i would think that with your work history in the legal world you have some knowledge of process serving and what is going on here.

would you say this could have been handled much better from the gitgo?

3+ cops to serve 'warrants' for uncut grass.

if everything was all good, why did the search the house for cameras

again, it was over a tax issue. my view on this very same scenario, except re: the boston bombers is completely opposite. those guys were searching for violent criminals not arresting/process-serving on a middle aged woman for unpaid property taxes in a 1 square mile town.

moreover, there were, what, 8 of them? why not dispatch a couple to check it out while the others stay. i mean 8 cops to serve a unpaid prop tax issue? srsly.

why not de-escalate instead of escalate. it's not like shit is about to hit the fan here.

Yeah, Israelis serve unarmed warrants in the west bank all the time.

:1orglaugh

You just don't you get it do you?

The police had a warrant, identified themselves multiple times, and long before the video camera was turned on she was uncooperative and her actions highly suspicious. Setting aside the fact that they had a warrant, at this point it looked like this lady was hiding something - perhaps the person they had the warrant for - and they had probable cause and a legal reason to enter the house.

Other than being rude, they did everything legally.

oh, and yes, i do fucking get it

you can tell them your brother is in hawaii and they could leave.

i was living in a pad once where the previous occupant rented a car and did not return it. she used my address/her old address. well, the rental car investigators showed up one day with 2 sheriffs and an arrest warrant.

i explained to them she no longer lived there but i have received her mail occasionally. we all talked it out and they left.

that wasn't addressed to you. and yes i do fucking get it.

Why do people think that they're above the law? If you're nice and patronize the cops and other city officials, you can get away with anything. Arguing will only make it worse..
That's why the f-ing mayor keeps coming to my house since he thinks we're friends and I've talked my way out of jail time and probation once just because they thought I was a 'nice guy'. True story.

While I have served many Summons I have never been a cop, so never had a reason to serve a warrant and they are two completely different things. I would get you into court with a summons. The fact that it has gone to warrant means that a law has already been violated, even if it is simply a failure to appear.

Since some people appear to have a problem reading articles that are more than three lines long, I will remind you that these cops were part of a task force serving 100 warrants. Does GFY really think that is done by one or two cops?

Could it have been handled differently? Yeah, but it would begin with cooperation. The fact that they are out serving warrants means that, in the vast majority of times, they are dealing with criminals. Criminals lie, for every action there is an equal reaction. They reacted to her, which was highly suspicious to even the most casual observer.

I do have a question to DWB though, since he thinks it is so fucked up here. What would happen if that scenario played out in Thailand?

because if they made any errors there is no proof. he had no right to move the camera.

When Jews got on those trains they had no clue they were being sent to their deaths, they thought they were going to internment/work camps.

no time for fact-checking in a 10 hour 100 warrant roundup i guess.

just gonna brute-force that shit.

in my case, they did make several phone calls from my porch.


this case is not unlike that. what happened before the video was shot is the issue for me.

not to mention the 100 warrant roundup.

they prolly needed a good solid posse or 2 for this.

Two dopes in one post, where do you hear anyone say to look for cameras?

put on your glasses and turn up your ear piece "look at this thing" then he kicks it so it cant film them 1:39 watch it. i didnt hear them say look for cameras. that fat hog found the camera probably thought it was a truffle :1orglaugh

What are you talking about? They are looking for a woman by the name of "Roben" they find a woman by the name of "Robyn" - they attempted to do fact checking by letting her go get her ID.

You really think that if during your incident you had told the cops you'd be right back and shut the door it would have gone down the same way? Do you think any cop anywhere in the world serving a warrant is going to let that happen?

Many cops are assholes, many of them with personality disorders - there was no reason for the shitty way they dealt with the woman in that video. The warrant was for a non-violent charge. The woman like anybody else who opens their door and finds a group of cops standing there was caught off guard and scared - all they had to say is 'We're the police ma'am and we're here to serve a warrant. We need to enter your home, please stay where you are, thank you' They were confrontational for no reason.

The woman the police were looking for was Roben Edwards. The woman who answered the door was Robyn Ruckman.

i'm saying in a 100 warrant executed in a 10 hour period the cops don't have time to sort anything out.

that's 6 minutes to travel to and execute a warrant. now make that even worse with your thinking that these are violent offenders.

6 minutes to drive to and execute that warrant. for 10 hours. that's way wrong. this entire situation is wrong from the onset is what i am saying. it was doomed to have something like this happen due to the parameters and goals of the roundup.

yeah i didnt follow the links under the video. you guys are busy bodies :helpme i usually dont click the links

It was six officers - plus a seventh person from the housing department. Two of the officers were there for "backup", never spoke to the person in the house, and never entered the house.

It does seem like overkill. However, I am wondering how many of these "silly warrants" are served on a daily basis that quickly go south with someone trying to flee or an officer getting hurt.

fuck the mother fucking police

people are going to get tired of it.

Besides factual errors, you are making a huge assumption.

Error: It was 12 hours, not 10
Assumptions: These were the only cops in the task force.


A little reminder to those that have never watched an episode of COPS; many cops are killed or injured trying to issue a fucking speeding ticket, assuming that this suspect will not hurt them will get them killed.

I'm amazed by this kind of stuff and how people call this a police state. Armed officers come to your door and your going to give them shit? Over something that doesn't even concern you?

Years ago at 3am the cops were pounding on my door because they had a report of a domestic dispute. They had the wrong house. Once I figured out I had four officers with shotguns outside of my house, I turned on every light I could think of and open up the door wide so they had nothing to fear. When they asked me for my ID I went and got it and left the door open wide so they could look inside.

Turns out the dispute was a few doors down.

(Ironically... My wife came down the stairs and they asked "Is there any problem here Miss?" and my wife said "I would think so".... I'm like "oh shit, here we go". Then my wife says "you just woke me up out of a dead sleep for no reason". It was good for a laugh the following morning.)

Here's the deal... You either fear the police, or you don't. I don't do drugs, don't drink, and I don't even smoke. I pay my taxes. If you fear the police, you flip them shit, they'll flip it right back at you. And this is exactly what happened here. Police wasn't there to bother her; They were looking for someone else because they had a warrant. But because dipshit here had to hide her pot stash and fears the police she gave them nothing but shit from the very first moment and it continued all the way until they left.

Sorry, when cops show up at my doorstep I don't run and get the video camera.

we are on the same page here, this is where i am coming from. :thumbsup

Yeah, you just jump to incorrect conclusions no matter how many times or how many people point out the error of your thoughts.

this place is fucking insane...

i'm using generalities to illustrate my view.

fact is, how many spare cops are there for a 100 warrant roundup in a town with 5000 occupants?

how many ~7 man posses could a burrough this size drum up?

i understand cops put their lives on the line in basic confrontations, i get that. i know how to handle myself when confronted by the police to keep that part cool. she did not. i get that.

my point is escalation on a poorly thought out and executed warrant roundup should not be proper procedure. this sort of shit should have been anticipated and a proper plan pre-determined. certainly not standing around in front of her home telling her they need to talk about her grass being too tall.

that's not professional. it is understandable, simply because it's understandable a 100 warrant roundup in a town of 5000 is bound to be a clusterfuck at some point.

I also find it fascinating. It defies every basic survival instinct we have.

Humans are crazy. That's all there is to it.

you've been in a crazy situation right? on the street when youhad to duck for cover from a gun fight or similar?

did you find yourself frozen for a moment and having to consciously make yourself move or how did you react?

I won't take sides, just a few thoughts on this if I may...

1. Cops are not your friends. Whether you are the one they're coming to see or the one they are coming to help, or even if you're just a guy standing in the vicinity, you are SUSPECT. Notice I didn't say "A suspect". Meaning you are under suspicion at all times. Period. They're not there to be your friend, they're there to do a job.

2. Knowing this, that you are suspect, it would behoove you to simply cooperate with them. Don't try to double talk them, don't babble your words or waste their time or dick them around in any way, just play it straight and do what you're told.

3. If after you've fully cooperated and they're gone you feel your 'rights' have been violated or they handled the situation poorly in any way, let your lawyer do your mouthing off for you. That's their job. If you're right and the cop is wrong they'll get at the very least a black mark on their service record, and in the more egregious cases they'll get worse.


Lloyd is definitely right about one thing: Cops that don't treat every traffic stop, every door they knock on, every person they have an on-the-scene interraction with as potentially dangerous, runs the risk of getting injured or killed. I know. During my hospital working days I had several cops as patients who were injured in the line of duty. One guy was shot three times during a routine traffic stop and left for dead on the side of the highway.

As a cop you never know who or what you're dealing with until you know. You know?

im not kool with police. ive seen the other side of what they do covering up things.

they thought he was just some negro :1orglaugh take a gander
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...nclick_check=1

noooo shiiit!

cd sounds like he's been there. hmmmmm.

anyhoo, the entire thing is silly. rochard used the right word.

how big is a police force for a burrough of 5000 peeps?

100 cops you figure?

so ~7% of the entire town's police force is working on the scene trying to arrest the wrong person for not paying property taxes.

got it. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

well when you said the article didnt know wtf you were talking about. the op posted a video. i messed up baddog you forgive me? :helpme

As it happens I have had some experience, yes.

It's also been my experience that even when cops are wrong, they're right. In this case in allegedly going to the wrong house, even in that situation they still will play it tough and by the book and the person answering the door should know that and still fully cooperate. Wrong house or not, if you give them a problem they're most definitely going to give you one.

Am I saying the cops in some cases aren't idiots? Of course not. It simply always strikes me as odd that so many want to argue the inevitable when it's, well... inevitable. Dick around in any way while a cop is doing his job, you either play it smart or end up on a video.

For starters, no one gives a shit here how tall your grass is, if you have a dirty yard, or if you don't pay property taxes. The police would never, ever bother anyone about such nonsense. Minor traffic offenses and tourist shake downs excluded, the police don't waste their time on petty stuff like that, and certainly would never enter your home searching for someone unless they knew 100% they were hiding in the house because a neighbor ratted them out.

However, even in third world shit holes we are sometimes more advanced than western barbarians. Every legal citizen has an ID and every foreigner who entered the country has a passport. All run through the proper database and they will have a print out of that person (ID photo and ID print out) with them along with the warrant so they can clearly see the person they are speaking to is or is not the person they are looking for. They don't make the mistakes American police make, and they are 3rd world pea brains. Thai police always know exactly who they are arresting when they go to a home with an arrest warrant.

Anyway... So they would knock on my gate, I'd mozy out there and ask them what they want, they would look at the photo, see it is not me, ask if I know him or if he was inside, I would say no, and they would say "thank you" and leave. No one would ask to come in to search my property, no one would jump the gate to make me get an ID because they already have the photo of the person they are after, and they would be nice and friendly. If I was in a really good mood I'd ask them if they wanted waters or beer, which they may or may not decline and I'd make a few new friends.

That doesn't mean the police are all good here. They are incredibly corrupt, but even the bad ones usually treat you the way they should and don't overstep their boundaries unless you're in one of the big tourist cities and you get caught up in a shake down.

It boggles my mind that in the USA in the year 2013, the greatest nation on earth can't serve a warrant and have a photograph of the person they are serving it to. Just about everyone is in the system and photographed these days for one thing or another. Yet if they came with a photo then they couldn't be assholes and bullies, shooting up the wrong house or accidentally killing the wrong person. I personally think these dicks get off on being abusive. If they can figure out how to get the right person in Thailand but they can't in the USA, that really says something.

I had to get out of the USA to get perspective on how twisted it really is. When you're in the eye of the hurricane, it all seems somewhat normal.

i hear ya. in watching/listening to the vid again, i didn't detect any belligerence in her voice.

going strictly by the vid, it could be assumed she was not familiar with how to conduct herself.

even so, it happens all the time, people are confronted by an officer and they do not know how to handle that. if they handle it wrong, even if due to naivete, there will be a consequence they will have to pay. more charges, resisting arrest, etc, whatever.

i don't blame those people for not handling the situation better, but i also do not blame the system for doling out a consequence to those people either.

lolz, if i could have just stated my view with this example! :thumbsup :1orglaugh

noh law degree needed, in my cuntry that is the way it works, no warrant no entry. you may think you live in the land of the free and home of the great but you are truly misinformed and a probable sheeple!