this is insane.

now you know how the rest of us feel richard.

OK so why are you saying he is so dead?
you must think what he made public was a pretty big deal...:(

the patriot act allows for no warrants.

i suggest you go read the wikipedia overview on it.

I also didn't correct you, cause, why bother.

go ahead richard. show me what you are talking about.

The most amusing part of this discussion is us "nutters" have been talking about this for years and were labeled exactly that "Nutters" and "Conspiracy Theorists."

Need me to take you back into the rabbit hole?

AT&T engineer: NSA built secret rooms in our facilities
Apr 12 2006 - by Nate Anderson

Mark Klein, an AT&T engineer and witness in the EFF's case against the company …

The EFF's case against AT&T has barely begun, yet it has already brought to light some fascinating details about the methods behind the NSA's alleged wiretapping abilities. Mark Klein, a retired AT&T engineer who is now participating in the case as a witness, has released a statement to the media in which he outlines many of the allegations that are currently under seal. Chief among them is his claim that AT&T installed powerful traffic monitoring equipment in a "secret room" in their San Francisco switching office at the behest of the NSA.


"In 2002, when I was working in an AT&T office in San Francisco, the site manager told me to expect a visit from a National Security Agency agent, who was to interview a management-level technician for a special job. The agent came, and by chance I met him and directed him to the appropriate people.

In January 2003, I, along with others, toured the AT&T central office on Folsom Street in San Francisco—actually three floors of an SBC building. There I saw a new room being built adjacent to the 4ESS switch room where the public's phone calls are routed. I learned that the person whom the NSA interviewed for the secret job was the person working to install equipment in this room. The regular technician work force was not allowed in the room."

According to Klein, this room contained (among other things) a Narus STA 6400 traffic analyzer into which all of AT&T's Internet and phone traffic was routed; Klein himself helped wire the splitter box that made this possible. In addition to AT&T's own traffic, Klein alleges that the company also routed its peering links into the splitter, meaning that any traffic that passed through AT&T's own network could be scanned. Futhermore, San Francisco wasn't the only place such secret rooms were built; Klein claims that AT&T offices in Seattle, San Jose, Los Angeles, and San Diego also have them.

continues:
http://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2006/04/6585-2/

Now back to the future

DID YOU KNOW?: Two Secretive Israeli Companies Reportedly Bugged The US Telecommunications Grid For The NSA
Jun. 7, 2013 - Michael Kelley

exerpted:

The newest information regarding the NSA domestic spying scandal raises an important question: If America's tech giants didn't 'participate knowingly' in the dragnet of electronic communication, how does the NSA get all of their data?

One theory: the NSA hired two secretive Israeli companies to wiretap the U.S. telecommunications network.

In April 2012 Wired's James Bamford — author of the book "The Shadow Factory: The NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America" — reported that two companies with extensive links to Israel's intelligence service provided hardware and software the U.S. telecommunications network for the National Security Agency (NSA).

Klein, an engineer, discovered the "secret room" at AT&T central office in San Francisco, through which the NSA actively "*vacuumed up Internet and phone-call data from ordinary Americans with the cooperation of AT&T" through the wiretapping rooms, emphasizing that "much of the data sent through AT&T to the NSA was purely domestic."
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NSA whistleblower Thomas Drake corroborated Klein's assertions, testifying that while the NSA is using Israeli-made NARUS hardware to "seize and save all personal electronic communications."

Both Verint and Narus were founded in Israel in the 1990s. Both provide monitoring and intercept capabilities to service providers and government organizations, promoting claims that their equipment can access and retain large amounts of information on a vast number of targets.

continues:
http://www.businessinsider.com/israe...the-nsa-2013-6

remember reading that first article..

Tech Companies Concede to Surveillance Program

"SAN FRANCISCO — When government officials came to Silicon Valley to demand easier ways for the world’s largest Internet companies to turn over user data as part of a secret surveillance program, the companies bristled. In the end, though, many cooperated at least a bit. "
....

" The companies that negotiated with the government include Google, which owns YouTube; Microsoft, which owns Hotmail and Skype; Yahoo; Facebook; AOL; Apple; and Paltalk, according to one of the people briefed on the discussions. The companies were legally required to share the data under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. People briefed on the discussions spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are prohibited by law from discussing the content of FISA requests or even acknowledging their existence.

In at least two cases, at Google and Facebook, one of the plans discussed was to build separate, secure portals, like a digital version of the secure physical rooms that have long existed for classified information, in some instances on company servers. Through these online rooms, the government would request data, companies would deposit it and the government would retrieve it, people briefed on the discussions said. "

"But instead of adding a back door to their servers, the companies were essentially asked to erect a locked mailbox and give the government the key, people briefed on the negotiations said. Facebook, for instance, built such a system for requesting and sharing the information, they said. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/08/te...rts.html?_r=2&

jeez, now you nutters ARE claiming you told us all so about this, after it being pointed out several times in this thread already that you missed this one entirely.

jfc.

i'll tell ya what though, just link 1 thread here where y'all rub that one in everybody's noses.

just 1 thread where you told us all that and we called you nutters over it.


or you can post more, since you are making it out like this was one of your big revelations and as such, you would not hesitate to start multiple threads.

Thread saver:
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What have you got to back this up? I've seen plenty to suggest otherwise.

What is this? We (GFY) are the World? I was generalizing the government tapping into the backbone for surveilance puposes. I followed the EFF case back when and may or may not have made reference to it in the past here. This particular software's (PRISM) name itself is new to me as it is everyone else. As far as my other claims about Google and Facebook I'm sure you can find me saying it in many threads but I'm not bothering to look.

_Richard_ using an Ad Hominem attack to try and discredit someone.

Wonder where I've that term used before? Conspiracy theorists and religious zealots fucking love the words Ad Honimem as some kind of defense, yet don't mind using them themselves.

The real question should be, what are you doing or what are you going to do about changing it? You can debate as long as you want on an internet forum, will it ever get you anywhere? Will it change anything? If the answer to those 2 questions is no, then click the top right corner of this window, fuck off and do something about it.

Can you imagine if Ghandi and Martin Luther King had sat behind a fucking keyboard just randomly typing shit, on a porn forum of all places what would have happened?

ahh, so now it's unacceptable? at least we have clarified that.

My apologies, dynastoned, that i feel your arguments supporting both warrant and warrantless surveillance made me connect this to your admission of the use of crystal meth. My experience is once this is used, it's permanent, and this is from every single encounter i have had with users.

Is what "unacceptable"?

Because any attempt to violate national security, no matter how lame, and off with your head!

This doesn't surprise me at all.

In the 1990s I worked for Pac Bell, the local phone company in California. Our office was one of the switching stations for the area. The FBI were at our office most days. They pretty much had a desk set up in the switching room.

Yes it was. plus santa and the easter bunny were the other silent partners.

apology accepted.

i can only imagine how you must feel, being intellectually dominated and tossed about in a debate by someone with lingering effects from drug use.

it;'s funny i wasn't admitting using drugs, i was sharing that.

in fact, in that post, i recalled it as a short term experience in my life with a girl i knew, we broke up and i walked away.


good times.


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richard, is everything ok over there? i'm not sure why you are so upset. it certainly couldn't be this thread.

here's what happened, you:

i replied

then you flipped out:



what's truly bizarre is how you are flipping around my comment about having a good time with the girl and the drug and being able to walk away from it into some sort of admission.


so it makes me wonder if everything is ok there?


p.s. dynastoned is another gfy poster.

This Might Be The Girlfriend Edward Snowden Left Behind
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/this-mi...en-left-behind
http://www.lsjourney.com/

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enha...0907072-13.jpg

No, the most amusing part is that us sane ones have accepted there's been the ability to snoop into every part of our daily lives for years, and that where this thread shows the level of it, the ct nutjobs instead use it as some kind of 'proof' that aliens, overlords, illuminati, and so on *are* all real, by saying 'see, we told you so!'

It's fucking mindblowing (as has already been stated) that the fruitloops cannot distinguish between snooping, and aliens, nor the fact that most of us can believe 1 thing (like this thread, and be 'shocked' for want of a better word at the level of it) but not have to pay any mind to the absurd levels that most of the ct lunatics spew out.