fortunately, his excuse was to inform americans. i would think it is a major security risk having these privatized intel companies providing the intel.

~80% of the nsa budget is for privatized services, that's $6 billion worth of data via 10s of thousands of employees with full security clearance.

i'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but even i can see this being exploited to the highest bidder.

TV and Facebook and iPhones didn't exist then; they had nothing to lose.

Google/apple/microshaft can't kick in your door with full auto weapons, take you away, and not have to answer to anyone anywhere about it.

C'mon dyna, we have a conservative government in power who think the best environment to live in is one firmly rooted in the colon of America. There's no place they'd rather be than up your ass.

Whatever we're doing, we're doing for you.

:winkwink::winkwink:

now try and find a party that won't go to war as soon as nato says jump :upsidedow

I'll just leave this here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

i don't think he intended that nazi reference to be the godwin law itself

but hey

whatever one needs to do..

This is excactly what I hate about these loonies. There is actually a real conspiracy at work here, even though most people probably knew already their phones were not totally private. They don't like it when they haven't predicted something and, a real conspiracy or, evidence of something "shady" happens or, is happening.

Anyway, All this kind of "tapping" does, especially when made as public as it now is, is it will lead to people creating ways around it anyway. While ordinary people will be the only one's with data (wrongfully, in my eyes) being collected.

I'm pretty sure drug dealers do not send text messages saying: "Hey the coke has arrived, meet me at the quayside at the harbour on the blue and white boat, i'll be there at 9am" etc.

He didn't stand up to protect our civil rights. He stood up and reminded us corporate America is tracking our every fucking movement, and when the US government gets a warrant it can legally get all of that information. This isn't fucking new; I worked for the phone company in the early 1990s and our office had a switching station and the FBI was there four times a week.

To remind us that the government has been doing this to us since the 1960s?

He made it sound dramatic like the US Government was tracking each and every one of us and that the CIA was doing something highly illegal. Looks like he over stated everything.

can someone tell rochard that this is warrantless data gathering already happening, no warrant needed to gather the data. i think he has me ignore.

You are not on ignore at all.

He claims there is "no warrant needed". He is "defense contractor", not an attorney. Does he know if a warrant is issued or not? Does a judge need to show up at his desk holding a warrant, or maybe an attorney? Of course not. All of this is handled above him.

I used to work at the phone company. When the FBI came to our office to tap a phone line, didn't show up unannounced with a warrant. Instead, I got a phone call from my boss who a phone call from the legal department ordering us to install the tap.

And this isn't new either. It's been going on for a very long time.

i was wondering.

again though, you are very much entitled to your opinion on the matter and for all we know, that could be more right than not.

nevertheless, the project doesn't require participation from the corporations the info is coming from. both zuckerberg and page have said they were not aware the nsa was gathering the data from them via booz.

patriot act means there doesn't have to be a warrant.

no, that's incorrect.

here is the facebook post from zuckerberg::::::


I want to respond personally to the outrageous press reports about PRISM:

Facebook is not and has never been part of any program to give the US or any other government direct access to our servers. We have never received a blanket request or court order from any government agency asking for information or metadata in bulk, like the one Verizon reportedly received. And if we did, we would fight it aggressively. We hadn't even heard of PRISM before yesterday.

When governments ask Facebook for data, we review each request carefully to make sure they always follow the correct processes and all applicable laws, and then only provide the information if is required by law. We will continue fighting aggressively to keep your information safe and secure.




in a nutshell: the government did not ask fb for the data or for access to the data.

you care to expand on that, or is this just more glass bullshit

no need to expand, i'd hate for you government to have you on record with that infos.

you do know they are recording your shit right? you've never even been attacked yet your government is monitoring and recording your shit 24/7/365.

why would they do that richard?

a failed attempt :thumbsup

seems like the canadian government might be on to something

21st century canada conflicts

2001 - April 20?22: Police and Anti-globalization protestors battle in the streets of Quebec City during the Summit of the Americas.

2006 - February 28 to present: Caledonia land dispute

2009 - 2009 Vancouver gang war

2009 - March 15: Riots against police brutality in Montreal after a young minority immigrant is fatally shot by police.[citation needed]

2010 - June 26?27: Police crackdown on demonstrations in Toronto during the 2010 G-20 Toronto summit.

2011 - June 15: 2011 Stanley Cup Riot

2011 - September 17: The Occupy Movement protests

2012 - 2012 Quebec student protests (February 13?present): Students in the Province of Quebec oppose the hike of tuition fees.

i know right? i mean, trying to gotcha someone on a porn board for doing drugs that they mentioned doing,

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh it makes me crack up every time i think about it.

i mean who throws a cupcake? honestly.

yeah, was a low move. Although I disagree with Richard 99% of the time, I thought he was above a cheap shot like that. And it's also kinda funny that the 'hey aren't you the meth guy' makes more sense than the ct guy :1orglaugh

the dude is arguing to one person about how there is no warrants, and another about how there is warrants.

which makes me recall the fact he is admitting on a public adult message board about all the under the counter drugs burned and smoked

actually it's become somewhat of a pattern for several talkers here. attack the people who think different, admit to drug use, violence, hatred, etc

so, defending a meth head to score what points exactly?

when did i attack you richard?

richard, are you really in here arguing shit yet you don't know the difference between the patriot act and nisa?

how did the NISA come about

richard, do you really think i didn't consider the fact that people like you would take low blows at me after my casually commenting on my drug use history?

the. matter. at. hand.

how did nisa come about

whut? was that for me?

i under-estimated you richard. you can derail a thread as good as whp.

well played!

answer the question. don't wildly flop about like a meth'd out fish

answer.

did you need me to ask you directly?

what points did you gain for defending a meth head, who's busy arguing every side like it's wednesday.

richard, you're so far behind on answering questions it will takes you days to catch up before it's my turn.

The truth is we don't know - and we never will.

This kid was a high school drop out, Army drop out, and a college drop out? You gonna believe him?

At the very same time, you gonna believe ANYTHING the CIA says?

If you believe the CIA is tracking you and reading your text messages and your on your laptop with a bag over your head so they don't find out what your dinner plans are in advance... You seriously need to seek help.

yes - you're such a fucking whacko that you go off on tangents faster than I can keep up with them.

points? points in what game? who am I playing? meth head? 15 years ago? Isn't that like calling a 16 year old a 'bed shitter'? Is this the 'game' where you are 'scoring' 'points', and I'm not?

Stop chatting shit :2 cents:

LOL. How much money did OWS movement cost local city governments, and what did it get anyone?

indeed.. birds of a feather, right?

understood. hard keeping up with both sides of an argument.

here richard, i'll answer your question first, it doesn't really matter to me.

the patriot act was signed in 2001, and allows for judges to issue warrants for searches.

nisa is a typo i made. the correct acronym is fisa, it was an act signed into law in 2006 and allowed for warrantless searches


richard, the meth head has answered your question.

ummmm...righto...

FISA was created in 1978. The Patriot Act changed FISA to include both non-us citizens, and US citizens.

However, since you literally arguing both ends, i no longer care

glad we're agreed.

um, do you even remember your original position richard?

here, i will refresh your memory.

you said the patriot act allowed for warrantless bullshit.

i said that is incorrect.

you then went ballistic calling me a dope fiend and going off on tangents about nisa when in fact nisa was a typo and you had no idea (again) what you are arguing.


yet, i am the dope fiend.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh