Fiddy Alex Jones lies and distortions.

Ok so we are threading needles here. Yes, sometimes what is labeled as freedom of expression goes beyond what most would tolerate as being freedom of speech.

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who's more dramatical?

That lady in the video is annoying as all hell. She totally ruins an otherwise hilarious confrontation.

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i agree, it is threading needles, to me, words in this case are important. that's where i was coming from. at the same time, i also have to disagree with some fancy philosopher telling me that if i don't accept everyone's behavior then i don't accept any behavior.

that really is not how the world works, right? you see what i am getting at? human nature is a bizarre mix, it doesn't happen in a vacuum i guess is what i figure. :)

I agree.

Mind you, I understand completely the anger the guy feels, but he's mishandling the situation. The moment you start throwing personal insults around your arguments lose credibility.

And yeah, freedom of speech means the paranoid-schizophrenic crowd has as much right to express their loony-tunes views as I have a right to pick them apart and ridicule them. Freedom of speech is not a pick-and-choose buffet. But keep it civil and polite and you'll have the high ground.

Then again, if my home-town was bombed and some assholes came to profiteer from it I'd like to think I'd handle it better but I, like that guy, are only human.

There's a difference between speech and behavior... the 1st Amendment is supposed to protect Americans' right to freedom of speech, maybe that's not how the "world" works, but that's how it works here...

We all have the right to say whatever the fuck we want (can't threaten to kill people etc) so just deal with it and quit arguing and whining about it... it's a good thing, you should be proud of your rights...

Ya because you would have protected your home from the troops right? Barricaded yourself in? Shot at them? Thrown a floppy disk at them? Or maybe some witty internet diss? You fucking tough guy, you.

And Boston != Watertown. You fucking clown.

i'm not sure what you are getting at here, could you rephrase? thx

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fuck, i was hoping you wouldn't find that 1!

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It was a trap, the guy didn't fall for it, well done to him :thumbsup

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I completely believe in freedom of speech. However, if you get on a live radio show listened by hundreds of thousand of people and say "Rochard planted a bomb that killed three people" that's slander. There are laws against this.

And this is what Alex Jones is doing - He's passing him off as a radio show personality and saying that the FBI planted bombs in Boston.

Well said.

The thing I don't understand is, why the potty mouth even bothers watching / listening to Alex Jones if it bothers him so much that it builds until he reacts like that. It is 100000x easier just to not listen to him at all.

I still think he was baiting him and wanting a confrontation of some kind.

Ever wonder why they have not sued him yet? He says stuff about them (all gov agencies) all the time. Crazy stuff.

Just throwing this out there, but could it be possible that he actually is right about a few things and they know that if it goes to court some of the things they have covered up in the past will be exposed? The last thing they need is to vindicate Alex Jones with confirmation and hard proof he was right about a few things. Think about it. He may not be right this time, but there is a reason they have not taken him to the woodshed yet.

alex jones' message is built on fear. fear of the worst kind, there are free speech laws against fear based statements.

The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic. [...] The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.

On one hand you say "we can say whatever the fuck we want" but then you say "can't threaten to kill people". You seem to understand that there are limitations on what you can and cannot say. You cannot threaten people, you cannot yell fire in the movies, and you cannot falsely accuse people (or government agencies) of committing crimes.

If Alex Jones comes out and says "The FBI planted bombs in Boston that killed people" he can be charged with slander because he is making a false accusation.

the only reason this makes sense is because of how well-written it is. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

To be fair, almost all news networks are based on fear and nonsense these days. He is just a little over the top.

One cannot defame the U.S. government; as a matter of law, it simply isn't possible.

The government can't sue Jones, even if everything he has ever said about it is untrue.

As the court once wrote (in City of Chicago v. Tribune Co.): "no court of last resort in this country has ever held, or even suggested, that prosecutions for libel on government have any place in the American system of jurisprudence."

So.... no; it's not because anything Alex Jones has ever said is true. ;-)

I doubt that. Haven't various groups already sued the US government over 9/11?

I honestly believe our government lies to us on a regular basis - I do. And there is honest to god proof of this too - The secret bombing of Cambodia is classic example of this. You damn well know we were lied to about JFk if only because of the magic bullet. I don't think we were lied to about the Gulf Of Tonkin incident; I think the US Navy was told to put military pressure on Vietnam until they fired and then we fired back. For the love of god I have no idea what happened during the USS Liberty incident but you damn well know something was covered up.

Our government lies to us all the time.

But they didn't lie to us about 9/11 - I'm pretty confident Bush didn't WANT to invade Afghanistan - and if there was a conspiracy the US government would have figured it out and exposed it. I also don't believe the FBI bombed it's own citizens, or that the US government was involved in any way - for what reason would the FBI bomb it's own citizens?

Keep in mind that Alex Jones makes ALL of his money from peddling such nonsense.

We live in a crazy world, ya never know.

maybe that's why i thought there was some truth to your statement, a crazy world. i wonder if he's ever said anything re: the government that is actionable.

but obviously we can all sue the shit out of each other on a whim if we have the resources. and they've got resources!

I agree with the right to tell Mr. Asshat Pissflaps to go drink a dick and crawl up someones ass in Alabama.

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Learn something new every day. I didn't know that.

I don't think the FBI bombed Boston (though some of the story is sketchy), but what you said is exactly why these theories run wild. Because lies have been told, we never know what is the truth. You, me, and even Quentin (who just schooled my ass) only know what we are told through media outlets and public documents. We're all "out of the loop" and have no idea what really goes on, good or bad. I like to use the analogy of a cheating wife. Once you catch her cheating, every time she is an hour late, you're going to be convinced she is sucking a cock somewhere even if she's not.

No one wants to believe their government would do such things, but history is full of examples where governments did exactly that. Thus the conspiracy theorists rage on and it is easy for guys like Alex Jones to make a damn good living doing what he does.

I believe that's because what he's doing isn't considered news reporting but entertainment.

And because it's entertainment he can say whatever crazy shit-popsicle-eating lunatic scenario pops into that bell-fry head of his and his gang of retarded monkeys.

It's the same as if I got a radio show and started saying "THE DEATH STAR WAS AN INSIDE JOB. ALDERAAN WAS A FALSE FLAG OPERATION. THE FORCE IS A LIE PERPETUATED BY THE JEDI".

People choose to buy into my lunatic ravings well, it's on them.

And most importantly, people listen. And listeners means money, and baby it's all about them benjamins. Paranoia is a big business and business is GOOD.

Exactly. Slap some tits on them and welcome to my world.

All news networks now do this on a regular basis. They hype everything to get your attention and keep you.

But most people don't know the difference between entertainment and real reporting. And that's the problem.

there ya go, thanks for that. :)

Alex Jones' doesn't even believe what he says. It's a character he plays to make money. Pure and simple.

The problem is all of his dipshit followers believe him.

Wow...listening to that guy bully that cameraman is disgusting.

What an asshole. It's the United States. And the guy bullying him is telling him that he isn't free to be there and have an opinion?

So let me get it straight...the one cameraman is there working for a talk show host who has a theory that the govt. is involved.
And then you get some other guy cursing him out and trying to deny him the freedom of having a different thought and trying to bully him out of the city?

WTF?

Sorry, I can't stand bullies. And theoretically the whole concept of The United States is FREEDOM. Including the right to express an opinion no matter how controversial, distasteful, or even wrong.

Arguing with the guy is one thing. Asking him why he's in "your neighborhood", like this punk owns the fucking street, is just being a bully and un-American.

The thing about alex jones is its not a theory to them. its what happened. the have proof. even the camera guy says so. i also wonder if this guy with the infowars mic and camera was the same guy representing infowars shouting over all other reporters questions at a media briefing right after the bombing that it was a false flag.

i can see why people would be upset with them, especially if they are from boston but this kid was doing it just so he could put it up on youtube and get attention.

Yeah, the kid doing that could give two shits about what that cameraman says or does. He was definitely doing it for attention. And he got it. :(

If that guy had lost a family member or friend then yeah...he MIGHT have been legit upset (though why anybody would be upset over the suggestion of the fucking FBI doing shady shit is beyond me...they have a history of it).

But I doubt very seriously that anybody who truly was emotionally invested in what happened that day (and you would think that every person who lives in Boston suddenly was...even though the Marathon itself is just a tourist event that people who actually live there avoid) would have acted out that way this kid did.

I like you.

Looks like a young Bruce Willis.

But they don't have proof. They take a photograph, point out something suspicious, and calling it truth. They don't need proof; All they need to do is create doubt and claim it's the truth.

As true as that may be, that's the price we have to pay for freedom of expression. I know it sucks, but whoever said life was a bed of roses and double rainbows?

What would be the alternative? Censoring him?

"We don't like the kray kray you putting on on Mr. so we shutting you down". That scares the LIVING SHIT out of me much more than his most psychotic ramblings.

Do governments lie? Sure. After all, some people will sell their own mothers for a buck, and when you mix in big business interests, which lobby the government so they than fill their pockets even more, it's bound to happen.

And being skeptical is a good thing, being able to criticize the government a sign of an open society.

But as skeptical as you can be of the government you should also be of those whose business model is to criticize it.

Nothing is unconstitutional until a court says that it is and even then not until the ultimate court...the Federal Supreme Court says that it is...they not you or anyone else are the deciders.

Alex Jones is just a capitalist making a killing from the conspiracy theories, check the alexa rank of his sites and the terror ads they have.

Pigshit.

You just also described the government and mainstream media.

If you presented both arguments to an alien who had no bias or previous knowledge of the incident, the "proof" provided to the people probably would not be a slam dunk. It was a single frame of one brother walking away where it looked like he *might* not have on a backpack. Everything else has been 100% hearsay. Photos of a burn mark on a street after the fact is not proof of anything, especially to the outsider with no bias or previous knowledge of the incident.

That doesn't mean I don't think they did it, but what you are saying is exactly what has happened through the media and government, and many believe this to be the truth for no other reason than they believe once source better than the other, even though that source has lied to everyone in the past, they still give it more credibility and place their trust there. I'm sure there is a physiological name for this, as the the psychology of belief is truly bizarre and fascinating.

On the contrary I think he did a good job. Anyone who works for Alex Jones is a dumb ass.

Alex Jones is the king of the trolls $$$

True but people who believe conspiracy theories, especially the shit from Alex Jones, just can't be rational. You can give them absolute scientific proof and they still won't believe it. What they want to believe seems to deep that it is beyond reason.

Some examples:

- 9/11 "Truthers" think all kinds of stupid things were involved such as remote controlled airplanes and demolition explosives.

- Obama "Birthers" like Donald Trump STILL don't believe Potus was born in the US, despite seeing his birth certificate.

- "Looners" or "Lunars" or whatever the fuck they are called think the moon landings were faked.

People like these collect all kinds of garbage faux-truths into their heads and cannot for the life of them consider for 1 second that they could be wrong. It's beyond sad - Nutjobs like these eventually make it to the radio (Alex Jones) and TV (Glenn Beck) and can even influence politics making a bad situation much much worse.

I'm all for the 1st amendment but there is so much disinformation out there believed by dopes that I think causes real progress to be held back in alot of areas.

Sad, sad sad.

Is that the official answer from your source at the Pentagon?

Perhaps they could shed some light on Pathfinder's death. That also sounds like an inside job.