wouldn't even want to put their full name on the internet. Now with the explosion of social media, many people have no problem sharing every little detail about their life. Very interesting how things have changed.

L-Pink 04-18-2013 07:55 AM

It's a Chinese plot.

dyna mo 04-18-2013 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19584245)
i was thinking of this the other day, how we are being conditioned to volunteer what we do, when we do it and where we do it all day every day and its only going to increase with every generation. i am no conspiracy theorist but its a pretty ingenious plan and if it wasn't a plan, a very sweet deal for them to just happen. however bitcoins are so popular in part because they are anonymous, so if they can't be tracked then where is the benefit?

i'm not so sure it is fully anon. i've been trying to understand that better, but each and every transaction on the chain is publicly viewable, every one. i've read that can be backtraced :winkwink: in some way to glean infos. i don't know how accurate that is but it is something i've come across


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