I knew i'd get flamed for this provocative post.

Rochard, Nobody in Afghanistan attacked on 9/11.

The hijackers, 15 of them were Saudi's.

They all perished in their heinous attack.

Now there was an allegation that someone there had something to do with it and the Bush administration demanded from the Taliban that he be handed over.

There was no evidence presented and the Taliban said "Fuck you Bush"

Then they invaded in an aggressive act, overthrew the Taliban regime and occupied the country for 13 years costing 6,000 US servicemen and nearly 1 trillion dollars.

All of this was for NOTHING. NOTHING.

The CIA also committed war crimes and mistreated Taliban POWs, didn't hear that on the news did you ?

Google: Convoy of Death or look it up on Youtube.

Some of these POWs were shipped off to Gitmo, tortured repeatedly and have been held without charge for 10+ years.

The latest war crimes are being committed with drones strikes. Many civilians have been incinerated and blown up based on nothing more than allegations in violation of international law and yes the US Constitution and the 5th Amendment.

Every Tuesday the fraud and fake liberal President Obama decides who he's going to kill and orders their death absent any due process and in direct violation of his own oath of office to uphold the Bill of Rights which was hard fought and earned by great men in a war of independence in 1776.

They're not fighting for "freedoms" in Afghanistan. They're an occupying army who are not wanted and are still subject to guerrilla warfare and one could say justified attacks by the guys who were ousted over 10 years ago.

Kind of like Vietnam.

Another worthless, shitty war.

Stop it with the real facts ...
USA is there so they do not need to fight them here ....:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Not on the invasion shit for brains


http://www.kuriositas.com/2012/11/th...-invasion.html

Fucking retard that failed at hooked on phonics, try reading the post before commenting shit for brains

In the early morning of 6 June 1942, 500 Japanese soldiers landed on Kiska, one of the Aleutian Islands of Alaska. They took the only inhabitants of the island, a ten man (and six dog) US Navy Weather Detachment by complete surprise and quickly took control of American soil. Today, the island is one of the USA?s National Historic Landmarks: the aftermath of the Japanese invasion can still be seen on the rolling hillsides of Kiska.

no.


you got flamed because you are insensitive and use a day of honor as your own soap box to try and push your agenda onto others. you can't even use your own words to do that.

And you don't think there are those using this "memorial" day to push an agenda of militarism, nationalism and patriotism?

The Middle East has been a cancer for the best part of 2000 years - whether it was the Turks, the Brits or now the Americans sticking their noses in it or not it would still be a vile backwards shithole where people suffer and die endlessly. The US would like to foster democracies where it can, that isn't done overnight, it isn't probably done in a lifetime. It also means you end up supporting some pretty despicable people who have their own agendas who will cooperate with the US. You can't get involved in the Middle East and not come out smelling like shit. Not in the short term anyway.

Without oil the US wouldn't be much interested in any of it other than providing humanitarian relief.

This 'Future of Freedom' organization isn't about freedom, there is little freedom in the Middle East outside Israel. Like many Canadians on this board, guys like Richard and directfiesta, it's fodder for a diatribe against the US. Without US involvement they wouldn't even be aware of what happens in the Middle East, they only worry about suffering when it's caused by the United States.

From my viewpoint the human and economic costs are too high for what might be gained, and the gains that are made the easiest and fastest are made by the military industrial complex Eisenhower warned about which makes it all look rather unseemly.

In other words our 'freedom' means dictating to everywhere else how they should be run. Now it all makes sense when people say they hate us for our 'freedom'.

Seems to me the terrorist group who planned, supported, and funded the nineteen terrorists were in fact in Afghanistan. The Taliban government there also supported this terrorist group. Also seems to me that when the United States said "arrest them or else" they failed to so.

Let me stop right there. If a terrorist group in France of Germany attacks the United States, we call up the other country, explain our case, and ask them to arrest them or at the very least detain them. Any civilized country would have said "okay".

Now, with the Afghan government, the Taliban, they just said "no". Perhaps the Taliban over there failed to understand exactly how serious the stakes were. The United States wasn't going to just walk away from this.

After 9/11 the only people left was Osama there and his Al Qaeda - and they were all in Afghanistan. When the Taliban refused to play ball with us, we invaded.

I have no problems with what we did.

No, not at all. I'm pretty confident that Luxemburg does exactly what it wants and that we do not "dictate our freedoms" to the people of Luxemburg. Or China. Or France, Angola, Belarus, Belize, Cuba, Chile.... The list goes on and on.

There are some countries where we have in fact "dictated" our freedoms. Iraq is one of them. I have no problems with this. Millions died in the ten year war between Iraq and Iran, and when they failed to win that they decided to play footsies with Kuwait. At a certain point in time someone needed to step in.

That 'stepping in' point coincidentally being when they stopped killing the people who overthrew our oil-rich puppet in Iran, and decided to remove our oil-rich puppet in Kuwait.

As for Bin Laden, as I said in a post the other day, the Afghans offered to hand him over if we provided some evidence against him. We didn't.

Whereas before 9/11, when we didn't give a rat's ass about terrorism because it only happened in other countries, we thought nothing of refusing extradition requests, by one of our closest allies, for wanted terrorists in the US.

Right dumbass. Day 1, hour 1... 500 japanese soldiers on a barely inhabited island. Days later, 5000 men with full naval and air support taking more islands before meeting resistance and ultimately several major battles and 1000s killed. They bombed dutch harbor and those pics of Japanese planes flying through the valley bombing houses are in most public buildings there. Attu and Kiska both are littered with downed planes, beached subs, sunken ships etc etc etc... not to mention 1000s of graves of dead soldiers. Hardly the joke you tried to make it sound like. You are making a hindsight argument and playing semantics, once you realized how wrong you were.

Clearly not a big deal at all...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sMNCH7Hy9i...n+battle+3.jpg

kind of feel like today is not an appropriate day for this. Also keep in mind the troops of WWII some are still around they certainly defended freedom. And it's kind of silly to blame the troops for bad politics. No one is more antiwar than I am. I just kind of like to respect the military as best I can.

In what year? A memory leak? :winkwink:

I don't know why, but the Americans always had a serious problem with geography (no offense please, causerie it's a fact). The 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia which is your ally :2 cents:

How exactly they "supported" that "group"? BTW do you know who Taliban are and which country is behind of it (the Taliban)? A small video just to refresh your memory



:2 cents:

This is a way different story. Nobody (I believe inducing the OP) would question their heroism and contribution to the history.

i know ONLY americans have the right to defend "freedoms" and that america does not attack anybody at all ( :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh) nor exploit (:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh)

BUT

how do you live with the double standard? :1orglaugh

so if avghanistan, just for example, were to develop some brilliant super weapon, and considering you attack them left and right and SERIOUSLY ENDANGER THEIR FREEDOM(S) does that give them full right to bomb you back in to the stone age like you did them?


(do not worry you double standard american, I do not really expect an answer, because you are not capable of giving one, just rubbing the double standard in your face)

happy memorial day to the ww2 crew, you indeed fought a brave battle :thumbsup

happy "trail along on other peoples glory and hope some rubs off" day to todays paid wannabe hero-mercenaries of the US army

you justify your actions because others do the same, got it. or more likely, you make shit up to justify your retarded thread because i spent memorial weekend watching the indy 500, stuffing my face with hot dogs and beer with some family, getting some porn work in, chatting on a couple of forums, etc.

i didn't get all that propaganda and shit you are hiding behind.

not only that, the letter writer had the respect to post that letter a day after memorial day.

i kunt a4d An Open Letter to the Troops.... :(