Can anyone here tell me why the DHS needs 750 million rounds of ammo?

I guess the reason a AK47 cost over a grand these days is also due to DHS and not the full retard buying spree the gun nutters are on..

You didn't even read the first post did yea?

Hey Moron, AK-47's are illegal for most to buy, they are fully automatic weapons.

Do you know anything about guns? The only full retard here is someone spewing about shit he knows nothing about.

Say what you want about Fox News, but Megyn Kelly is pretty damn hot. I heard her on Stern a while back and she came across extremely well. Super smart and a damn good sense of humor. I wouldn't lump her in with Fox's other "blonde bimbos."

It's not that they're bimbos...they're just puppets for Murdoch and Ailes. Even Sean Hannity and Bill O Reilly can't really believe the shit that comes out of their mouths. They HAVE to be characters made up by FOX news.

Megyn Kelly is very smart, very hot and I think comes across very well as well.

Any news channel is going to have it's idiots. There are a couple on every channel I don't like listening too. Usually those idiots don't last very long

I've said it over and over...the news shows (the ones that aren't opinion) are good on all the channels.

I prefer watching the morning lineup on MSNBC because they spend more time covering real news as opposed to "cute" gimmicky shit (like animals or cooking or bands) I really like Chuck Todds's show.

The late afternoon news rundowns: I like Shepard Smith on Fox and Wolf Blitzer on CNN

At night? It's hard to watch any of them.

On CNN Piers Morgan is just horrible.

On Fox...OReilly drives me nuts and Hannity is on a mission from "God" apparently lol
But then Greta Van Susteren's show is pretty good and doesn't ever get into "left" vs "right" politics

The MSNBC lineup is pure biased shit. Not one show on the air that does any news at night.

Seems to me that some people take OReilly and Hannity and paint the whole FNC with one big brush.
MSNBC is far, far worse. Their evenings have ZERO debate...it's all the liberal host with liberal guests.

Even OReilly and Hannity have liberals on...which as I said earlier: That makes for great television. Which is why those two shows are the highest rated of all news shows.

As for the idiot who said "don't discuss politics with Robbie"
Hey dipshit: I'm not talking about "politics". YOU are. I'm talking about television shows.

Let me analogize this for you:
We are basically watching a pro wrestling match.
YOU are excitedly babbling about whether CM Punk did some great "wrestling" moves against HHH.
I, on the other hand am watching the story they are telling in the ring and commenting on whether or not it is compelling to the crowd and putting asses in the seats.

BIG difference.

Smarten up and stop being a mark for the performers and see it as a business designed to get ratings. Then you won't look like such a rube with all of this hatred being spewed all the time.

American news stations make me cringe - all of them. They blow everything out of proportion and dissect every fart by anyone when it suits their political agenda. 24 hour brainwashing machine, at your service.

I saw a few minutes of CNN the other day and the pompous way how these kind of "news" stations present things that don't matter at all was literally tiring and irritating me. I guess it's the american way of bringing news, it's exhausting, they ram petty shit through the tv screen to make it way more important than it is, to push viewers into a direction. I can't imagine watching crap like that voluntarily, so I quickly changed the channel - before my IQ would drop.

Apart from the blatant propaganda, it's also a proven fact that when you watch too much news it enhances a negative state of mind.

MSNBC, Rachel Maddow, Ed Shultz and the rest are more than fair to Republicans. The republicans just keep stepping in their own shit, and msnbc reports it. Fox News is not "news" - they are nothing more than a right-wing cheerleader who do nothing but report 'publicans in a bright and shining light no matter what stupid shit they try to do.

Sums it up perfectly. MSNBC would have nothing to talk about if Republicans weren't such assholes trying to do crappy things like block people from voting, cancel bills that could help someone less fortunate or stop unchecked gun sales at a gun show, war mongering, etc. It just seems like every day there's some new shitty thing that they've said or done -- and its not made up by MSNBC -- these are all checkable facts.

they won't get their act together. They're not getting in the WHite House again unless they steal it somehow, like they did in 2000. The GOP needs to become something different if they're going to survive, and it probably means some of them just dying off so some fresh views can take over. Views that aren't liberal, but not so bigoted, angry and ignorant.

Fox still reports on things that MSNBC doesn't. The GOP is a mess right now, does that mean the democrats can't do any wrong?

Guns
Buying guns at a gun show, no the fast and furious crowd would hate if the supply to the Mexican drug cartel stopped, the one that Attorney General Eric Holder became the first sitting member of the Cabinet of the United States to be held in contempt of Congress on June 28, 2012. Earlier that month, President Obama had invoked executive privilege for the first time in his presidency over the same documents.

War Mongering
We're sending drones to Pakistan and Yemen, are we at war with those countries?

Blocking bills
Remember the Sequester?

Blocking people from voting
Remember the NEW Black Panthers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Bla...imidation_case

Really?

It's called a "projection". They already know how much is budgeted for next year.

Why are you worried about it?

Well, in very simple terms, you can never have "too much" when it comes to ammo.

Do the math. How many airports does DHS have armed guards at? 700? 7000? How many firing ranges does DHS run - 10, 100, 1000? How many rounds do they go through a day? Then factor in ports they have to protect, the police force - seems they investigate cyber crimes and what not as well - plus they have officers abroad - and of course Customs and the Border Patrol. DHS also includes the Federal Protective Service. The Federal Protective Service has fifteen thousand armed guards alone.

DHS has 240k employees - most of which are armed. They need ammo.

I didn't catch that it's 750 million rounds over five years....

Best ownage ever.

this is nuts...

It's because they need to fill 24 hours with shit that isn't news.

This is fucking hilarious, its a glaring example showing that nobody believes the shit that they are saying on Fox News.

Look at the Donahue clip too, the things he is saying are basically the talking points of the new "Libertarian" republicans, but when Bush was in office they were treasonous.

Fox news is a propaganda machine because its a great business model, pure and simple.

The great thing about their business model is they can change their "opinions" at any point and their viewers won't even question it. Iraq war used to be a great thing now every republican says "I was for Afghanistan but against Iraq".... Bullshit. NSA surveillance used to a great tool to stop "terrorists" now its big brother.... Bullshit.

MSNBC is the exact same but they just can't rile up their viewers to care as much. When the next Republican president wins MSNBC's ratings will go up. And MSNBC will rail against the NSA and Fox will defend it and the dance will continue.

Fact is the majority of people already have their mind made up and search for news that will validate their own views of the world.

So keep the Conservative vs Liberal fights going because its great business for Fox News, both political parties and corporate lobbyists.

Yep it was a pretty scary time when Fox was pushing for the Iraq invasion. But Fox viewers now all say "we were against the Iraq war", that's if they can get the big propaganda dick Fox has shoved in their mouth out for a few seconds

You do realize that every news organization: CBS, ABC, NBC, Fox, MSNBC, and CNN all allowed themselves to be used by the Bush administration during the Iraq "war"

Instead of sending in their own reporters to make unbiased reporting (like in Vietnam)...they ALL agreed to have their reporters "embedded" with the troops.

And because of that...they all became buddies with the military troops they were "embedded" with.
And EVERY news channel was giving glowing reports of how we were doing such a great and noble thing there and how heroic our soldiers were, etc.

The entire country was caught up in it at that moment with very, very few exceptions.

So to try and say it's just Fox news is bullshit. It was EVERYBODY.

And all the Democrats in Congress voted for that war as well and all were proclaiming that "yes" Iraq had "weapons of mass destruction"

Here is Hillary Clinton saying it (people sure seem to have a short memory around here)

I never said that it was just fox news. But if you think Fox News wasn't spewing propaganda at the time to support an invasion then you and I live in two different realities.

My point is that all of this 24 hour news is political propaganda. If Obama started a war now MSNBC would be beating the drum just as hard as fox news was for Bush. Fox News needs Obama just like batman needed the joker. MSNBC is hurting because its hard to rail against the man when you love the man, soon as a republican is president then they will have their villain and ratings will go back up.

To act as if Fox or MSNBC are about independent journalism and not a soap box for the political parties is not accepting reality.

Lets agree to keep any videos of ugly ass Hillary out of this, just killed my half chub I had from looking at the "New 19 year old available for content"

I've been traveling so have had limited bw but finally watched this vid..

Funny chit and pretty much proof positive of how bad Fox is..

It's really too bad, because they are pretty good with getting breaking news out fast, just too bad anything to do with politics in their programming is like watching two retards fighting with nerf bats

dropping by to post this link. excellent critique of fox news from a republican...

:)

I think that both channels DO some good news reporting on their news shows as I said earlier.

But their big ratings grabbers (at least for Fox because MSNBC is in the toilet with ratings) are their OPINION shows.

Fox chooses to suck up to the religious right with their choice of hosts for their opinion shows.
But they have the better ratings because at least they bring on liberals to argue the points with the hosts. That makes great television (if you're into politics).

MSNBC on the other hand just have liberal hosts with liberal "guests" and their is no debate. So it's boring (who wants to watch a bunch of people smirking and agreeing with each other?)

That's all I'm saying.

As far as the Iraq war goes...hell yes Fox was in total agreement with the Iraq war, just like every other news organization was.
We were all bamboozled.

The news media should NEVER just go along with the govt.
Never.

Their job as a free press is to investigate and question the govt. every step of the way.

The fact is...they haven't done their jobs since 9-11

Yeah, the liberal news organizations all are critical and questioning Bush...NOW. You know 5 years after he's gone. And in the meantime they aren't much interested in what the Obama administration is doing.

I suppose they will wonder about it 5 years after Obama is gone too. :(

It's pathetic.

FNC, CNN, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, NBC, all should be ashamed.

And no, I'm not talking about their opinion shows like Maddow, OReilly, Schulz, Sharpton, Hannity, etc.
We all know that they are biased and trying for ratings.

I'm talking about when they do their "real" news shows and they don't do any investigative journalism.

You keep saying that, but it simply isn't true...

Ron Reagan And Conservative Guest Battle On MSNBC Over Pork Spending In Sandy Relief Bill

Conservatives, Maddow and MSNBC
MSNBC Host Invites Four Conservatives On His Show To Discuss The Ideological Media

?Shocker!?: Conservative guest scolded for mocking Chris Matthews on-air

MSNBC Conservative S.E. Cupp Doubles Down On CPAC Bashing

Phil Donahue MSNBC program
Chris Hayes to Take Over 8 P.M. Slot on MSNBC
Chris Hayes in Primetime: Shorter Segments, Slower Speech, Still No Ties
MSNBC Host Grills GOP Rep: 'What If One Of Your Children Were Gay?'

'The Melissa Harris-Perry Show' for Saturday, April 27th, 2013
Grover Norquist tells Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC ?No Republican voted for tax increase?

GOP Rep: Young people are most hurt by Obama's policies
Martin Bashir Clashes WIth Republican Strategist Trey Hardin

Joy Reid And Martin Bashir Force GOP Strategist To Admit Bush Appointed IRS Commissioner

4 of first 5 post-debate guests on MSNBC were Republicans

Alex Schriver, national chairman of the College Republican Party

Rachel Maddow's interview with Rand Paul 5/19

With very little Googling you can find a ton of other examples, and don't forget that Pat Buchanan was with the network for a decade.

We live in a world of propaganda now.
There IS no news anymore. Well, no more journalists.

Ah well, moving on, watch out for the shit as it hits the fan, don't want no shit on me, that's the American ethos.

Bah! I wish it was 1989 again.

LOL, Richard, let's do the math, first, the 750 million was for future purchases

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphben...-conversation/

Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America.

the first buy was enough ammo to have an iraq-like war throughout all of america for 20 years

the second buy increases it to 50 years or something

the 'good guess reason' is a federal trick to dry up ammo supply.. however this ammo shortage is impacting police forces, who are now forced to borrow from the citizenry

What Iraq war? They all ran home and took off their uniforms.

Fine, let's do the math. 750 million rounds divided by five years is 150 million rounds per year. DHS has 240k employees. That's 625 rounds person per year. Fuck, I use more ammo than that per year.

Are you really saying that having a reporter behind the front lines and accompanied by a military censor at all times was better than having reporters physically on the front line with troops with no supervision what so ever?

It's amazing really; This happens every time a new party takes office in the WH. Both sides do it.

They've been saying Obama is going to take away our firearms. Well, here we are six years into his presidency and... Still hasn't happened. Won't happen under Obama, won't happen after the next election, won't happen in the next twenty years or my lifetime.

I watch the channel every day...including this morning because they have good solid news programming in the morning hours.

You can google it...or you can just watch it for yourself. Tune in tonight. Watch Rachel Maddow and see for yourself. There will be NO conservatives on there.

DVR Hannity or OReilly tonight. I GUARANTEE you there will be a liberal on there. And there are liberals on Hannity and OReilly every night. Not just every once in a while.

That's one of the reasons that Hannity trounces Maddow in the ratings. Neither one is a real news show. They are both sucking up to their respective conservative and liberal audiences.
But Hannity's show is simply a better SHOW (talking entertainment).

As I said...just watch both of them tonight (DVR one of them). Then, without worrying about politics or what you personally believe, just check them both out and see who has opposing views on their show.

And yes, Buchanan WAS on MSNBC. And he has talked at length about being forced out of MSNBC over his political viewpoint and how they didn't want any real conservative views being pushed on the network.

It was a move by them for ratings...they THOUGHT that since the country had voted Democrat in 2008 that it meant that more people wanted to see liberal hosts. Turns out they were wrong in that regard (viewership numbers).

They have the same problem that "Air America" had (the failed liberal radio talk show debacle from a couple of years ago). They just aren't hiring any good entertaining men or women that can reach out and grab an audience.

There is no liberal version of Rush Limbaugh. And that is what MSNBC needs (I'm talking ability to entertain people and put "asses in the seats")

I'll see your news anchor and raise you a Vice President. Bet you didn't see this on MSNBC


Got to be awesome saying you wouldn't trust yourself

Hell yes...not a "censor" or course. You're thinking of the first Iraq war when Peter Arnett was reporting from Baghdad. That's not what I'm talking about.

In Vietnam, the reporters showing what was REALLY happening over there from both sides was what got the country to protest that war.

In Iraq you had the press buddying up with the military. How the hell can a reporter be expected to give the full story if they never see the other side of the coin and are becoming great friends with the people they are supposed to be covering?

Come on...the military, the govt., and the press all together as one big happy family? That is the exact opposite of what a free press is supposed to do.

Ernest Hemingway was on the front lines of the Spanish War and wrote some of the most compelling war time reports in history from what he saw.

More recently the reporters that covered the Vietnam War did the same thing.

The ones "embedded" with the troops? Nothing but nationalistic, glowing reports of how we "liberated" the Iraqi's. It was shameful of the press to do that.

Who the hell are the Homeland Security people shooting every year?

Oh, nobody. Okay. And they still needed 750 MILLION rounds to do what? Practice to shoot people? WTF?

Rochard, you're trying to take the govt.'s side and make us all feel better...but I feel worse after reading your posts! lol

Or maybe the president himself?

Home Land security is suppose to be a force inside the US to protect us. Why would after they bought 1.6 billion rounds of ammo need 750 million more, to dry up supply's for others.

Think of it this way, they have military weapons, they are using M4's and M16's . They can fire .223, but they are made for .556 which is a NATO round. There is a shortage of civilian ammo, not military ammo.