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helterskelter808 06-08-2013 03:37 PM

I'm pretty sure I saw that whole documentary a long time ago (not sure if it's all on Youtube). As I recall, and to put it into some context, it's about a single mom from London who wants to do porn in LA.

The guy doing the documentary seems pretty much anti-porn, and I think she's kind of a flake. I think she goes to places after having said she'll do anal or whatever, and then when she gets there she changes her mind, or otherwise wastes the time of the people involved.

The Max part is pretty much the 'highlight', because whatever the agenda of the film-maker, and whatever the character of the girl and her obvious naivety/stupidity, it's very disturbing and I don't think for one second it's an act.

Although it looks throughout the documentary that she's not ready for porn, or not prepared to do it, I think by the end she's taking cocks every which way, and even winds up as a fluffer or something.

RKLover 06-08-2013 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lichen (Post 19658009)
Ever notice that the credits of filthy porn movies read like a Tel Aviv phone book?

You read the credits?

loreen 06-08-2013 03:47 PM

I 100% agree with Robbie and it amazes me to see that many don't :)

dyna mo 06-08-2013 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19661121)
I'm pretty sure I saw that whole documentary a long time ago (not sure if it's all on Youtube). As I recall, and to put it into some context, it's about a single mom from London who wants to do porn in LA.

The guy doing the documentary seems pretty much anti-porn, and I think she's kind of a flake. I think she goes to places after having said she'll do anal or whatever, and then when she gets there she changes her mind, or otherwise wastes the time of the people involved.

The Max part is pretty much the 'highlight', because whatever the agenda of the film-maker, and whatever the character of the girl and her obvious naivety/stupidity, it's very disturbing and I don't think for one second it's an act.

Although it looks throughout the documentary that she's not ready for porn, or not prepared to do it, I think by the end she's taking cocks every which way, and even winds up as a fluffer or something.


another angle: black crayon summed it up gfy style- how would you rather be fucked in the ass? max hardcore's mind fuck on her was not unlike a "get back in the fucking game you chicken shit" knute rockney speech anyone of us may have had in high school sports or such and i'm sure many professional athletes routinely experience.

Joshua G 06-08-2013 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by deltav (Post 19660968)
Lying.... ooook. There are several conversations & tangents going on in this thread, now you're just taking shit out of context.

sorry. lost my cool earlier in the day. loooooove your avatar.

:thumbsup

Paully 06-08-2013 08:52 PM

C'mon, all of its fake. Im sure women are victimized somwhere in porn. Just not on our sets.
Felicity went on to do gang bangs with dp's and all kinds of crazy shit. She played naive. That was her part. Max was the bad guy as always.

"Don't believe anything you read or half of what you see" quoted from some smart guy

We dont hurt nobody. As a matter of fact we have helped countless women with everything from their financial to medical to criminal matters. Many of their relatives too. Not bullshitting.

The Porn Nerd 06-08-2013 10:48 PM

Porn is jam-packed with girls who have little to no self-esteem, drug habits, pimp boyfriends, daddy issues, control issues, abuse issues, rape issues, so many fucking issues they're like a lifetime fucking subscription to Bitch Daily.

How do I cancel?

RFremont 06-08-2013 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by deltav (Post 19660908)
Lol, did you watch that video posted above? If that's treating the girl "like gold" in your mind, well then shit, I dunno man...


Don't bother entertaining that old ugly twat, fucking moron is comparing a Rocky movie with a staged boxing match to a porn scene... Rocky didn't have a cock up his ass, but I think this twat does with the way he's vehemently defending his twisted views and repulsive life... 'oh I had 'real' sex at the Red Rooster'... you mean with the hooker you just paid? Pathetic douchebag.

Robbie 06-09-2013 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19661411)
Porn is jam-packed with girls who have little to no self-esteem, drug habits, pimp boyfriends, daddy issues, control issues, abuse issues, rape issues, so many fucking issues they're like a lifetime fucking subscription to Bitch Daily.

How do I cancel?

Mr Peabody...do you know a lot of those girls?

I don't know what any of that has to do with girls shooting gonzo porn.

Why is it that if we guys love sex...we are studs. But if women enjoy sex...even rough sex...there always has to be some underlying "problem" with them and/or they are "victims".

I know a LOT of women in this business. And maybe I'm just hanging with the "wrong" ones...but the girls I know have their shit together and are not anybodies victim. They are some of the smartest, funniest, and sexiest women out there.

pornmasta 06-09-2013 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger (Post 19659920)
You don't need censorship or obscenity laws to prosecute murder.
....
No limits.


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Now, it's possible that people posting here are only talking about their own, personal moral tastes and values, and if that's the case, I respect all of those opinions and the people who assert them.
Why are murder illegal ?
<irony>WHO are you with your "personal moral tastes and values" to say that's wrong ?
No limit !!!
</irony>

"obscenity laws" ? no: human dignity !
There is a problem for me even without a camera

pornmasta 06-09-2013 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19659980)

THIS ISN'T REAL, IT'S A MOVIE NOT A DOCUMENTARY

And then you will tell me:
"look, this ACTRESS is great... she works in porn, they are all skilled there" :winkwink::winkwink::winkwink:

Seriously, wtf.
WWE is a little better staged...

Robbie 06-09-2013 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19661458)
And then you will tell me:
"look, this ACTRESS is great... she works in porn, they are all skilled there" :winkwink::winkwink::winkwink:

Seriously, wtf.
WWE is a little better staged...

I can't convince you of anything. I"m just trying to say that I believe it's all staged.

Everyone signed releases, everyone got paid.
If you believe it's real then so be it.

In the end who cares what I believe or you believe. We're just a couple of guys on a message board. :)

pornmasta 06-09-2013 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep (Post 19660552)
Ive been working in Adult for over 15 years now, so for me that scene is perfectly normal. It doesn't break any laws, therefore, people have the right to enjoy it.

I think that can sue that here:
- http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dignit%..._fran.C3.A7ais
- http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abus_de_faiblesse
- http://www.senat.fr/lc/lc79/lc791.html 180b

+ the physical damage

pornmasta 06-09-2013 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 19660880)
That is also proof a girl can leave if she says she's had enough.

She wants her money.
If she stops, it means that she suffered for nothing, so she HAS to continue.
I can't believe that people in marketing have such a lack of knowledge of basic psychology.

She is trapped by this commitment.

Major (Tom) 06-09-2013 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19661469)
She wants her money.
If she stops, it means that she suffered for nothing, so she HAS to continue.
I can't believe that people in marketing have such a lack of knowledge of basic psychology.

She is trapped by this commitment.

Ok you just proved you don't know shit about directing porn.
Ds

Major (Tom) 06-09-2013 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19661469)
She wants her money.
If she stops, it means that she suffered for nothing, so she HAS to continue.
I can't believe that people in marketing have such a lack of knowledge of basic psychology.

She is trapped by this commitment.

It's their blasé attitude about commitment in the first place that lead them to do porn. I'm not saying all girls in porn can't their shit together, but the vast majority are lazy & can't even hold down a load let alone a job.
Ds

Joe Obenberger 06-10-2013 12:09 PM

No limits. And that means no limits.

A few words about the child pornography laws. Throughout the United States and most of civilized creation these days, an age limit has been set that defines, by the age of the performer, that anyone who possesses a work containing someone younger than 18 in a sexual situation is a serious pervert. In the US, it's five years for possession the first time through, ten years for distribution the first time through, and fifteen years for creatiion the first time through. But it's arbitrary and not based on science, human behavior, or cultural values. In fact, when the United States first adopted a child pornography statute thirty years ago, the age set was sixteen rather than eighteen.

In Illinois, it is normally no crime to have any kind of sex with a seventeen year old. In Michigan, it's 16. In Canada, till recently it was 14. The minimum marriage age in some US states varies from 13 on up. There are, of course, many milllions of mothers under the age of 18 and many thousands who've been married and divorced. Psychiatry looks at pedophilia as a condition in which men are attracted to children who are not sexually developed. But some of our most seriously punished crimes are aimed at men who possess or view content depicting fully developed females. Social and political correctness aside, men still look at females 15, 16, 17, and 18 years of age, and if you had a nickle for every rear end car collision in our major cities caused by a male driver staring at a provocatively dressed teenager instead of the road, you'd have a stack that reaches from here to the moon. And, despite the best urgings of the do-gooder community, that's simply normal male interest and not a sign of perversion. Men in every culture through history have been interested in youthfulness and virginity, and this is has been so universal that it appears to be part of the basic brain wiring.

If the aim of these laws is to re-wire the brains of men, it is inevitable that these laws will never succeed. In the legislative selection of an arbitrary age to define what is perverted, one that changes by geography and the direction of political winds, I think an absurdity has been created. When it's lawful to have anal sex with a seventeen year old in Chicago or a sixteen year old in Detroit, but a cell phone picture of her breast will put you on a lifetime sex offender registry, something very weird is taking place.

When all of these laws started one hundred years ago, they were aimed at the protection of innocent, naive girls from aggressive, rapracious predators and they made sense. The innocent state of the victim was an element of the early laws. When arbitrary age limits substituted for innocence, the laws diverged from their just purpose. When those age limits were arbitrarily set at 18, these laws became legislation designed to change actual human nature.

I'm a cynic. I have defended innocent men charged with child pornography and I have prevailed. One of them was a first-generation internet content producer named Mike Jones whose life was nevertheless destroyed.

I believe that the real point of child pornography laws is to give every law enforcement agent a basis for a warrant to invade personal computers, studios, and wireless devices. I've seen it happen when the cops actually knew that my client had nothing whatsoever to do with child pornography. It's just another tactic to destroy personal privacy, like the so-called war on terror.

God bless Bradley Manning who is suffering for our freedom as I write. God bless Edward Snowden whose crucifixion on account of our right to privacy is about to begin.

No limits.

When the First Amendment says that Congress shall enact "no law" abridging the freedom of speech, it means "no law" not just "some laws". I'm with Justice Douglas on that.

No limits.

Joe Obenberger 06-10-2013 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by deltav (Post 19660810)
Normally I agree bringing up extreme examples in a discussion like this doesn't serve anyone, but to be fair Joe did kinda state *all* video including those depicting illegal criminal acts should be legal to view:



So helterskelter was taking it to its logical extension.

I can't get on board with this idea that extreme content (and now I'm talking about Joe's 'grisly videos showing every cruelty' stuff rather than the OP's clip) is "teaching important lessons". To me that sounds like a lawyer married to his ideology. More often than not IMO it serves to titillate, desensitize, and alienate and isn't doing much for viewers' minds beyond warping them a bit.

Deltay, there are a certain number of sheltered people who think that all human beings are basically good and that true evil doesn't exist, that it's just an absence of good, a partial vacuum. It takes that gristly, gross decapitation stuff and the crime scene photos to confront these well-meaing people with how this world really exists and the nature of pure evil. Some people need that, not that free speech needs an excuse. Any ideology I have comes out of experience and empiricism. This world is filled with evil and the point of the law is to protect individuals from evil. One of the things people need protecting from is those who try with every breath to control and manipulate other people and take away individual privacy and freedom.

CDSmith 06-10-2013 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bangeduppeaches (Post 19658243)
The best sex I ever had was with my ex from college.. It didnt turn into the best sex until after she was on top, stopped what she was doing, and told me to smack the shit out of her.. Being brought up not to raise a hand to the lady folk, I hesitated and gave her a love tap.. After which she basically called me a pussy and I smacked the shit out of her.. She loved it..
Granted she also like being choked.. Go figure :p..

Bottom line is the shit is staged and the girl likes it.. I'm pretty she she doesn't walk into a studio, expecting some nice romantic "love making" with candles and roses just to be met by six dudes that man handle her and gag her.. You would think that's grounds for a lawsuit..

What about the dudes that get off to chicks stomping their shit out with stilettos?

Draw the line at real rape and peddos.. And let the rest do what they want.. If you don't like that kind of porn don't watch it..

My 2 cents, take it or leave it..

Thread was over at this post as far as I'm concerned.

_Richard_ 06-10-2013 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 19660880)
I'll say this & I'm not throwing max under the bus but we operate different than that. We even use the "tap outs" as updates. That is also proof a girl can leave if she says she's had enough. To me, that just means I get to go home earlier. There are proper ways to do things if safe guards are in place. The girl in the OP thread came back 2 times a year apart. Heck, we filmed Danica Dillon 3 times, coffee brown 3, , moxxie maddron, hazel allure, hailey young. Everyone will draw their own conclusions, but the fact that when a girl does choose to leave, she can, & she will still get taken back to the airport etc. If a girl decides to come back, they are always welcome to. I think if you stick to the facts it dispels the crossing the line mantra & the victim mentality of these poor poor girls who are fully aware of what is going to take place. People need to be less judgemental of people's sexuality. Censorship is censorship. Just like there were some people/groups for sopa & pipa, it's basically the same to be for censorship of consenting adults doing adult things.
Duke

so the scenes are not staged?

RobertL 06-10-2013 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by deltav (Post 19660921)
Gaah, for like the 5th time - I'm not talking about Duke's scene. There is a clip posted several times up on this thread, it's an actual documentary camera on scene at a Max Hardcore shoot showing a girl lose heart and run upstairs crying, then Max playing some fucked-up mindgames with someone who's obviously in a bad state. It's just about the opposite of your "it's always staged & fun & games" trip.

Isn't there the possibility that Max staged that entire thing for the documentary in order to improve and market his brand?

Tofu 06-10-2013 02:36 PM

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