I still don't quite get what the fuck you are saying. :1orglaugh

I wish you had a better grasp of the English language cause half the time I can barely figure out what you are posting about.

Can anybody else decipher what exactly Richard is attempting to communicate here?

EDIT: FIFTY sick fucks who don't have "normal" sex

defend this shit again.

very well said sir

So what about the infinite number of other niches they can get into for a quick buck? Bottom line is that the girl could walk away if she wanted, there are plenty of "vanilla" studios they could work with. Or shit, she could become a stripper and make "quick money" and not have to subject herself to any sort o physical attention..

As to the dick stomping analogy, I think it's pretty valid. I'm sure there are plenty of WOMEN who get off to watching guys be humiliated and throat fucked and gagged by a beastly hermaphrodite or a chick with a strap on.. And I'm sure there are plenty of women who enjoy watching other women tied up and ripped apart.

I was waiting for someone to bring this up. I'm not even going into what I do in dungeons, but I can testify that while there, I am surrounded by everything Robbie described and more...complete with tears and screaming. But, each person is there on their own will and loving every painful minute.

:2 cents:

I think the more interesting question is - who, exactly watches this stuff and why?

As for who does it and why they do, the answer is easy. Whenever there is a need for something and an opportunity to make money, someone will, sooner rather than later, fill the vacuum. It's the same with performers, and each of them makes his or her own calculus of risk, harm, pain, ego, etc. and compares it with the presumed gain, money, fame, attention, etc. and makes a decision. All those decisions are personal to the people involved, but there will always be somebody who is willing to do just about anything.

If anybody has demographics about the target audiences of hard/weird/strange/ultrarough/deviant or interracial porn, they keep the numbers to themselves. But I've got a hunch that these same people would be anxious to see King Kong or his closest and most massive relative from the zoo impale Faye Ray or any modern-day equivalent of a tiny, petite, helpless female. Because those things are pretty tough to film and distribute on the Internet, they seek out the material that brings them closest to that experience. Hard porn performs a valuable service to society at large. It takes an enormous amount of rage and hostility and insecurity towards women and safely deposits it at the bottom of a trash can when the experience is over. And that's why sexual assault rates keep dropping in step with broadband internet access.

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You sir, make no sense.

Not even sure if you know what the subject of the thread is.

That is just ignorant. The people into the whole BDSM scene are NOT like that at all. They are your neighbors, your doctor, and yes...even lawyers (though obviously not YOU lol)

Robbie, I'm addressing the audience for hard porn. Not the "lifestyle" BDSM people. That looks like the subject on the table: "When Porn Crosses the Line".

the video that this entire thread is about.

do you know if it's staged or not.

simple question.

when they don't have funny stuff to show, they post those facial abuse stupid videos.

What bothers me more is not the trend toward more "degrading" hardcore porn but the trend in more webmasters throwing up banners depicting the most violent porn thinking that the nastier the better will get them a signup. More often than not I'm surfing for some softcore METART type porn and out of nowhere I'm bombarded with banners of abused 18 year olds. Some things you just can't unsee.

Yup, that was pretty much what I was trying to get across too. Don't think some of these guys want to hear it, so they're taking it in a different direction. Whatever tho.

NOW I understand what you're asking. Whew...I thought you had a stroke and were typing random thoughts. heh-heh

As they say in pro wrestling: EVERYTHING is a "work".

So yeah, I don't believe it's "real". Of course I don't know that for a fact...but since the girl signed a model release and got paid...

Now a "simple question" for you...why were you so hellbent on asking me that? What does it have to do with the people I was addressing in this thread who seem so smug and knowledgeable about other people's sexuality?

Troll much? :1orglaugh

it was clear the first time i asked; thanks for taking the time to answer.

Go to an adult modeling site - post the following ad - see what happens...

"Wanted - Submissive sluts wanted for degrading videos."

That ad will get many times more replies than this one...

"Wanted - Softcore models for solo scenes."

So, who do you blame for this?

My studio used to be the stop-over waiting room, between my sites and Duke's sites. The girls would look forward to the harder scenes they were about to do AFTER my silly softcore stuff.

Some of my models used to masturbate to Facial Abuse, and they told me that they were happiest when the girls cried.

Everyone is excited and/or disgusted by different stuff.

Personally I gag every time I see a person suck on a foot. That grosses me out.

Who the fuck knows what people want. It's a crazy world we live in.

And I was addressing the fact that the girls who shoot scenes for Kink and other "hard" (not my description) sites DO enjoy that kind of sex and shoot over and over for those sites. I was using the FACT that a huge percentage of people in everyday life do those kinds of things for pleasure to drive the point home.

As for what I "don't want to hear"...you're telling me to listen to you and Joe tell me about sex.
That's like telling a Professor to listen to two freshmen. :1orglaugh

I wasn't aware of your extensive experience in the scat niche. Tell me all about it.

:1orglaugh What the actual...?

So claiming women "love" eating feces, as you did, is not derogatory or generalizing, whereas suggesting they're perhaps doing it for reasons other than 'loving it', as I did, is derogatory?

You are out of your mind.

helterskelter808 you are acting dumb now.

I'm outta here. You guys keep discussing human sexuality. You are obviously so experienced and have so much knowledge to share.

I'm going to dinner on the strip and then go see the show "The Million Dollar Quartet" at Harrahs.

As for the rest of you: Please go out and get laid. lol

That video was pretty hard to watch. It's shitty that somebody filmed that (no pun intended) and even shittier that they edited it and put it online. That girl obviously wasn't acting and was truly miserable. Ugh. Some people have no heart.

if you've watched certain rough porn scenes its pretty clear the girl is not really into it and is doing it for the pay. either that or their crying, etc is fake. of course there are a good number who enjoy it and want it but there are also a number of them who think it sounds good in their heads but when they try it, they break or they just do it for the pay.

a bigger question is why do some people like that? i'd argue there are so many reasons from being wired a certain way down to re-enacting childhood abuse. there are a good number of healthy well adjusted people in that kind of lifestyle but also a good number of head cases that could use some real therapy instead of attempting to turn their emotional pain into physical pain.

i would guess the average person watching this kind of porn isn't about the lifestyle at all but is just an average loser seeking out such images due to general resentment towards women as a result of rejection or something similar.

is there some kind or code in your post??? what are you trying to tell us????? please don't say 'pegging' :helpme

"code", "pegging"?

Brother I have no fucking idea what you are saying. My post is pretty damn clear...most of the people on GFY are nerdy, fat fucks with no idea about sexuality and what people do in their private lives.

And from reading the asinine statements about how they think it's "real" and the girl is "miserable", etc. they have obviously no idea how showbiz works.

Some of the people in this thread are completely and totally what carnies call "marks".

They probably believe that HHH really hits people with a sledgehammer in the WWE ring too.
And in those Rambo movies...that shit was all real too.

Jesus Christ! I can't believe what I'm reading on here.

People...the girl in that video signed a fucking model release AND got paid. She wasn't miserable. And it's NOT real.

Good God!

But I'm tired of reading this shit. Believe whatever some of you want to believe. Who cares? And if you want to bitch about it...then bitch at Duke Skywalker. It's a Duke Dollars scene right?

I'll leave you prudes who believe this kind of stuff is "real" with a KinkyDollars video for you to chew on:
http://xpornxporn.com/videos/big-tit...ted-13644.html

Everybody always blamin the duke!
:)
Ds

you see what happened to xxxjay i'd stop now

Yep , I had GF who worked as a waitress at a Waffle House. Customers would play beat the check, stiff her after treating her like their personal servant. While making when all was said and done a little more than min wage.

Just so everyone here knows, this is all approved from the beginning of the booking process: from my initial call to the agent, to all the girls' arrivals on set, through make-up, each and every girl who was "Cumbanged" knew exactly what was going down...and approved it. Also, some of the girls refused to allow the "Cumbangers" to wear the shirts, and, instead of not booking the girl, we turned it into a fun scenario that the girl not only approved...but liked.

Everyone makes their money on a Dogfart set in a fun, relaxed, and, most importantly, a consensual atmosphere -- whether Spring Thomas is dropping the "NBomb" on one of her co-stars, or there's a cuckold eating a creamed pie, or a cute white girl is interrupting a Black Power Meeting for Interracial BlowBang.

was it staged?

i have a hard time believing every freak out in the facial abuse scenes is staged. its the amateur girls they get from god knows where that are the ones that seem to freak out/break down the most.

there is reasons for before and after filming for bdsm scenes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion

congrats to the winners.

"Duress has two aspects. One is that it negates the person's consent to an act, such as sexual activity or the entering into a contract; or, secondly, as a possible legal defense or justification to an otherwise unlawful act.[1]"

i think it's fair to say that some adult actors have had meltdowns on set. regardless of what they signed or were informed of.

I think you misunderstood his post.

ds make the girls cry and he laughs about it

im often misunderstood :thumbsup

its definitely a good idea. i'm sure this is probably done with most porn scenes to some extent as well. we just don't see it as they don't publish it. there are a lot of things we don't see in many scenes. facialabuse gets a lot of flack because where most would edit those bits out, they leave them in. fact is we don't really know how common of an occurrence having to calm a girl down who freaks out and starts crying is.

Some of the so called porn posted on here makes me feel sick whats wrong with you people that like seeing a girl beaten then fucked its discusting

Not enough pictures in this thread :)

whenever i book a porn*star* for a shoot i'm always curious how many bruises she will show up with. most the time they're fine, but it's more often that i would like they show up bruised.

Till I read this thread, I'd always guessed that a jury made up of people in the adult industry would be a dream come true in the defense of a criminal obscenity trial.

The title of the thread - implying a line that somebody needs to set - is an affront to what I think freedom of speech means. Now, it's possible that people posting here are only talking about their own, personal moral tastes and values, and if that's the case, I respect all of those opinions and the people who assert them. But I'm afraid that some of them mean more than an expression of personal opinion and go to what society should permit.

No one has the right to tell anyone else what they can read. What they can view. What they can produce and take to market. If freedom of speech does not mean that, it does not mean anything.

No limit. No line. Nobody should go to jail for publishing anything.

If you can't accept that, you believe in censorship and you're just quibbling over the definition.

Great post Joe!

There must be a line:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luka_Ma...der_of_Lin_Jun

and freedom of speech is not the point.
There are humiliating someone who is trapped in a situation.
And it doesn't look stagged and she doesn't seems to enjoy what they are doing. They are humiliating her and she doesn't seems to like it.

You don't need censorship or obscenity laws to prosecute murder.

No limits.

When People v. Freeman was being decided in California, the case that took the making of porn out of the reach of the prostitution laws, your precise argument was made by prosecutors - that pornography should not deserve constitutional protection because it was nothing more than the recordation of the crime of prostitution. The backdoor entry into censorship has always been that argument. In fact, grisly videos showing every cruelty that one person can inflict upon another (some lawfully, others clearly criminal) exist on the internet and they all teach important lessons that can't be learned as well but by seeing them. It is a better society that shows everything, hides nothing, and lets people make decisions based on reality, visual and audio, leaving as little as possible to revisionism and interpretation. The truth is nothing to fear. And it is necessary for people to make decisions. If a video captures a crime, prosecute that crime, not the video that records it.

No limits.

could you provide some real world examples please?

:)

the reason i ask is that i've chosen to never watch those videos and am curious what lessons i am missing.

I always think it's kind of funny when people post about how they got out of serving jury duty because they're just so smart. Here's to hoping that if they're ever falsely accused of something they end up with a panel of jurors too "stupid' to get out of jury duty.

I like naked midget wrestling in poo with syrup BBW cumbang interracial MILF swapping swinger butthole anal blowjob bondage pierced twat choker smoker sex.

But I'm a typical American male so it's expected.