the first buy was enough ammo to have an iraq-like war throughout all of america for 20 years

the second buy increases it to 50 years or something

the 'good guess reason' is a federal trick to dry up ammo supply.. however this ammo shortage is impacting police forces, who are now forced to borrow from the citizenry

What Iraq war? They all ran home and took off their uniforms.

Fine, let's do the math. 750 million rounds divided by five years is 150 million rounds per year. DHS has 240k employees. That's 625 rounds person per year. Fuck, I use more ammo than that per year.

Are you really saying that having a reporter behind the front lines and accompanied by a military censor at all times was better than having reporters physically on the front line with troops with no supervision what so ever?

It's amazing really; This happens every time a new party takes office in the WH. Both sides do it.

They've been saying Obama is going to take away our firearms. Well, here we are six years into his presidency and... Still hasn't happened. Won't happen under Obama, won't happen after the next election, won't happen in the next twenty years or my lifetime.

I watch the channel every day...including this morning because they have good solid news programming in the morning hours.

You can google it...or you can just watch it for yourself. Tune in tonight. Watch Rachel Maddow and see for yourself. There will be NO conservatives on there.

DVR Hannity or OReilly tonight. I GUARANTEE you there will be a liberal on there. And there are liberals on Hannity and OReilly every night. Not just every once in a while.

That's one of the reasons that Hannity trounces Maddow in the ratings. Neither one is a real news show. They are both sucking up to their respective conservative and liberal audiences.
But Hannity's show is simply a better SHOW (talking entertainment).

As I said...just watch both of them tonight (DVR one of them). Then, without worrying about politics or what you personally believe, just check them both out and see who has opposing views on their show.

And yes, Buchanan WAS on MSNBC. And he has talked at length about being forced out of MSNBC over his political viewpoint and how they didn't want any real conservative views being pushed on the network.

It was a move by them for ratings...they THOUGHT that since the country had voted Democrat in 2008 that it meant that more people wanted to see liberal hosts. Turns out they were wrong in that regard (viewership numbers).

They have the same problem that "Air America" had (the failed liberal radio talk show debacle from a couple of years ago). They just aren't hiring any good entertaining men or women that can reach out and grab an audience.

There is no liberal version of Rush Limbaugh. And that is what MSNBC needs (I'm talking ability to entertain people and put "asses in the seats")

I'll see your news anchor and raise you a Vice President. Bet you didn't see this on MSNBC


Got to be awesome saying you wouldn't trust yourself

Hell yes...not a "censor" or course. You're thinking of the first Iraq war when Peter Arnett was reporting from Baghdad. That's not what I'm talking about.

In Vietnam, the reporters showing what was REALLY happening over there from both sides was what got the country to protest that war.

In Iraq you had the press buddying up with the military. How the hell can a reporter be expected to give the full story if they never see the other side of the coin and are becoming great friends with the people they are supposed to be covering?

Come on...the military, the govt., and the press all together as one big happy family? That is the exact opposite of what a free press is supposed to do.

Ernest Hemingway was on the front lines of the Spanish War and wrote some of the most compelling war time reports in history from what he saw.

More recently the reporters that covered the Vietnam War did the same thing.

The ones "embedded" with the troops? Nothing but nationalistic, glowing reports of how we "liberated" the Iraqi's. It was shameful of the press to do that.

Who the hell are the Homeland Security people shooting every year?

Oh, nobody. Okay. And they still needed 750 MILLION rounds to do what? Practice to shoot people? WTF?

Rochard, you're trying to take the govt.'s side and make us all feel better...but I feel worse after reading your posts! lol

Or maybe the president himself?

Home Land security is suppose to be a force inside the US to protect us. Why would after they bought 1.6 billion rounds of ammo need 750 million more, to dry up supply's for others.

Think of it this way, they have military weapons, they are using M4's and M16's . They can fire .223, but they are made for .556 which is a NATO round. There is a shortage of civilian ammo, not military ammo.

well - what do all the citizens need all the rounds for ;)

hen? egg?

if one side is armed, the other one has to be armed too i guess - at least that is what international politics teaches us

i'd still prefer if no one was armed

Hell, I didn't know that Homeland Security was ramping up to go to war with our own citizens.
I guess we might be in more trouble than I thought. :(

They are just denying citizens their 2nd amendment rights by hoarding ammo, civilian ammo. Nothing to worry about there

well the 'non subject' about this buy is the amount of hollowtip sniper rounds they purchased

probably the reason for the US Senators sending them angry letters asking 'dafuq?'

Six hundred and fifty rounds per employee per year. That's not a lot at all. In fact, I go through that myself and I rarely shoot these days.

Aren't 99% of "homeland security" "employees" administrative and bureaucrats? And mabye 1% of them are actual agents with firearms?

Look, I could give a shit how many rounds of ammo they have (though for actual guys with guns in homeland security it's a LOT more than 650 rounds).

I have had my current shotgun for 10 years. Bought a box of shells. I think I've shot it 5 or 6 times (that's 5 or 6 shots total).

I still have the box of shells sitting in the closet. By your math, I should be shooting a box of shells every hour or so 24/7 lol

Have Homeland Security ever had a "shootout" with "bad guys" or actually fired their weapons in any type of situation other than practice?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :thumbsup

time to apply for a job with the government - maybe they need someone to coordinate hookers and blow for them :winkwink: :1orglaugh

Of the nearly 9,000 delivered MaxxPro units to the military, the Department of Homeland Security is apparently taking delivery of an undetermined number of the recently retrofitted 2,717 ?Mine Resistant Protected? MaxxPro MRAP vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/wp-con...ap-vehicle.jpg


The International® MaxxPro® is Navistar Defense?s Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle and incorporates the latest design in armoring technology. Extensively tested by the military and used in theater today, the MaxxPro features a V-shaped hull and other design features that greatly improve survivability.

MaxxPro® MRAP specifications:

Length: 254″ (21.2 feet)
Width: 102″ (8.5 feet)
Height: 120″ (10 feet)
Wheel base: 153″ (12.8 feet)
Curb weight: 37,850 lbs. (18.9 tons)
Engine: MaxxForce® 9.3

The MaxxPro MRAP is built to withstand ballistic arms fire, mine blasts, IEDs, and other emerging threats. Its V-shaped hull helps deflect blasts out and away from the crew and its armoring can be customized to meet any mission requirement.

Gebus chist!

WTF?

[T]he Department of Homeland Security is apparently taking delivery (apparently through the Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico VA, via the manufacturer ? Navistar Defense LLC) of an undetermined number of the recently retrofitted 2,717 ?Mine Resistant Protected? MaxxPro MRAP vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.?

These MRAP?s ARE BEING SEEN ON U.S. STREETS all across America by verified observers with photos, videos, and descriptions.?

Regardless of the exact number of MRAP?s being delivered to DHS (and evidently some to POLICE via DHS, as has been observed), why would they need such over-the-top vehicles on U.S. streets to withstand IEDs, mine blasts, and 50 caliber hits to bullet-proof glass? In a war zone? yes, definitely. Let?s protect our men and women. On the streets of America? ??

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?They all have gun ports? Gun Ports? In the theater of war, yes. On the streets of America??

Seriously, why would DHS need such a vehicle on our streets?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nZSPGzmVv3...rmored+car.jpg


2,717 of them? Is this going to be Obama's new motorcade? Are you fucking kidding me?

Guess they want to ready for any Tea Party uprisings!

so they can buy mine resistance for north america, but not the iraq war?

They seem to have that pretty well covered. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Hey, we saw a convoy of those crazy looking MRAP's a few weeks ago driving down Rancho Blvd. here in Vegas at night.

We didn't know what they were until you guys just posted those pics.

i'm with you, i don't like it at all but to be accurate, i just read that the dhs has taken delivery of 16 of them.

i have no idea how many they plan to acquire of the 2700, but as of right now, it's the 16.

I don't understand what you are getting at. In Vietnam, reporters were behind the front lines and only visited a battlefield after the battle was over. They brought them up in groups to approved areas like fucking tourists. The government was trying to hide everything then - and they had a lot to hide.

With Iraq they were given full access.

LOL, says who?

Everything I see is they ordered all 2717 of them

This is scary, there are things in place that keep the military from being used for certain things inside the US, now Obama seems to be building a civilian force that's completely under his command that using the Patriot act can do just about anything they want.

Buy up ammo to keep civilians from getting it
Spy on the AP news service
Spy on the US population
Target conservative groups finances
increasing drone usage, can't wait till one of those is used on US soil

Homeland Security released 1,000's of prisoners because they said they couldn't afford to keep them?

i wouldn't be surprised.

hey, let's retask that shit! what else we gonna do with all the returning war equipment and professionals. put em to work right here in good ole usa.

That is so false in every way.

The evening news showed scenes of reporters AT battle scenes while bullets were flying in Vietnam.
And yes, they then went into burnt out villages and showed kids and women (civilians) dead everywhere.

They weren't "allowed" into "approved areas" in Vietnam, they went everywhere. There were LOTS of gonzo journalists everywhere in Vietnam.

But as usual...you seem to want to try and be contrarian in every annoying way you can when it comes to discussions about the govt. :(

I get it man, you feel totally free and trust that will never change. I understand.

Some of us do not feel that way. I see "baby steps" towards less freedom in our country.
And I believe in a free press, free speech, right to privacy...and the bigger the govt. gets, the less I trust them.

That's just the way I feel about it. And the history of what our govt. does...right up until today...doesn't make me feel any better about them in any way.

Here you go Rochard...this is why the Bush administration made damn sure to keep the press on a leash in Afghanistan and Iraq. And why Obama is doing the same thing now:

Of course not, but I didn't say that. Dem's screw up too (Remember Anthony Wiener and penis tweet?). My point is that some, not all, republicans just seem to say the most stupid shit I've ever heard. Michelle Bachman is a clear example.


They bought in BULK so they could SAVE MONEY, that's all.. If you want to apply your logic, why not ask Why gun nuts need so much ammo?. And besides this is non issue. This fake story was written by a right-wing blogger, picked up and reported (and re-reported) by Fox News as just another part of their typical campaign of fear: "SOME SAY..." was probably how they started that story...


"HOT" to me means brains too, and if she had any, she wouldn't say the stupid shit she does. If she quits Fox and writes a tell-all book then I might find her hot, but not until then. Alex Wagner of msnbc is much hotter.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/...r-headshot.jpg

You're comparing a Idiot named Wiener and a picture of his dick to the president and the Vice president bashing Bush policies then expanding them? REALLY?


Fake Story? Are you that ignorant? You're really reaching on getting a deal on bullets, when has the US government ever looked for a deal?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...gun-ammunitio/

1.6 billion rounds, 750 million more over 5 years. There is no reason for HOME land security to have that much ammo.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1797069.html

Please tell me why the Social Security Agency needs 174,000 bullets for 295 agents? 589 rounds per special agent?

In case grandma complains about how much her Social Security check is? :1orglaugh

I'm sure that Mark will say you're posting fake stories again though. (these people from Canada are experts on life here in the U.S.)

Seems that way, have to wonder what the government, (Canadian) is letting the news tell them?

Brett... Every major US City has something similar.

You live around LA, right? LA has 'em too - complete with gun ports.

http://www.dpdproductions.com/photos...ehicles/15.jpg

This is nothing new; SWAT teams and local PDs in large cities have always had this. Check this out - they assault rifles too! WTF? Why does the city of San Diego need assault rifles?

Why do they need two thousand of them? I don't know.... Maybe they need a dozen at every major US airport and port and border checkpoint?

Yes, there is Brett. That's 600 rounds per employee per year. I'm pretty sure they are all required to shoot at the range multiple times a year...

every dhs employee is a pistol packing mother fucker with free government-supplied ammo.

secretaries. receptionists. accountants. every single one a pistolpacking mother fucker.

great.

Yes. Less than thirty seconds in is a reporter saying "This is what war is all about" and in the background is a guy crying about his hut on fire. This was after the action took place.

Now imagine what we would have seen if there was a reporter embedded in every unit.

They say they need them to serve warrants, 2717 of them, sort of like the warrant for WACO where they found out that the guns they said were illegal weren't and killed all those people.

Why would they need them at airports, are people coming over in tanks? No, underwear bomb's

well, maybe congress can do something right, let's hope this makes it all the way through


Lawmakers voted late Wednesday for limits on the amount of ammunition that can be purchased by the Department of Homeland Security.

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seems even they thought it excessive.

135,000 gun carrying officers for homeland security
1.6 billion bullets
that's 11,851 bullets per officer

They wanted another 750 million bullets

that would be 17,407 rounds per officer

Jesus Christ...the office of "Homeland Security" didn't even exist until recently (9-11?) and now it's suddenly vital to our very existence and has 135,000 gun carrying officers?

Nice little army they have there. :(

Since 2003, yeah very scary

http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/u...t-Practice.jpg

http://www.realnewsreporter.com/wp-c...02/images3.jpg

http://www.realnewsreporter.com/?p=11966

come on folks.....

+ the nsa

worst part is that the so-called party of small government created it. what a fucking joke.

:Oh crap

That's messed up

The joke is the guy that promised to get rid of it, expanded it to this.

Can't change the past, but saying it's Bushes fault, well that was a FEW YEARS AGO.

Obama promised hope and civility in Politics, does that include the mess he inherited from himself?

'oh how we laughed'

seriously. i want to know the names of the people firing tax dollars at tax dollar targets, in order to 'protect the tax payer'.

Every major law enforcement agency in the country has something similar. I am sure LA has dozens of them. They are needed in case of riot control or the next time a gun man with amour goes nuts in the city.

I wonder how many sites the DHS is required to secure. Thousands of airports, ports, government buildings, borders, oil storage facilities.... Not too far from me in Martinez California there is a huge oil refinery with dozens of massive storage containers. The only think preventing someone from leaving the freeway and driving right up to these huge tanks is a chain link fence. Every refinery should have two or three of these armored trucks.

Ironically, on my drive up from LA yesterday I saw a DHS "tactical command center" truck on the freeway...