It's tougher if you have morals. Many people bragging about making bank are doing payday loans and scams. But there is a lot out there which isn't as much of a scam - some people are making money from things like coupons and recipes. A good transitional one for people coming from adult is casual dating presuming you have any experience with adult dating.

The advantage the porn site affiliate has now is that it's not tough to make more in mainstream than you make in adult with porn sites. It's pretty easy because the revenue is down from paysites as an affiliate. If you go tell the guys in mainstream that you make one $20 sale in average on 50,000 unique visitors to your adult site you will be able to see their eyes bulge through the screen even though they might be 5,000 miles away from you. :)

Why would you be sending 2000 surfers to a program that only converts one of them?

This is the best evidence of the adapt or die webmaster choosing to die.

appreciated.

i do think there are other areas to gather traffic from, good enough even to perhaps be focused on, for small/new, uniquely produced sites, over tube traffic because it's so very targeted. twitter, reddit, and imgur come to mind.

Same question to you as to oldjeff.

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And that's the reason why I won't ever pay for porn. Yes, I'm an affiliate. But would I ever pay for it? No because I don't trust any adult company with my card. Once I signed up to something years ago and got charged three times over. Never again.

I make one $10-50 sale in 500-1500ish uniques with Really Useful Cash right now. You have to find what is new and selling constantly as an affiliate to do that as well as knowing how to be a salesman.

(Yeah, I work for them, but I have stats to prove it using only blogs..) :upsidedow

Bingo :thumbsup

Personally, that's true for me. I rarely sign up to a new program nowadays without doing extensive research on them - mainstream or adult. And you know what? I've signed up to maybe 2 new programs over the last 6 months.

So many programs are either changing rules, shutting down, not paying, generally make it harder for their affiliates to convert.. I have to work hard to even get that sale and in the end I may get fucked over.. where's the incentive? :2 cents:

Most affiliates don't have an easy way of replacing links. Depending on their traffic generation methods it may not be possible for them to swap out one sponsor for another especially when sponsor content is being used.

1:2000 isn't bad for some types of traffic. For others it's horrible. But the ratio is nothing compared to the ctr and the effect it has. People simply don't click on what they know is a pay site because they have no intention of paying. I would gladly take a 1:5000 ratio with a 10% ctr over 1:1000 with a 0.5% ctr.

I'll look past you working for them. :) Is that uniques to your site or uniques to their site? Take the amount you make from them in pennies per month and divide that by the amount of monthly unique visitors on your sites where they are displayed. That's a much better way to measure. I think for most affiliates this will be pretty eye opening. It was for me.

I'd have to do some digging to find total uniques on all of the blogs, I was talking about clicks to their site. :winkwink:

If I do your math for uniques to the site, it comes to 0.031. I'll get the number using uniques to the blogs in a bit. :upsidedow
(Hun listings that got no sales are going to kill that number, though.. lol)

Here is what surprises me about this biz - people expect things to just continue... just a free money box that should spit out magical digital dollars and how dare it if it slows down or stops.

Every other business I'm aware of requires constant adjusting to market conditions, innovating new strategies, changing business partnerships and affiliations...Breaking into new territories or demographics or products.

A website is like a movie - it makes some money from a few rev streams then it slowly drops off till finally its not making anyone any money anymore, some small royalties but thats it. (There are exceptions of course...some sites still growing bigger and bigger, but its not the norm)

Why do people think websites should continue to forever flow the same dollars they did 10...or even 5 years ago? Todays profitable sites EVOLVE to increase their longevity but there will always be the inevitable drop.

If you apply any kind of market trend analysis to the porn biz its clear that nothing has changed with regard to over all sales - people still spend the same percentage of their income on porn as they did 7-10 years ago (or MORE) - you just have to be smarter and more innovative to capture those dollars.

You want to place blame then blame the arrow of time and evolution.

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The most vocal of the complainers on this board are people who haven't really done anything new or interesting, and don't realize just how lucky they were to have even made money in the past.

Not sure what you're trying to sell, but it seems to be the wrong thing for the traffic you have.

One of the most intelligent posts EVER on this board

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Piracy, tubes...it will get worse before it gets better

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The topic isn't about placing blame. That has been more people such as yourself coming in and telling others that they are lazy, stupid, ignorant,etc. and that things are better than ever (because you who aren't even an affiliate says so and insert your opinion with little or no facts relevant to affiliates here).

The point is that we are there. For most pay site affiliates out there I guarantee you that what I posted is the reality if not worse. 100,000 - 200,000 page views per sale. It's not just me. It's not something I made up.

You can't win chasing that game unless you throw huge numbers at it. You'll always be poor when you are operating under this type of equation.

Yes. Unfortunately they don't want pay sites. That's the point.

Because as an affiliate, every other program converts at 1:2500 +

Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away.
Now it looks as though they're here to stay.
Oh, I believe, in yesterday.

Suddenly, I'm not half the man I used to be.
There's a shadow hanging over me.
Oh, yesterday same suddenly.

Who do you promote? There are plenty of sales still out there. Sure, it's not easy cash 1999 anymore, but there are an incredible number of people still joining paysites.

As Old Jeff said, you can't compare it anymore to the "old days" even though it is fun to do so. What we have is NOW and either you can make it in today's business or you can't. It will never be like it was before so it's not even worth bitching about anymore. I had to break myself of the same habit and totally refocus and rethink everything I was doing and the end results are that I'm making more money online in 2013 than I have in the past few years, so that means sales are up. Yea, I have those weeks everyone else has where things so down, but generally things are moving forward, not backwards.

I used to be a HUGE complainer of tubes, and I still dislike them. I hate pirates and love to take jabs at them when I can, but they are not going anywhere anytime soon and neither am I, so I've had to change my game plan and let loose of what I can't change and focus on what I can.

Either you can function in today's market or you can't. No shame in finding another job if you can't, you gotta do what you gotta do. It sucks, yea, but it is what it is. I work in small niches, with small sites, with small amounts of traffic, and I've learned how to get the most out of what I have and try by best to not complain too much about the way it used to be, because that is over. Gone. Never coming back. I can bitch about it or I can spend that time working on the things I have found that do still work.

So you either need to rethink it all and make a new game plan, or find another job. But know that there is plenty of money still to be made out there.

1 sale in 200,000 impressions is still more than enough to make 3-4 times what it cost to host.

yet, these types of numbers are not any good right ?

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Yes there are people still joining paysites. Yes you still make some money. But for affiliates they are having to generate 100,000 to 200,000 or more pageviews on their site before they make a sale.

It's like a broken record. It's completely different for a sponsor than an affiliate. If you make 200,000 page views on your paysite tour page then you're probably doing great. If an affiliate makes 200,000 page views on their site and does nothing else but send traffic to your paysite then the odds are that they are having Top Ramen tonight.

If you can't understand that then go back and read page one again until you do. It's amazing how many people can't seem to grasp this.

It's not a choice between being a paysite affiliate and finding another job. There are other things to do both inside and outside of the industry. That is what I am trying to convey to other affiliates. That maybe it's time to quit banging your head against the wall if you're still doing that. No one ever explained it to me that I was having to make 200,000 page views to make a sale. In the past I was stuck on ratios. It never occurred to me how bad it really was.

You can still make a profit for sure. But the question is could you make more by selling something besides paysites? Is there a better and more efficient use of your time? As the numbers get worse the answer for more affiliates is yes.

No one sat down with me and said hey look at this. You're having to serve a quarter of a million pageviews before you make a paysite affiliate sale. I wish someone would have put that in my face a year or two ago because it's an eye opener.

If you are taking 200,000 page views to make a sale, you are doing something wrong. If I had to guess it would be trying to create a surfer experience instead of trying to get them to a money maker, hidden cross sales, who cares, confusing join page saying free, and hiding the tril part, thats nice.

MONEY that is what I want from a surfer, I do not care if they never see a picture

You sir, have fucking got it. God damn man, you're impressing me... I want to watch you rail a ladyboy right now...


No homo. :Oh crap

We still pay out thousands of dollars per month to affiliates, and our payouts are going up, month after month. We've been able to continue to grow by seeking out and finding fresh niches to promote with content people can't find elsewhere or get easily from any tube sites! :thumbsup

The key really from what I see across our programs is to find a unique niche to promote. Don't target the general porn niches that are overly saturated with tons of competition both from other affiliates and the free sites. Try something new and get outside your box, there is still money to be made and people willing to take out their credit cards to support you if you give them a reason to!

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oh and DWB is the man

Some affiliates, but that is their problem. Maybe they are pushing the wrong sponsors, or don't know their traffic, or simply don't know what they are doing. Or maybe that's just the way it is now. Whatever the case, deal with it and focus on where you can make money right now.

$5 Submissions made a great simple post the other day about if 20% of what you work on brings in the money, and 80% doesn't, then focus on that 20%. As simple as that is, that is the absolute truth. I'm sure there is something that you're doing online that is working and giving you better results, focus on those things, or that one single site. Find one strength and build on that. Scale that one strength. Then do it again.

Program owners are affiliates too ya know. While I don't live or die by my affiliate sales, with the exception of cams, my ratios are decent enough to most sites.

Oh, I understand it. I am a site owner and an affiliate. I understand it perfectly. It's harder to make sales today than it was 13 years ago and the numbers are worse for many people. OK, now we know that, so lets move on and focus on where we can make sales today. Pandora's box is open. I'd love for it to shut but it's not going to.


There is money to be made all over the internet. Get in where you fit in and go make it. If your numbers stink in one area and you can't figure out how to fix it, do something else. If you're not OK with having to make 200,000 page views to make a sale, then you had better do something about it, and fast.

Yes, numbers are a lot different today than they were in 1999, but what did you expect? The entire world has changed in the past decade, did you think the porn business and stats wouldn't?

You have to pay to watch me rail a ladyboy, but I'll give you some ladyboy boo-tay for free.

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lazy motherfuckers

That's not sad.. that's called adapt or die.

This industry is made up of businesses that succeed and when one fails, they either adapt/adjust or they need to just stop and quit.

That's how all industries function.

Just because when this industry first began in the 90's and pioneered nearly every damn marketing, payment processing, website development, management system, marketing strategy, the entire advertising and monetizing industry of the interwebs, etc etc.. doesn't mean that people in this industry should have it easy or have some free or low/cheap barrier to entry in order to turn a profit.

No fucking way.

Sure, back in the 90's, we had it made. In fact, if you couldn't figure out how to bank hard, there must have been something very wrong with you. It was a cash machine on crack. Those were the days.. But then a bunch of idiots rolled up and decided it was easier to compete by just giving shit away for free, or worse, to tease consumers by giving them a bunch of pics and then movie clips away for free as a "preview" incentive.. as if guys needed a fuckin preview to convince them to buy or not. That's where this industry went wrong. The TGP crap.. and it just grew as an accepted practice from then on.

Now fast forward to 2010+...

Nowadays consumers are fully aware they can get all of that teaser shit for free, and all of the full "premium" versions for free too! So why pay?

And you know what that does? It makes life a lot tougher for all of those tgp and mgp dickheads fail as a cause and effect of the same stupid game they started with.

So... if you can't figure out how to adapt and profit, get the fuck out of the industry. Go find something easier, cheaper, more accepted, something you can tell your wife's mother about that won't get you weird looks.

But those original profit margins are not gonna happen again so quit sitting around trying to wish for it.

You guys used to be the most forward thinking, advanced, out of the box creative marketing and sales mavens in all the land.. and now... copy and paste and playing defense and catch up.

I only have respect for those corps and players in this industry now that have not only survived for this long, but are thriving in secret while the rest of you squabble around for their table scraps. Everyone else needs to get their game on and be creative again, otherwise its gonna be a short lived career in an industry that sells addictive material that most every male of the human species is addicted to, naturally.

Enough whining about it. Do something, or fuck off. End of story.

(I'll invoice you kiddies later for the motivational service)

Which is what the topic is about. But apparently the same sponsors and the same reps get upset when any affiliate talks to other affiliates and says anything other than "it's better than ever! keep dedicating your life to sending traffic to pay site sponsors!"

Look at some of these replies. It's just a circle jerk of people who aren't really affiliates telling others how it is and agreeing with each other. That's useless. What does an affiliate care what a sponsor or rep thinks?

Agree.

It's different. If you understood you would not have entered the topic and spoke in the way you did. You don't understand what it is to mostly be a pay site affiliate in 2013 because you aren't one and that doesn't apply to you. You don't "live and die by your affiliate sites" as you said. Your personal affiliate sales are a bonus for you. This topic was never meant for you.

That's what the topic is about. But some people seem to get really upset when someone points it out in a way without sugar coating or blaming the affiliate for it.

Yes we agree. But yet for some reason you felt the need to give me a lecture after telling me I am promoting the wrong sites, my expectations are too high, living in the past, and on and on. When in the end we agreed the whole time on what really matters minus the other bullshit. I guess you just wanted to bitch at me? I don't know. You tell me. :upsidedow

To be point blank I think a lot of you are just assholes. Not necessarily you DWB but a few of the others who have replied. You're not primarily affiliates and you know it. Many were never affiliates. Yet you can't resist the opportunity to act like an ass and make snide comments here and there. I've seen it happen more and more over the years and it's now to the point where a thread like this which is clearly meant for affiliates gets filled with 80% of the replies being from smart ass reps and sponsors making snide remarks and generalities.

I know you're not Paul Markham but... are you sure you're not Paul Markham?