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Out of curiosity… The ones that do become successful, how do they do it, even with middlemen? They don't have the money yet to pay people off. Do they kill someone? Is that the trick?
Glen, that's what you are doing wrong. You need to become a murderer. I'm sure you could hook up with that dude that chopped off the head on the bus, he probably has some great insight on this topic. |
Imagine that. A lunatic has nothing but a string of unsuccessful relationships behind her.
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How much revenue do you generate?
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if you produce porn and all you have to worry about is a billing company count your blessings. I just got out of a 3rd world dungeon after 2 weeks for filming a regular ass pov scene with a 25yr old, over 2 yrs ago... with ID, 2257, etc but thats common island extortion. house was also raided and everything seized that wasnt nailed down. sure billing is crucial im just saying your gripes as a producer could be much worse if you ever get talent blowback. just charge it to the game and live to fight another day. like it or not, we are all viewed as criminal misfits to those outside of the industry. pay the price
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What they did was knowingly hooked us up with a merchant account service company and they improperly called this company a bank. One day we were supposed to receive a settlement for 400 bucks from the bank...the settlement never came. 400 bucks was collected from a group of my customers and supposed to be settled into our account within 48 hours...the funds never came. We called to find out where our 400 bucks were and was told *the bank* intercepted the funds and they were concerned about transactions. We called this pseudo bank and said what is your concern about transactions...has there been fraud, or suspicious activity? They said no there has not, but this account is supposed to be selling tangible goods right. We said sure we are selling tangible goods, as well as billing for phone consults, and webcam shows. This pseudo banker with the nasally accent said well I had no idea you did phone and webcam. We said really thats funny because wehave been doing it ever since netbilling tech support set up the phone buy now buttons and tested it all out to make it work properly. He said well where are your sales coming from ....we said sales come directly from the site. Many customers like to order dvds and then they like to talk candidly about the scenes on the phone with me. He said can you send me all your marketing materials. We said what does that have to do with releasing our funds and when will you send our 400 bucks? He said I may need to go back in and re code the merchant account because there is more risk associated. We tried desperately to use reason and logic...we said look there have been no chargebacks the revenue is steady and growing rapidly, we asked netbilling if billing for phone and webcam would be permitted with this merchant account and netbilling said and I swear to heaven they told us yes you can...but you may not bill for any memberships!!!! They made us sign a seperate statement swearing we would not use the merchant account to bill for membership subscriptions!!!!!!! WE NEVER BILLED FOR MEMBERSHIP SUBSCRIPTIONS and we never would want to risk losing something so valuable to us, so why would we deliberately do something to kill our business...thats not us, we would not sit up there and do something we were advised not to do. Long story short, we asked netbilling to try and explain to this pseudo banker that they set up the phone buttons and tested everything for us, and they are the ones who signed off and said we would be fine doing it!!!!! Then netbilling does for whatever reason a complete 180 degree turn on us, and said oh my we never knew you were billing for phone. They said you even signed a letter saying you would not bill customers for site memberships! They said a membership and a phone session is the same thing. We said well in our book a membership is a membership and a phone session is a phone session. We said to the banker this.... Listen we have been down this road before we get the sense you are going to try and do everything to keep our 400 bucks. Just let me know now if you are going to release our funds or not. We did nothing intentionally wrong and we followed every rule to the best of our ability. We pleaded and said this is a big misunderstanding can we just sort this out as adults, and work through it. The bank and netbilling kept passing the buck...bank was blaming netbilling, netbilling was blaming the bank and us. We said listen we value our account we would never have processed a telephone consult if we thought for 1 second we did not have approval to do so. The pseudo banker as well as netbilling said because of this misunderstanding you are going on the tmf list, you are losing your merchant account, and you are not getting your money! Thats how they fucking rolled...pure empirical fuck you type of strong arm gestapo business. So there we are left with no merchant account, ruined holiday plans, pissed of customers, no way to accept phone calls or webcams...it was a big fucking disaster that did not have to be. My husband tried valiantly to get in touch with mitch farber thru email, telephone, message board because we had seen enough of Mitch's posts on the board to think he was reasonable and the type of guy who cared about his clients. He never returned a phone call, email, or instant message...he made a post on the boards saying it was unfortunate what happened but it wasn't our fault it was the bank. We felt let down, betrayed, discombobulated, and bitter for we worked very hard at designing the phone page, investing in the leads, watching the phone calls come in, and sales start to grow only to have a psuedo banker steal our money and shut us down because he can. |
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That fucking sucks, but Shimmy how is that not different then what I discuss in this thread...you got jacked by the cops ...I got jacked by the middle men No matter how you slice it there are predators sitting around ready to pounce on producers and revenue generators because ass hats and skil less middle men never generate their own revenue, they simply leech, steal, and jack other peoples revenue. Same principle although you definitely did not deserve to be thrown in a cage, for a victimless crime between consenting adults! Thats is unacceptable glad you are ok! |
This disgusting psycho bitch has taken one too many black cocks and has gone off the deep end. Ban this idiot already...
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please your lordship please ban her....ban her....sheis talking bad about my overlords middlemen masters We can't have that...first rule in adult biz...DO NOT TALK ILL OF THE MIDDLE MEN! Oh no do not allow anyone to question or expose the middle men... Help the middle men are under attack..LOL :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh |
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Hey mate, I'm around all this week and next to discuss traffic, sales and how cute your dog must be. :) Hit me up on ICQ! :) |
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Phone sex and taking orders through the phone is VERY different. You say it isn't in your book but you should understand that if didn't matter what your book say because you are not the one making the rules. You will never succeed until you understand that. Nobody works for free, time is money and if you consume more time than money you will always see the door being slammed in your face. Just look at what you complain about, 400 in revenues that is about 15-20 in fees, split between visa, the bank, the gateway, how much do you expect them to do for 5-6? It sounds like they even tried to help you out after the fuck up. And you are still but happy with the fees ccbill charges you ? |
Just do the work that the "middle men" do for you all by yourself.
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You used a merchant account that was only for tangible goods (DVDs) for intangible transactions (webcams+phone). Intangible transactions are more risky. Read your documents closer next time and just don't assume |
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You do not read with comprehension.....THEY STOLE THE MONEY IN THIS INSTANCE AND FABRICATED A REASON TO JUSTIFY IT. Thats the point the money is still in their hands they stole it! I come here to talk about it and you say they should get paid for gateway use etc... No wonder I am an island in a sea of morons! What part of *Netbilling set us up and approved us to do phone sessions thru their gateway, has their techs install and set phone and webcam services up...then turned around months later after revenue start coming in steadily and said we never said you can do that" Then just take the funds we made from it with total impunity. Then try and twist it into something like we are bad, we are terrible, we are desperate. no desperate ones stole the fucking money...and in their further obvious desperation they think they benefit from some one like you justifying them stealing money. Welcome to the real world where people fuck you over because they can, and because they are desperate. Hey I need money like everyone else and but I am not desperate to where I would just *TAKE* money from another human being... Thats why all of you are fucking animals in my book who sit there and defend middle men stealing. Tell me how this was not a desperate middle man stealing....further more I can admit when I am wrong, and when its my fault.... Having a company set us up to accept phone and webcam and then do a bold faced lie and say they didn't shows you how fucking corrupt and repugnant some sectors of the industry are. You mother fuckers that hollar "oh thats just the way it is accept it or shut up and start your own billing....fuck you you don't have the mental aptitude nor the vision, nor the insult level to want to off set the imbalance of power between the middle men and us fucking permanent pussies who worship authority, banks, pseudo banks,middlemen, and ass hats. Only you would defend middle men theft only you! |
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I honestly don't understand your point Sara, WHY you even bothering posting on GFY. Who are you trying to convince? Affiliates won't work with you (which is a shame), program owners aren't interested, major players are too busy to even notice you, so WHO are you trying to convince and why are you even bothering?
Wouldn't your time be better spent writing articles and submiting them to drive traffic to your website? Or filming new content? Or taking all that typing and putting it on a Sara Swirls Blog to again improve your business? I don't get it. If you think you're helping people (fellow webmasters) with your "information" please trust me, we got it. Thanks, but we can take it from here. Maybe this is just your therapy or a way to vent. If so, that's cool but then don't be surprised or offended if most people treat you like the crazy ex-girlfriend who keeps rambling on about some shit you no longer (if ever) cared about. |
This is like the adult version of that gordon ramsey show episode someone posted the other day.
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I haven't forgotten about you, will hit you up next week for sure. |
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Perhaps I am amusing myself... Perhaps I am venting steam... perhaps I am exposing behind the scenes shit thats been covered up for too long... Perhaps you misunderstand my motives... Perhaps I love everything about this industry except the fact that all of my disenchanting experiences has come from actions of desperate fucking middle men... Other than that this industry has paid off in ways people like you would never appreciate or imagine. I am good and in a good place, you falsely suspect I am posting from a posture of misery! I ask if middle men have too much control which is yes or no and it morphs into jerry springer every time. You love it.....ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? |
one things certain everyone will know you at a show :thumbsup
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If we say yes, then we are agreeing with you and are finally ready to admit that you are right. If we say no then we are not ready to admit it yet but you are still right. Both choices have one thing in common, they state that you are right in your supposition that middle men have too much control. It is a loaded question. Quote:
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You can start educating yourself here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=mwUZOZN-9dc But there are many many resources. |
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My guess is that they were set up to process cardholder present transactions for tangible goods over the telephone (for some reason) but they used it for cardholder not present transactions for phone services? |
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Without actually calling the bank again as it has been a long time ago now, I believe that was the case. This bank (HMS) works very closely with us and has been processing adult for over 15 years. We have hundreds of merchants with solid accounts there and we continue to setup and process for new accounts weekly. Mitch |
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but I don't know nothing bout nothing Bible is more than just a myth....it is a collection of literature...many different books written over a span of many ages poems proverbs spiritual principles metaphysics world history mythology plus much more can be yielded from the bible when placed in proper context! I love the part about the giants coming down to earth to mate with the daughters of men...I guess that never happend either :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh |
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Had we not thought mitch farber came across reasonable on the boards we would not have tried so desperately to climb the netbilling chain of command to personally beg him to help us resolve this Theft. He has proven to us and the industry that he can answer and respond to assertions raised in a thread but cannot return a phone call or email to his clients when they are settlement jacked by his bossom buddies at the pseudo bank We have never received our last payout settlements, plus reserves, and hold backs...any idea when you can get these released to us mitch? We can settle this anytime mitch just kindly provide your routing # and checking account # and I will take care of it from here. On second thought I am more charitable then you...so I give you permission to keep it for yourselves...Go ahead its on me.... thats my $400.00 dollar donation to the MIDDLE MEN FOUNDATION No thanks needed we wish to see you guys benefit from our generosity:thumbsup "they are not going to steal your money...they are a bank" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh |
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