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Evil Chris 05-02-2013 08:49 AM

Guns don't kill people.

5 year olds kill people.

GoldBarsXXX 05-02-2013 10:48 AM

If don't try to find the root of the problems things are just gonna escalate. I don't know why there aren't any intellectuals sitting and discussing these issues on open TV. I guess b/c ratings are gonna go down. People would rather watch Ricky Lake show.
I haven't had a TV for the past 15 years.

Tom_PM 05-02-2013 10:56 AM

The 2nd Amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

".well regulated.." please don't misinterpret this very clear provision. A "my first rifle", loaded and leaning against a wall while no parents are home? Not even fucking close, bro's.

MaDalton 05-02-2013 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 19608703)
A few years ago I would have agreed with that 100%. What I've personally seen in the last few years has changed my perception though.

In YOUR circles and MY circles I'd say your statement is a fact. However, there's a metric shit ton of fucking morons out there who own guns and they are anything but "safe & responsible" gun owners. :( People like the family involved in this horrible situation for instance.

I started shooting around 6 years old and hunting at 12 or 13. Through my entire childhood ALL the guns in the house were kept locked up. Even after I turned 18, my guns were still kept in my dads safe and I didn't have the combination. When I moved out, I got my own locking gun cabinet. To this day, I am the ONLY person who has the combination to my safe. Not even my wife can get into it.

I carry a gun daily and currently shoot an average of 4 days a week. That puts me around other shooters quite a bit. It amazes me how some of these clowns treat their weapons and the people around them. There isn't a day that goes by where I don't find myself correcting somebodies unsafe practices. Then there are the fucktards who grab a truck full of guns, fill their coolers with beer, and take their friends and family shooting. I see this type of tool on a regular basis. As soon as they show up, I leave the area.

I am VERY MUCH pro gun and I believe that those who are truly responsible should have the right to own and carry. But if you're going to stand there muzzling people with your "gat" while chugging a beer and ranting about your Constitutional rights then you can fuck right off as far as I'm concerned. :2 cents:

i can live with that

GoldBarsXXX 05-02-2013 11:04 AM

All these talks about amendments remind of what Lincoln once said. "DO NOT TOUCH THE CONSTITUTION". We'll I think that's wrong. The constitution must be amended continuously as we evolve to reflect the new times. Don't put too much emphasis on amendments as on reason.

Dirty F 05-02-2013 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldBarsXXX (Post 19608920)
If don't try to find the root of the problems things are just gonna escalate. I don't know why there aren't any intellectuals sitting and discussing these issues on open TV. I guess b/c ratings are gonna go down. People would rather watch Ricky Lake show.
I haven't had a TV for the past 15 years.

Ricky lake...isn't that like 15 years old?

sperbonzo 05-02-2013 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 19608927)
The 2nd Amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

".well regulated.." please don't misinterpret this very clear provision. A "my first rifle", loaded and leaning against a wall while no parents are home? Not even fucking close, bro's.

You are correct, in that it refers to well trained people, and that it also refers to men, aged 18 and older, who can, in times of emergency, act as a militia.

If you take a look at the federalist papers, and read the majority opinion in "Heller Vrs. Washington DC" you will see the references.


:2 cents:
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sperbonzo 05-02-2013 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldBarsXXX (Post 19608939)
All these talks about amendments remind of what Lincoln once said. "DO NOT TOUCH THE CONSTITUTION". We'll I think that's wrong. The constitution must be amended continuously as we evolve to reflect the new times. Don't put too much emphasis on amendments as on reason.

that will all be fine and dandy until some right-wing christian government gets into power and decides to change the first amendment to read "....except for online porn".





.:2 cents:

Overload 05-02-2013 01:01 PM

Every year just over 30,000 people die in the US from gunshot wounds. Every two years more US citizens are killed by gunshot wounds than were lost in the entire Vietnam war.

Lets look at this another way. With a population of 310 million and an annual death rate of 8.3/1000 , we can calculate that 2,573,000 people die in the US each year.
Of which 30,000 die of Gun Shot - so if you live in the US you have a 1.166% chance that you will die of Gun Shot wound. The rate of gunshot deaths is about 8 times that of economically comparable nations.

bottomline: USA sucks balls badly and yet calls for even MORE arms ... poor brain-washed dummies obey, consume and follow ... sheesh

Tom_PM 05-02-2013 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19609059)
You are correct, in that it refers to well trained people, and that it also refers to men, aged 18 and older, who can, in times of emergency, act as a militia.

If you take a look at the federalist papers, and read the majority opinion in "Heller Vrs. Washington DC" you will see the references.


:2 cents:
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Lets pretend it means and even says "well trained" though. The first order of business when it comes to training is being able to tell who has passed the training. FAIL. There is no standard test to buy a fire arm. No shooting test, no eye test.. is there any training whatsoever? Then it's fail. There is no regulation until we impose regulations. Another word for that is government. The sale of firearms needs to be governed. Nothing could be more clear.

Thor 05-02-2013 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19607402)
Let me repeat it again. It's not normal to give guns to children. You might think so because this word freedom has been repeated to you from the day you were born. But it really isn't. You and your country are fucked.

Its not normal in a small part of western europe, what about the rest of the world were people still fight for freedom ? lots of kids join the fight for freedom with guns in hand.

BlackCrayon 05-02-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Thor (Post 19609136)
Its not normal in a small part of western europe, what about the rest of the world were people still fight for freedom ? lots of kids join the fight for freedom with guns in hand.

name one place where that is happening today? people are fighting for bullshit rebel regimes and corporate interests. no one has been fighting for real freedom for a long time.

BlackCrayon 05-02-2013 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19608725)
If I had a gun, I would have shot him



Define average person? Do you know how many registered hunters there are in the US? Around 15 million according to the US Fish and Wildlife Service. Most states require a hunters safety course. Your argument doesn't hold water.

average person doesn't have military training. in states where courses are required i bet there are less incidents of accidental shootings. in states where there is not the 'average joe' just a regular guy who learned to shoot from his father and so on teaches his son the same mistakes he learned from his father and so on. though that only applies if hunting is the end goal of teaching to shoot which is less common these days. its more for self defense or whatever in which case there are no required courses to take.

Thor 05-02-2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19608759)
The thing is EVERY gun owner says the same thing. EVERY gun owner will claim that he is a responsible gun owner and that the morons shouldn't have guns. Just like every car driver thinks he drives better than other people.
So basically this makes it a worthless argument.

The point you miss is that guns dont kill people. people kill people.
Some rand can kill you with you with a shovel or a bat or what ever, the only thing a gun does is that it makes people equal.
A big 200 pound criminal isnt stronger then a 60 year old guy in the usa, because in usa the 60 year old guy have a shotgun to defend himself, but in Holland a 60 year old guy is prey to a 200 pound criminal, because in holland only the criminals have guns,
the left wing goverment have made sure that legal people cant defend themselves. and have people like you screaming "power to the people" and what they really mean is power to the goverment, and less power to the people

_Richard_ 05-02-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ - (Post 19608062)
"Sperm cell opens fire in daycare center."

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:disgust

Dirty F 05-02-2013 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor (Post 19609158)
The point you miss is that guns dont kill people. people kill people.
Some rand can kill you with you with a shovel or a bat or what ever, the only thing a gun does is that it makes people equal.
A big 200 pound criminal isnt stronger then a 60 year old guy in the usa, because in usa the 60 year old guy have a shotgun to defend himself, but in Holland a 60 year old guy is prey to a 200 pound criminal, because in holland only the criminals have guns,
the left wing goverment have made sure that legal people cant defend themselves. and have people like you screaming "power to the people" and what they really mean is power to the goverment, and less power to the people

Blah blah blah blah blaaaaah

Thor 05-02-2013 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19609163)
Blah blah blah blah blaaaaah

yea, back at you

Thor 05-02-2013 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19609149)
name one place where that is happening today? people are fighting for bullshit rebel regimes and corporate interests. no one has been fighting for real freedom for a long time.

there are lots of people in the arab countries fighting for freedom right now, against dictators and muslim fanatics, but ofc if you ask Dirty F they are just dirty swines that shouldnt be able to defend themselves, they should just bend over and take it.

DaveMG 05-02-2013 01:45 PM

The gun wasnt the issue. it was the stupid parent for not only leaving it out where the child could get it but to leave it loaded?! Whats wrong with people?

BlackCrayon 05-02-2013 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor (Post 19609179)
there are lots of people in the arab countries fighting for freedom right now, against dictators and muslim fanatics, but ofc if you ask Dirty F they are just dirty swines that shouldnt be able to defend themselves, they should just bend over and take it.

yeah, to rail out one guy and replace him with another who is no better or worse. like i said, bullshit rebel regimes who have their own corrupt agenda. thats not freedom. its not working out too well for egypt or any arab country that did this or tried to do it. personal guns do little in these situations anyways.

Dirty F 05-02-2013 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor (Post 19609179)
there are lots of people in the arab countries fighting for freedom right now, against dictators and muslim fanatics, but ofc if you ask Dirty F they are just dirty swines that shouldnt be able to defend themselves, they should just bend over and take it.

:1orglaugh

You're comparing that to the US?

What??

I'm close to putting you on ignore. I stopped wasting time on idiots like you.

Vendzilla 05-02-2013 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19609155)
average person doesn't have military training. in states where courses are required i bet there are less incidents of accidental shootings. in states where there is not the 'average joe' just a regular guy who learned to shoot from his father and so on teaches his son the same mistakes he learned from his father and so on. though that only applies if hunting is the end goal of teaching to shoot which is less common these days. its more for self defense or whatever in which case there are no required courses to take.

Please read my post again, I didn't have to take the Gun Safty course to buy a gun, because I was in the Military. If you don't have a DD214, you have to take the course in California. A lot of states require that.

Hunting is less common, where did you hear that? Yes the numbers are going down, but that can be tied to the economy. It costs a lot to go hunting.
read this
http://www.nwtf.org/images/Youth_Hunting_Report.pdf

AaronM 05-02-2013 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19608759)
The thing is EVERY gun owner says the same thing. EVERY gun owner will claim that he is a responsible gun owner and that the morons shouldn't have guns. Just like every car driver thinks he drives better than other people.
So basically this makes it a worthless argument.

It's not a worthless argument. In fact, it's not an argument at all. I'm just stating the facts as I see them. You're absolutely right, every gun owner will say that they are responsible and you and I know that a lot of them are not.

Even though you and I are on opposite sides of the gun issue, I think many of your personal views on the topic are pretty accurate. I may not always agree with you but the fact that you're at least thinking logically is something I've always respected about you.

The problem is that people debate one extreme or another. The answer for the U.S. is not more guns but it is also not a ban on guns. Gun bans have never worked in this country and all that will do is start bigger problems. Unfortunately, the U.S. has created a problem that has no easy and efective solution.

My personal feelings are that the agendas of both sides are fucked up. Common ground could be found if BOTH sides would quick acting like ignorant jackasses and address the actual problems. That would take years of work and require more regulations on the special interest groups and I don't ever see that happening because our Government is so corrupt. :disgust

Dirty F 05-02-2013 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 19609238)
Unfortunately, the U.S. has created a problem that has no easy and efective solution.

Yup, that pretty much sums it up.

Thor 05-02-2013 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19609215)
:1orglaugh

You're comparing that to the US?

What??

I'm close to putting you on ignore. I stopped wasting time on idiots like you.

Well, with the frequency that I post there is hardly a point, but your choice ofc :pimp

Dirty F 05-02-2013 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Thor (Post 19609252)
Well, with the frequency that I post there is hardly a point, but your choice ofc :pimp

Just stop posting bullshit.

Best-In-BC 05-02-2013 02:32 PM

Dumb fucking mom

Thor 05-02-2013 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19609257)
Just stop posting bullshit.

being pro gun is just my opinion, nothing to do with bullshit, I really do belive that people got the right to defend themselves against everybody that dosnt want them any good, and I do not belive that the police is doing their job good enough, especially in european countries, wich makes me an even stronger beliver in gun rights. :)

AaronM 05-02-2013 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19609246)
Yup, that pretty much sums it up.


Yes it does and that's the main reason I really don't get into the gun debates. Unless you can change the corrupt politicians and get the NRA to pull their head out of their own ass, no significant changed will be made. They may pass more laws but the atrocities being committed with guns will still continue to happen.

Personally, I'm more interested in safety and education than I am in debates. Debating will change nothing but education has proven to change almost every problem mankind has ever encountered. Ignorance = stupidity = danger.

AaronM 05-02-2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Thor (Post 19609271)
being pro gun is just my opinion, nothing to do with bullshit, I really do belive that people got the right to defend themselves against everybody that dosnt want them any good, and I do not belive that the police is doing their job good enough, especially in european countries, wich makes me an even stronger beliver in gun rights. :)


I know fuck all about you. This is the first post of yours I've ever read.

Reading the above, I see an uneducated person. All I have to base this on is your inability to spell even the most common words. When dumb fucks speak out in behalf of pro gun groups, it doesn't do our cause any good.

Just my humble opinion.

GoldBarsXXX 05-02-2013 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19609036)
Ricky lake...isn't that like 15 years old?

That's when I sopped watching TV.

GoldBarsXXX 05-02-2013 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19609062)
that will all be fine and dandy until some right-wing christian government gets into power and decides to change the first amendment to read "....except for online porn"..:2 cents:

That's a very good point. It doesn't have to be some right-wing christian government to ban online porn. It could any government for that matter. If that day comes when there is a long heated debate about whether porn is detrimental to the very fabric of the culture (which is the reason why so many countries filter it now including some European countries)then I am all for banning online porn or at least making it much more restricted.

Its the same with guns. If there is a debate about how to stop so many people from "winging it" with the end result of banning guns then I am for it.

The whole things is a bit complex. Its takes more than amendments to change attitudes.
I wrote earlier about what I would do as I politician. That would be a good start.

GrantMercury 05-02-2013 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aaronm (Post 19607162)
obviously it's tragic.

The remaining child needs to be taken from the parents and they should be prosecuted. :2 cents:

+1 :(:(:(

GrantMercury 05-02-2013 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian837 (Post 19607221)
if the 2 year old had a gun

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

GrantMercury 05-02-2013 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19607255)
and it's absurd that you can not have a beer until you are 21 but you can market guns to children: http://www.crickett.com/

Absurd it is. Welcome to the NRA's America.

GrantMercury 05-02-2013 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 2012 (Post 19607312)
demonize gun owners
demonize gun owners
demonize gun owners
demonize gun owners

yea !

http://i.imgur.com/CLXOG6J.jpg

only the good folks looking out for your best interests at "the government" should have guns

So, you don't see a problem with what happened? The 5 year old should have a gun to protect himself from "the government"? :helpme


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