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_Richard_ 05-24-2013 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19639414)



movie gets mentioned a lot here

50 ditch diggers and collective thought

Grapesoda 05-24-2013 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19638979)
Ironically, this is a common feature of ADD as well. ;)

They can obsess 100% and work long days, completely focused on what they are interested in. That behavior does not necessarily denote intelligence. Should intelligence and that behavior co-exist, that does not necessarily indicate a causal relationship between intelligence and ones ability to focus. Children focus intensely on anything and can play intensely for hours and have much lower IQ's than adults.

that makes sense, I guess Einstein was a moron... thanks for clearing that up for me :thumbsup

dyna mo 05-24-2013 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19639417)


movie gets mentioned a lot here

50 ditch diggers and collective thought

dude, i could have used that ditch diggers clip in another thread earlier this week, totally forgot about that part. crap!

:1orglaugh

helterskelter808 05-24-2013 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19639367)
tbh, i didn't get the "in the year of 2525" year 5555 references? maybe i'm losing my grip on pop culture........

The year 5555 is when our arms and legs become useless due to our increasingly sedentary lifestyles and reliance on technology. Made in reference to TheSquealer's post about people using voice software to 'type' rather than their arms.

Unlike Space 1999 and Kubrick, the song has already arguably got one prediction right, test tube babies.

Grapesoda 05-24-2013 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19639059)
I wouldn't call working 30 hours non-stop a sign of intelligence.

try and focus on a task for 30 hours :thumbsup

dyna mo 05-24-2013 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19639421)
The year 5555 is when our arms and legs become useless due to our increasingly sedentary lifestyles and reliance on technology. Made in reference to TheSquealer's post about people using voice software to 'type' rather than their arms.

Unlike Space 1999 and Kubrick, the song has already arguably got one prediction right, test tube babies.


oh yah, lol, the big bang theory ran with that- the sheldonian calendar for singularity.

_Richard_ 05-24-2013 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19639419)
that makes sense, I guess Einstein was a moron... thanks for clearing that up for me :thumbsup

http://www.worldpublicunion.org/2013...s-disease.html

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US American psychiatrist Leon Eisenberg, born in 1922 as the son of Russian Jewish immigrants, who was the ?scientific father of ADHD? and who said at the age of 87, seven months before his death in his last interview: ?ADHD is a prime example of a fictitious disease?
ill just leave this right here..

helterskelter808 05-24-2013 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19639424)
try and focus on a task for 30 hours :thumbsup

30 seconds? Are you kidding me? Oh, you said hours. 30 hours? Are you k- oooh, look, another bird!

dyna mo 05-24-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19639432)

derp. in fact, the entire notion of psychology being a science is fictitious.

Grapesoda 05-24-2013 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19639436)
30 seconds? Are you kidding me? Oh, you said hours. 30 hours? Are you k- oooh, look, another bird!

I imagine your funny statement reflects in your bank account as well :2 cents:

Grapesoda 05-24-2013 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19639432)

all jokes aside I've always been skeptical of the alphabet diseases..

helterskelter808 05-24-2013 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19639442)
I imagine your funny statement reflects in your bank account as well :2 cents:

Yep. In fact two cents is all I have in my bank account. Still, at least I'm not a humorless cunt. :2 cents:

TheSquealer 05-24-2013 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19639419)
that makes sense, I guess Einstein was a moron... thanks for clearing that up for me :thumbsup

I dont think he was a moron. Since he was a low paid employee who never really truly solved the problems he was determined to solve (namely unification theory), he might have been a moron. I had a girlfriend that went to medical school to prove she wasn't stupid. She was dumber than a box of rocks. She was however able to commit herself to spending 20 hrs a day memorizing all the intricacies of the human body, because she was motivated to do so.

I am saying that the study attempts to make a correlation where there most likely is none. The data sample is too small to mean anything and anyone with an understanding of basic math should understand that, including those conducting the study.

I can line up 58 people and have them flip coins to prove there is a correlation between landing on heads and IQ.

I do agree that conspiracy theorists are idiots. I am not sure that IQ plays into that. You don't have to be a stupid person to have a severely distorted sense of reality. Perceptual psychology and how our senses develop and are used, is a very interesting field of study, further "tuning" out things is a highly individualistic thing, i would guess. In other words, someone who survived a plane crash is not going to tune out the sound of a plane flying over head and so on. Sounds, shapes, colors and so on all have different meanings and different significance to different people.

Conspiracy theorists have issues primarily with their distortions of reality and their own internal representations of reality which end up getting worse and worse as they go and they continue increasingly to distort information around them to fit into that severely distorted model they've created. Usually, they end up doing two things. 1) They dismiss ANYTHING that challenges their beliefs as being irrelevant. 2) They distort anything they can to fit their beliefs. We all do this to some extent, but these guys do it to a very unreasonable and unhealthy extent.

_Richard_ 05-24-2013 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19639474)
I dont think he was a moron. Since he was a low paid employee who never really truly solved the problems he was determined to solve (namely unification theory), he might have been a moron. I had a girlfriend that went to medical school to prove she wasn't stupid. She was dumber than a box of rocks. She was however able to commit herself to spending 20 hrs a day memorizing all the intricacies of the human body, because she was motivated to do so.

I am saying that the study attempts to make a correlation where there most likely is none. The data sample is too small to mean anything and anyone with an understanding of basic math should understand that, including those conducting the study.

I can line up 58 people and have them flip coins to prove there is a correlation between landing on heads and IQ.

I do agree that conspiracy theorists are idiots. I am not sure that IQ plays into that. You don't have to be a stupid person to have a severely distorted sense of reality. Perceptual psychology and how our senses develop and are used, is a very interesting field of study, further "tuning" out things is a highly individualistic thing, i would guess. In other words, someone who survived a plane crash is not going to tune out the sound of a plane flying over head and so on. Sounds, shapes, colors and so on all have different meanings and different significance to different people.

Conspiracy theorists have issues primarily with their distortions of reality and their own internal representations of reality which end up getting worse and worse as they go and they continue increasingly to distort information around them to fit into that severely distorted model they've created. Usually, they end up doing two things. 1) They dismiss ANYTHING that challenges their beliefs as being irrelevant. 2) They distort anything they can to fit their beliefs. We all do this to some extent, but these guys do it to a very unreasonable and unhealthy extent.

tell us more about your 'dumb as rocks' gf.

also? real slick.

dyna mo 05-24-2013 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19639474)
I dont think he was a moron. Since he was a low paid employee who never really truly solved the problems he was determined to solve (namely unification theory), he might have been a moron. I had a girlfriend that went to medical school to prove she wasn't stupid. She was dumber than a box of rocks. She was however able to commit herself to spending 20 hrs a day memorizing all the intricacies of the human body, because she was motivated to do so.
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:1orglaugh :thumbsup

hah, my experience with an ex is exactly the same. except it was law school. i encouraged her to get into a more respectable industry, such as porn, but no.

TheSquealer 05-24-2013 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19639484)
:1orglaugh :thumbsup

hah, my experience with an ex is exactly the same. except it was law school. i encouraged her to get into a more respectable industry, such as porn, but no.

We were young. 19. She was the typical dumb, hot blond who was very insecure about being the dumb, hot blond. It was kinda hard to convince her that maybe the medical profession wouldn't be the best route. Last i saw, she's in real estate.

I once watched her lick a hot skillet that she was cooking with. That's where i realized that hot/dumb and smart/beautiful, where two different things that served two entirely different purposes :)

dyna mo 05-24-2013 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19639510)
We were young. 19. She was the typical dumb, hot blond who was very insecure about being the dumb, hot blond. It was kinda hard to convince her that maybe the medical profession wouldn't be the best route. Last i saw, she's in real estate.

I once watched her lick a hot skillet that she was cooking with. That's where i realized that hot/dumb and smart/beautiful, where two different things that served two entirely different purposes :)

maybe the researchers in the op will sort out that the brain works like a muscle= singular focus + consistency builds up the parts of the brain that today's testing and info gathering considers high iq.

TheSquealer 05-24-2013 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19639517)
maybe the researchers in the op will sort out that the brain works like a muscle= singular focus + consistency builds up the parts of the brain that today's testing and info gathering considers high iq.

I have a more pragmatic view of people. I view us as an ant colony or bee hive. There is structure, there is a hierarchy. There are leaders and followers. I believe anyone can be a leader or a follower but that both are necessary. I believe all our behaviors are designed/learned/innate to serve the purpose of us fulfilling those roles and ensuring our collective and individual survival.

I honestly have no problem with someone who is dumb. I don't consider myself smart. I don't hate the rich, the poor or the average. I think we are all more often than not, exactly where we are supposed to be because the forces of nature, more than anything puts us there. Smart, average and dumb people are all useful in the colony. A highly intelligent person won't likely be picking fruit or driving cabs. A dumb person won't likely be running NASA. In other words, 2 decades ago, there were more law students in school than practicing lawyers. That equation shifted the opposite direction. What created more lawyers? The conscious choice of each individual and random number sequence that happened to reveal a streak? Or the greater, invisible balance that exists which more often than not, puts people right where they should be? (edit: - i meant that external forces greatly influenced the outcome with respect to more/fewer lawyers)

dyna mo 05-24-2013 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19639541)
I have a more pragmatic view of people. I view us as an ant colony or bee hive. There is structure, there is a hierarchy. There are leaders and followers. I believe anyone can be a leader or a follower but that both are necessary. I believe all our behaviors are designed/learned/innate to serve the purpose of us fulfilling those roles and ensuring our collective and individual survival.

I honestly have no problem with someone who is dumb. I don't consider myself smart. I don't hate the rich, the poor or the average. I think we are all more often than not, exactly where we are supposed to be because the forces of nature, more than anything puts us there. Smart, average and dumb people are all useful in the colony. A highly intelligent person won't likely be picking fruit or driving cabs. A dumb person won't likely be running NASA. In other words, 2 decades ago, there were more law students in school than practicing lawyers. That equation shifted the opposite direction. What created more lawyers? The conscious choice of each individual and random number sequence that happened to reveal a streak? Or the greater, invisible balance that exists which more often than not, puts people right where they should be? (edit: - i meant that external forces greatly influenced the outcome with respect to more/fewer lawyers)


there's prolly a middle ground eh, pragmatism + evolution too much pragmatism discounts the randomness of nature and too much well, you get the idea.

Grapesoda 05-24-2013 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19639474)
I dont think he was a moron. Since he was a low paid employee who never really truly solved the problems he was determined to solve (namely unification theory), he might have been a moron.

hasn't been solved yet BTW... here's more stuff by a bunch of morons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Bayesianism

TheSquealer 05-24-2013 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19639613)
hasn't been solved yet BTW... here's more stuff by a bunch of morons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Bayesianism

He also rejected string theory if I recall and died a pretty bitter person. Now we're learning that the speed of light isn't the cosmic speed limit either. Obviously he was a smart guy - I don't think I was suggesting he wasn't smart. He was a gifted mathematician and there are millions out there.

dynastoned 05-24-2013 05:33 PM

the entire article is junk. 53 people were tested... by "higher IQ" do they mean 100 as opposed to 90? on and on.. garbage.

TheSquealer 05-24-2013 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19639579)
there's prolly a middle ground eh, pragmatism + evolution too much pragmatism discounts the randomness of nature and too much well, you get the idea.

Yeah. This is why I feel bickering about politics fpr example is useless. I mean it has to be done. I have no delusions that I can fight and argue and win and change the world once and forever. I also have no delusions that "my side is right" which in itself becomes a complex and unwinnable philosophical argument. I think that left and right are defined and shaped by the other an that they each represent 1/2 of the swing of a pendulum where both cannot exist without the other... An when one side swings too far, it is countered by the other and so on. My arguing about abortion (as an example) in my view, simply creates another that will argue the opposite... in a wider, cosmic sense. The stronger my argument and the louder my voice, the louder and stronger that counter voice will be.

Politics is a great example of that. Left an right, stand in direct opposition, each sure only they are correct and neither change anything in the big scheme of things. They simply balance each other out.. Extremes are also necessary in both parties because the extremes define the center. Balance.

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