And your body is naturally producing again after a full year of being "shut down"? Did you actually need HRT or were you just taking an HRT dose to supplement? 400/Mo!? thats 100/Shot, thats insane!!!

this was through a hormone doctor here in socal, it was not cheap but i felt it the best way to go about the therapy. if it worked, i could go elsewhere for supplies after sorting out the regiment with the doctor, but i've learned self-prescribing prolongs sorting out proper dosages. it also may have been under $400, i don't have the receipts here, but not by much.

i took it to supplement, but the doc ran the blood panels and said i needed it, just like most other 45 year old males.

Damn, you gotta get some insurance that covers it! I know here without INS, dr's are charging $100 for the initial visit around 100/bottle for test cyp 250mg/ML, at an HRT dose of 100-150mg/week thatll last you quite some time, anywhere from 16-25 weeks. Throw in some bloods and ancillaries, im not sure why you were being charged 400/Mo, thats outrageous.

i went through quite a bit of research before picking the doctor i went with. i was aware of his costs in comparison to others and felt his expertise was worth the added expense.


hormone therapy is something i don't think is worth monkeying with. as you prolly know, insulin is required for muscle growth, in conjunction with gh. i have a pretty bizarre variety of type 1 diabetes, it was important to me to seek out a hormone specialist who had experience so we could sort out my hormone situation. that's not cheap but it is worth it.

Makes complete sense, definitely took some cojones to even consider doing that with your current condition. So how do you feel now vs when you were on HRT? Better, worse, same?

well, my situation now is different than then so. a lot has changed in 4 years. but i feel fine these days. i don't push the training as hard as i used to, maintenance only.

i'll dial it up pre-vacation but i keep at ~11%bf exercising <30 minutes 4-5 days a week. a solid diet, of course, proper amount of cals being a priority. on a daily basis i look a lot better than dudes 1/2 my age.

no alcohol though. i'll *maybe* have a vodka otr on a date or whatever, rarely. this alone makes it all a lot easier, as you know.

100%, that's a great BF to be at, and yea id say more than 1/2. Having a good look around when you're at the beach really puts things into perspective. We are the minority to the 3rd degree, sad in a way. But you cant force people to change, they have to want it.

Anybody ever go on testosterone? I'm about to start Testopel soon, and I plan on putting it to good use. I'm actually one of the people who really does have a medical problem, and needs to supplement because of a varicocele -- which has been corrected with surgery, but the testosterone is still needed to boost my number.

I have kind of felt like shit lately, so I'm wondering if it really does make a difference in the way you feel.

Anyone here using sports tracker for android?

whats your test level now and what dose?

I've been hovering around 200 for a quite a while, but couldn't go on the testosterone because of other issues. I don't know what the dose is yet. We've only discussed it and I have an appointment in a couple of weeks. This doctor specializes in all things male, and is one of the top guys in my area.

I already have a good ability to get in shape and put on muscle, so I'm wondering how much better it could be after starting my therapy.

I'm assuming heart related or cholesterol related? 200 is WAYYY low, last time I was tested it was 898 and thats on the high/er side. A 100-150mg shot should bring you right into the sweet spot.

Yeah I had a varicocle which almost killed my T production, and it went on for years without me knowing about it. I still do OK because I'm in good shape, I can grow a beard and I have no problems in the bedroom. I would just say I feel like shit most of the time, and now it makes sense when I found out about the Low T.

I'm going on Testopel, which is subcutaneously implanted in the butt cheek every 3 months. It releases its dosage intermittently, which supposedly gives you a more balanced effect -- and none of it is wasted. We'll see.

Sub Q or Intramuscular is the way to go. SubQ offers a longer released time even with a regular testosterone based injection.

does no one just exercise anymore without all the other stuff?

the subcutaneous test must be new eh? it was intramuscular only when i was on it.

Nothing new at all, just not the way most people go. Injections go into the subQ layer all the time especially when you dont use a long enough pin. Once it does go subQ it takes a little longer for absorption but you also run the risk of a little more post injection pain.

After watching this video, I don't know if want to subject my body to this every 3 months.



My doc told me that one thing that's great about the pellets is that after the initial week of healing, you forget you have a T problem. With creams, gels and injections you're constantly reminded.

I would just go IM and do it yourself 1x a week.

it's actually pretty new and would have only been available for a short while when i was scripted test back in 2008/09

I don't mind needles when someone else is doing it. My wife would probably have to handle this.

Really is something you should learn to do yourself. Its a lot different when youre injecting and come close to a nerve, you can feel that youre getting close. With another person...they just stick it in and well...if u hit a nerve with a needle you can damn near snap the pin

subcutaneous makes it easy breezy. i have to fire up subc insuin shots 5-7x daily they're short enough so you don't have to worry about hitting anything major.

Dang for some reason I was under the impression it was around longer than that, at least 10 years or so. Definitely seems like the way to go, painless as well for the most part.

p90x and insanity is basically the male version of zumba.. You will lose weight you will build a bit of muscle (not a lot) and in the end if your diet is all over the place you will just be a 'skinny fat' mess.. Basically just deflates the balloon. By building muscle in a gym with heavy resistance you shrink the balloon and lessen your chances of becoming fat again.

I have a couple people on my slow pitch team that lost 30-40lbs+ over the winter doing those workouts, and it helped them a lot, they still have their double chins but a lot lighter. If they don't add in more resistance in there they will gain it all back as soon as they stop those workouts (which is inevitable, even top athletes take breaks). With weight training i can get away with so much more. Building muscle keeps the engine running hot where strictly cardio is just like keeping the engine idling.

dang right! all the difference in the world. tbh, i cringe at intramuscular injections still even though i've given myself literally 1000s of sub shots! crazy.



that's kinda how i look at it too. i've tweaked my current p90x proggie to be mostly pushups, pullups and yoga.

re: the cardio, it helps in the sack. :)

3km swim and a 5 km jog

Lost about 6 pounds in the last 3 weeks by cutting a few hundred calories per day, cutting down on sugar and doing sprints for 10 minutes every other day.

The only other exercise has been a daily 30 minute walk with my dog and a 10 minute kettlebell workout about twice a week. I'm aiming for another 8 pounds by the time I go on vacation in a month.

You don't need tons of time to get in shape.

Log your fitness activity here.

Lets keep it rolling...

Insane Back/Traps/Tri Day today:

Back
Deadlifts 1/20 1/12 1/8 1/6
SuperSet
Chinups 1/20 1/12 1/8 1/6
SuperSet
Dumbbell Pull Over 1/20 1/12 1/8 1/6

Tris
Skull Crusher 3/20
Superset
Rope Ext. 3/20
Superset
Close Grip Pushup 3/Fail

Traps
Behind Back Smith Shrugs 3/100

Abs
Hanging Leg Lifts 4/50

Today i will run for 30-35 minutes.
plus do some core body exercises to help counteract hours of sitting down..lol
A few months ago when i would stand up my back would strain id end up slightly bent for a few seconds. Anyway. After even a month i noticed it better, now im going to make it like it never happened.

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2.2 km swim, 5Km run. Which, since i hate running is amazing for me

I got one a couple of months ago, set my goal to 3000 and hit a streak for 51 days. I lost the streak this weekend, but the device is an ultra motivator, especially if you know people that have it; you just gotta earn more full than them! :thumbsup

Today will do

5k run with sprints up steep incline mid run (morning).

Then afternoon insanity work out.

I am still biking every day, usually 6 miles daily. The other day I did 12 miles in one day.

For the last few years I've hit the gym for 60-90 minutes 3-4 times per week but with the warm weather I've taken a few weeks to just enjoy the heat and drink beer under the sun

Almost reached my target body fat percentage. Shooting for 6% by end of august, was 7.4% as of last night. Gotta keep on truckin!!!

Just started Androgel yesterday. I'm going to put it good use and get Hugh Jackman ripped.

If youre prescribed HRT id try to push your dr into prescribing you injections. Too many risk factors with the gel especially when it comes to the issue of physical contact with people.

We're doing the gel first as a trial to see how I respond. He talked about moving to injections, or subcutaneous pellets down the road.

I didn't think the application was bad at all. It took about 5 minutes after my nightly shower. As far as contact goes, there's not much chance for that because I'm doing it in the evening before bed.

smartest post of the year

Are you guys taking multivitamins ?

If you have a lady friend, or sleep with a woman they will be in contact with the sheets you sleep on and the gel at some point in time. Just something id rather not risk with my partner and something to think about. Not to mention the absorption of transdermals is mediocre at best

3km swim in 72 minutes, my best time ever.

I thought about that. I like to sleep naked, and all I think about is something getting on the sheets -- although we're very territorial about bed space. If we get busy, it's usually somewhere else in the house.

So far I feel a little better. I've taken a couple 30 mile bike rides lately, which I definitely didn't have the motivation for when I was at my low point. One unwanted side effect is becoming wired in the middle of the night, but I like to apply at night because that's when I shower.

I'm going in for a blood test next week. I might ask the doc to go on injections because I'm already tired of rubbing this shit in every night -- and whether or not I'm getting it on my wife. I'm not scared of needles so it shouldn't be problem to jab my leg every week.

Monday - 1hr BJJ, 1hr MuyThai sparring, 20-30mins MMA sparring
Tuesday - 1 1/2hr thai pad training, 1hr MMA training
Wednesday - 1hr BJJ, 1hr MuyThai sparring, 20-30mins MMA sparring
Thursday - 1 1/2hr focus mitt training, 1hr Wrestling training
Friday - rest
Saturday - 2-3 hrs BJJ sparring
Sunday - rest

Test is the life blood of a dude. If you're still tryin to pop out lil Broncos, test goin to kill your seed count. If youre doc is cool, and you want to keep seed count high w more test, ask for Clomid.

I'm hittin Clomid for over a year now, 50mg every other day, test went from 350 to 890, steady.

Good luck G.

i like this thread.
trying to exercise more myself. Mostly running.