OMG...best response in the whole damn thread!!! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Mad fucking funny that was:thumbsup

SwirlsGirl, I've watched you blame everyone but yourself for your lack of success.

I'm sure I'm not the first to ask, but have you ever considered looking in the mirror for the root of your difficulties?

Are adult sales high risk or not? I guess that's about it.

Well we are in the hunt for a merchant account and are formulating a strategy now to secure one.

There is one company who has a great reputation that we started working with in the summer of 2011.

things were going fine and then shall we say a small *MISUNDERSTANDING* got twisted and distorted into something it truly wasn't and the so called good folks at this company turned their backs on us and threw us under the bus.

Our settlement funds were intercepted,seized,stolen, merchant account closed, and reputation ruined over this misunderstanding.

They will not offer us a chance to work with them again but they are in every thread hunting, begging, praying for new business.

They have stated they are willing to secure a merchant account to process for Saraswirls.com but they are first mandating that we sell saraswirls to some one else first before they will consider setting up the merchant account...LOL ...now that says what?

SwirlsGirl = Pimpdog :thumbsup

I say start your own billing company and complain to yourself about it.

What kind of jack leg moron are you? With all due respect mother fucker I am successful...success is not measured in over rated fiat paper or filthy lucre...

success is measured by endurance and longevity and even after being smeared endlessly by trolls, and gfy asshats, even after being burned by middlemen and having 10's of thousands of dollars STOLEN by middle men....

I am still here respected by my fans and still able to generate funds and revenue thru my craft...so who the fuck are you to ask me to blame myself for not being successful.

My husband and I built something from the ground up with our bare hands, with no hand outs, no loans, no credit lines, no help, and no support.

9 years later when you see that cuckolding has exploded and is ever increasing in popularity, I can sit back and say we made some genuine contributions to the lifestyle, as well as innovated some ways to profit and live comfortably from the lifestyle.

I think that in it of itself is reason to feel successful...when I get emails from real people of various ages, races, nationalities, and literally from all over the world, thanking me for my work, and asking me to never stop, and telling me that nobody does what I do the way I do it, it is very comforting and gratifying even if I am not doing 100 sales a day I do not need to.

I never got in this to be rich...our only goal was to be comfortable and not dependent on anyone to survive which is exactly the case so thanks but have a little fuck U...its free!

I know I hear that suggestion everyone makes but I cannot pull off an approval decline on someone else and sleep comfortably so billing is not my forte'

Nor could I sit there and deny the flow of money to people who need it based on some computer derived algorythm that says this transaction has a 1% chance of charge back so lets not put the sale thru.

Then on top of that I would have to create a fraud department which I have come to suspect as a fraud coverup department.

Anyways billing is not my craft and I would rather focus on my craft and do what my fans enjoy.

However I should be able to come here amongst my industry colleagues and associates and discuss concerns without being attacked like its kindergarten all the time.

That they don't want to work with YOU ?

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I'd love to hear more about that misunderstanding....
I'm sure there is plenty of people here that could help you out if the cards are out in the open!

I think Blackmonsters has nailed this thread and the problem Sara causes herself with these rants.......... potential affiliates fear of lost rebills if a processor takes exception to her accusatory rantings and cancels her account (as has happened before I believe).

These threads don't hurt any middlemen. They only hurt you.

You have 3 choices Sara. Get a merchant account and control more of the process yourself, stop accepting credit cards entirely or accept that you need middlemen more than they need you, and try to get more sales, so that occasional slower days don't stand out so much and make your mind wander to conspiracies.

Middlemen exist pretty much everywhere in some shape or form. I would love to get my hamburger straight from the cow, but until they get themselves better organized, I am forced to deal with those McMiddlemen. :2 cents:

As always signupdamnit you are spot on with your assesment, I have no disagreement with your assessment and perspective what so ever you are one of the few left who clearly sees thru the matrix and can articulate exactly the structure and chain of control that now permeates this industry.

thank you for chiming in:thumbsup

Ahh that wonderful, positive attitude that gets everyone rallying to your cause. Or something...

I imagine that what they are saying is that your business is fine, but you and your previous erratic accusatory demeanour have made you unbackable.

I thought you had already stepped back from dealing with the business side and that things were going well working with Beaner? Or did I miss something?

How are paypal not middlemen?

I understand why there are middle men I get it 100%....I am only asking if many of you agree that they have too much control??

That was the whole point of the thread....either you feel they have too much control, or you feel they don't.

I have no hostility anymore, I hope I do not come off bitter and hostile because believe it or not, I am doing wonderful right now, I am happy, I am content, I know who I am, and what I have accomplished and feel great about it.

Sure middle men are every where, lawyers, sports agents, real estate, I understand, everybody got to get their piece of the pie.

Contrary to what you may think is the motivation behind this thread it surely is not because of lacking sales....and it surely is not because I have nothing better to do.

I am trying to push new ideas and new ways of looking at how this industry is structured and trying to effect change by first getting some to think differently about what we have been led to believe about the state of this industry.

Perhaps I should have offered to suck your cock when you insulted me...I am sorry may I suck your cock please sir?

I didn't intend to insult you. I was just pointing out your pattern of blaming billers for your difficulties...but here I am, saying the same things to you that people more qualified have said repeatedly. Shame on me. Carry on.

"previous erratic accusatory demeanour"

Listen I will level with you because I appreciate colleagues in the industry who have read some of my posts, and even though we may have some different views it shows that you take me seriously enough to read my posts whether you agree with them or not.

We have made great strides with Beaner and hope to continue making strides but we are at a point where there can no longer be any debate or denying that this site is long over due for a merchant account of its own.

Our relationship with Beaner is pretty good, we do not always agree on everything but what we understand about relationships is there has to be compromise.

He has made plenty of compromise and gone above and beyond the call of duty, and its fair to say so have we, and together we see very very promising potential with the site, but I am of the mindset especially after the past 3 months that traffic and affiliates are not whats holding us back.

In fact I can state it matter of factly and absolutely that our sales in the past have been deliberately and maliciously restricted...period....I am convinced I don't care that some of you naive people think its sounds conspiratorial...

me talking like this is not whats fucked up and inappropiate!!!!

Whats fucked up and inappropiate is that the shit did happen to us, and if it happened to us it could potentially happen to others.

And I am saying a middle man gettin angry with you and fucking with your sales is reason enough to wrestle back some of that control from middle men

Fine fine I am not looking for a pissing match with anyone, I wish I could get along with many of you but I get the brunt of personal attacks when I rarely if ever attack any individuals, I ask direct and serious questions to companies that I do business with when I smell a rat, and I get attacked every single time.

I do not enjoy the attacks but I have to speak facts or I am no different then a middle man who gets caught executing approval declines!

But yall don't want to touch approval declines with a 10 foot pole do ya's

No maybe we need a 10 page thread about approval declines to generate some interest...oops shouldn't have posted that....just might be going on vacation with my good man wehateporn!

I find it hard to believe that somebody who made a commission on your sales was deliberately declining sales, but I suppose anything is possible if you piss off the wrong person and he or she takes it too personal.

Your secondary defence against this is cascading billing or offering customers a choice of processors so that no one individual or company can mess with your business. (Primary defence is of course don't piss off processors by calling them out on boards!)

So, your main issue is how tight the scrub is ?

Just making sure I understand this month's version of the issue.

Thanx

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Anyone who puts food and their dog above business is A-Ok with me so anytime. :)

who has an issue, I asked if middle men have too much control and the flames and attacks ensue as usual.

you cannot question or speak ill of the middle men without sufficient consequences, however middlemen not withstanding I am a Goddess, and I am the one test case they should not have tested.

they got caught red handed by the wrong person and it haunts them...however they have bigger problems then me on the boards.

It humors me that so many think I am a bitter 1 sale a dayangry with the world fried,died,and laid to the side web girl who is blaming all of lifes ills on middle men...hardly the case at all.

I blame certain troubles directly on certain middlemen, plenty of good decent middle men in the world, however its the concept that is as old as business itself.

Middle men would prefer you operate solely on trust and blind faith and out source the worry of sales and stats to them.

I say based on what I now know, that there should be nothing wrong with trusting your middlemen so long as the ability to verify what middle men report is present along with that blind trust.

Trust but verify

Hey Lagcam I am not attacking you or trying to insult you but your naivety is showing with this post....

One does not have to be pissed off to have reason or motivation to block,cap,restrict,time out,or approval decline sales!

All one needs is to be in dire straits and too big too fail, for the end to justify the means.

I would rather it be 100% personal vendetta at blocking sales, if it were just me, but I think many are experiencing approval declines and are not even remotely aware of this phenomenon.

As hard as it is to believe it is provable but I will not indict anyone individual or company here, but they really should have covered their tracks better before they rolled the dice and played fast and loose with certain transactions and got caught.

In fact they should have made a thank you thread for me not posting more about it...but middle men generally are not humble, rational, or compassionate, and would rather get away scott free and not be held accountable.

Most of you help them escape accountability by chiming in with your disbelief and doubt about what powers they yield, the fraud that they are engaged in, and what they are truly capable of.

Jesus is on it, but keeping a low profile this time around :winkwink:

If the hooligans ran... we are chasing those mother fuckers ;)
middle men should be cut out of equation shortly :)
Lots of love from the old school.

Amazing all this shit that happens to you and not anyone else.. ever wondered why?

This is what happened with netbilling.
Account was doing phone sales, bank terminated account because of it.
M etbilling said they did not authorize phone sales, yet they are the ones that set that up. I believe that 100%.
So sara now has a sower taste... to be expected.

We are doing it over now. We have friends that will open a merchant account and we are going to bkow the cuckold niche out of this world.

I thought about sharing all the details of this ordeal because the whole thing was fucking foul, and I mean fucked up foul, the way they lied, the way they stole, and the way they tried to come to gfy and do damage control about this *MISUNDERSTANDING*

I never in a million years thought a company with such a great reputation on gfy could set us up with a merchant account, have their techs install,set up, configure, test, and authorize us to do phone and webcam billing....then turn around 5 months later without any chargebacks,fraud,or suspicious activity....allow a repugnant decrepid,pot bellied nasal degenerate minion to steal our settlement funds, close our merchant account, and try to prevent us from ever getting a merchant account again.

Yeah we are such terrible and evil human beings for wanting to speak with our fans and customers over the telephone.

They said they never told us we could do phone and webcam with the merchant account, we said sure you did, not only did you tell us we could, you had your techs set it all up and test it out??? What the mother fucking fuck???

Needless to say they flat out stole about $400.00 bucks plus reserves and holdback, and we never seen a nickel of it!

There is no more to the story there is nothing I am leaving out that is the way it happened and that is our last involvement with a merchant account.

To add insult to injury we later found out that the so called *bank* who stole our funds was not even a bank...they were a merchant account services company masquerading as a bank that had been closed for almost 10 years!!!!!!

You cannot make this shit up!!! But yeah they would rather you believe that we violated some policy or rule and were desperados who look for trouble and are impossible to work with....

So if anyone here can help us secure a merchant account to be able to accept a variety of transactions on a daily basis! I mean we get sales every single day and this week alone had 8 denials with one of our billers!!!!

The trouble with 8 transaction denials this week is that we now know that just because a middle man reports a transaction as a decline transaction does not mean it was really declined. One needs to verify it him/herself

With your own merchant account you are not relying on the biased reporting of a 3rd party, you are the one seeing all transactions in real time as they happen.

Hey Beaner, much appreciated!! It means a ton that you made this post, and I sincerely appreciate it.

I was not going to put netbilling on blast because I actually believed we could convince them to give us another shot in the interest of good steady business but it is what it is.

Despite them mistreating us and allowing a parasite to almost ruin our business we still never tried to smear or besmirch them because we are not evil vindictive people at all and the universe must have our back because we are still here more loved than ever by our fans and loathed and hated by parasites,middlemen, and their blind misguided worshipers

Real recognizes real, and our story is one of a kind...Middle men should not fear doing business with us if they are on the up and up....treat us right and we treat you right, very simple...but as you know

zombaio closed our account for posting about late payouts....then they came to gfy and said they shut our account for some *other* reason but not as a vendetta...sure

Netbilling closes our account not for charge backs, not for fraud,not for faulty and abusive billing, but somebody in their circle became desperate for funds and revenue and chose to steal our funds that we worked hard for because they cannot generate funds as skillless middlemen, they can only take funds that are not theirs to take.

Honestly we are doing better with verotel and I have no reason to suspect verotel is doing anything shady but I see some limitations with what we can do with 3rd party billing and thats the bottom line.

We know what real money is, we know what we should be generating, and with 3rd party billing you are just not going to hit your full growth potential.

Funny thing is when we told the good folks at netbilling that as far as we are concerned stealing our settlement funds is theft and the so called bank must be very desperate to steal our money and try to justify stealing our money with some vague and ambiguous flimsy accusation that we did the most heinous and treacherous crime imaginable of doing phone and webcam shows and not telling anybody when netbilling set it all up is a motherfucking jerry springer episode in adult biz.

Netbilling actually said this to us..."oh nobody is going to steal your money its only 400.00 bucks...this isabank they do not need to steal your money"

Yeah 2 years later the fuckers still have our money, and never returned any of it, and even tried to go into our bank account several times more which is a whole different conversation!!!!!!!!!! But yeah middle men are honest and sincere, and evil wicked Sara and her hubby are desperate evil sheisters who are mad at the world because they only get 1 sale a day...LOL only in the minds of real lunatics

Great now its out in the open, lets hear what netbilling have to say. Not a digg at you, just good to hear bothsides cause if it went down as you said, you have the right to be pissed.

Middle Men = Business

The fail is strong in this thread...

Yep, and that's the mad child of manwin at its best.

You are foolish middle men = middle men

Sara Swirls = revenue generator

I understand middle men are needed in business....I suggest they have too much control

The fact that you have to come to them and almost beg for their services to be able to accept credit transactions shows who the puppet master is

Fall out with them and try to hold them accountable and you get made an example like me.

Still it does not discourage me because I stand on solid ground...you cannot stop an idea whose time has come.

Think about Prince and his battle with middle men (record companies) Same exact principle here no different.

Prince is the most prolific and giftend musician of our generation hands down period end of story.

He is an artist and creator of music that fans will always wnat to hear and will always support what he does.

What happend when he called out the record companies for fraud, abuse, censorship, and many other shady things that middle men do to artists.

People thought he was nuts psycho insane after landing a 100 million dollar record deal.

Well the fallout was him wanting artistic control over how he delivered and sold his music to his fans.

The middle men (record companies wnated him to focus on music and videos while they focused on maximizing revenue from each record to the point of holding back and stifling his creativity.

Now He felt strongly that to have sold a cd album at 14.95 and for somebody like him to only receive $2.00 per album sold was robbery.

He wanted to do business directly with his fans and offer albums much cheaper circumventing the middle men who take so much off the top and then falsify the STATS REPORTS and SALES.

Prince realized then that the system of music delivery and profit structure was not setup to benefit artists like him but to benefit greedy shady middle men and execs who new nothing about art,music, but knew everything about blood sucking the lion share of the profits made from his musical work.

They tried to black ball him so he could not distribute his music or get a deal any where.

They called him crazy, psycho, looney, spolied, drama addicted you know all the ususal names slung at people who go against the grain.

He stuck to his guns stopped cooperating with the system and ultimately because of his large loyal fan base and following he divorced from record companies and set up a venue to eliminate most of the middle men and deal directly with his fans who wanted to buy his art.

So ultimately him going against the grain and making a stand for what he believed in his heart was a just cause even when no one else understood or supported his efforts...something inside him was guiding his dealings, and ultimately it boiled down to having more freedom as an artist and business man.

Which drove down prices for his music, which saved fans tons of money, and there was not middlemen execs to scrape 80% of the profits anymore!

I use The Legendary Prince as an example to show just because a system is set up one way and it has obvious limitations and flaws nothing is ever going to change unless someone some where lays it all on the line and says no more....not today.

I am here to tell you there is a new age upon us, and the days of the middle man having total control and set up to profit,and control who profits is not sustainable

customers are pissed, merchants are pissed and middlemen are just passing the buck.

To the gfy idiot who went to my website and sent an email asking me to stop posting on gfy....

What happened to free speech....how troubled must you be by my posts to go to my site and send an anonymous email asking me to stop posting on Gfy....I love it!

Its going to be my word against there's and it was a wrong done to us that they never corrected or sought to correct.

They trounced us and we pleaded desperately with them to not do us dirty because they had such a good reputation it seemed we could hardly believe they were going to sit by and allow the scum to steal our revenue the week of thanksgiving, and causing us to have to cancel thanksgiving plans.

Those are the details never discussed its just shut up swirlgirl you are psycho....but what is never discussed are the consequences and cluster fuck that result from a middle man fucking you out of your money just because he can

The family members that are effected,the dominoe effect of being forced to cancel plans, pay back customers money because the bank stole it and the customer does not want to hear that all they know is they spent money on our site for goods and services and we have to deliver goods and services even without the funds needed to grant the goods and services.

Yeah its a big mess when they do stuff like this,but it happens all the time and they get away with it.

So I have had to sit here and watch them for the past 2 years post in my threads, try and generate business from others without ever even formally apologizing to us that they hooked us up with some cruddy pseudo bank!

No its much easier to join the bandwagon and say see Sara is crazy nobody wants to work with her....no they worked with us and just got in a tight spot and needed 400 bucks for the weekend

If it was any other valid reason they would have returned our customers funds, but no they still have the funds, and still have their reputation and I would not be surprised to find out they have done this scam to many more small business owners.

What happened to us with them was just like a rogue cop assaulting you and attacking you with his baton and taser, and then charging you with contempt of cop and assault

They fucking screwed us out of money and then took the position that we were bad people who should never be allowed to process payments from our customers...but wait, they said sell the website first and then we can set up another account for it LOL

It is no different then a thug on the telling you to reach for the sky and empty your pockets...That is exactly the same theft....one is on the street with a hoody, and the other is in an air conditioned office, on the other side of the country planning, plotting on a way to scheme and steal your money!

Hello Approval Decline.....God almighty thank you for revealing the uncanny APPROVAL DECLINE trick to us!

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Needless to say they flat out stole about $400.00 bucks plus reserves and holdback, and we never seen a nickel of it!
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So if I am filtering through this shit you think Netbilling fucked with your account to steal $400 from you ?

You are fucking crazier than I first thought

It's even worse than that. Netbilling didn't steal money from her, the bank NEEDED the $400 to stay in business. :1orglaugh

man all this time i've been blaming myself for not being rich and successful in business when all the while i could have been blaming others for this instead...

how much does excuses pay anyway?