holy shit that was unreal

(At this point I just like to argue with you.)

The DHS isn't really new at all. It's just a new way of organization what we have and putting them under one department. For example, we've had the Immigration and Naturalization Service for decades, and now this is part of the DHS. So is the Border Patrol. It also includes the US Secret Service and I think the Coast Guard?

for the record- here is a pic of an la la swat vehicle, the department is on record saying they are designed and built for rescue, that's why they don't have gun ports, etc

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3500/3...bf85d075_z.jpg

i expect democrats to be the party of big government. they admit that they are.

i also expect the republicans to be the party of small government, since thats what they say they are. But they are the party the exploded the debt, created a new unfunded entitlement program, created the homeland security bureaucracy, created the patriot act.

AKA, there is nothing small government about republicans.

mrap walkers coming soon to a major metropolitan city, refinery, airport, or wtfever near you.

http://www.duffelblog.com/wp-content...9/walkers1.jpg

Hannity's show is a scam. For instance, on one occasion he broadcast from a barren crop field suffering from drought and claimed that liberals refused to allow the farmers to use nearby river water because they were protecting a tiny fish.

What Hannity failed to mention during the show is that the farmers were permitted a certain amount of emergency water for the crops, but these farmers took a gamble and sold the rights to this water before the farming season started.

He also didn't talk about how the downstream fishing industry relied on the smaller fish getting through so the bigger fish could eat them.

The entire network is smoke & mirrors.

sorry. i forgot...

it was republicans that invaded a country without just cause. created the TARP program while they sell free market dogma. they want to regulate a womans body. regulate who gets to marry & who cannot. use government to force a vegetable to stay on life support. interfere with a suffering persons desire for a painless death of their own choosing.

the only things they dont want to regulate are guns & disaster relief.

republicans :1orglaugh

I think you mean "politicians", not just "republicans"

Obama was supposed to stop this shit. Instead he's pretty much the same.
And don't forget it was an overwhelming majority of Dems and Repubs who voted for the Iraq War.

I put a video of Hillary Clinton earlier in this thread.

They are ALL full of shit.

And yes, the Republicans get the most of my disdain for their sucking up to the religious right. But the Democrats have pretty much proved themselves just as bad sucking up to unions and environmental groups (the ones who are making a killing off of "green energy" companies that haven't worked).

They all suck.

It was only a few decades ago that Democrat President Johnson (with the Democrat ruled House and Senate) ramped up the war in Vietnam, went into Cambodia...and actually was pretty much forced by public opinion to NOT run for a second full term in office.

Remember? Nixon won in 1968 as he vowed to END the Vietnam War and he beat Hubert Humphrey who was the Democrat nominee and was Johnson's Vice-President and supported the war.

Don't be fooled by these politicians trying to pretend that their party is somehow "better". They are all crooks.

I registered and voted Libertarian in 2012 because of my disgust at Bush and Obama and the Dem and Republican parties overall.

Bullshit. If it was "built for rescue" all you would need is a jeep.

You just figured it out?

People did vote for change. I supported Bush on a large number of issues. Iraq, 9/11, Afghanistan.... But at the end Bush destroyed our economy. It doesn't matter what role he played in it, he was in the White House and he gets the blame. When people "voted for a change" what that really means is "anything other than a Republican".

I think the Republican party got the majority of the blame for the economy, for better or worse, and putting up McCain and then Romney was bad decisions. In the mean time, the Republican party has been nothing but jerks since then. There is no unity. At all.

I wonder where this is going. Who will the Democrats run - Hillary? Oh god no. And who will stand up for the Republicans? Might be fun.

lolz, sure thing rochard.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qWb0NIlKhf...rap-dhs-lg.png

you are correct on all your points.

But to me, the dems rhetoric & agenda are somewhat in line. obamacare? a government solution to the uninsured. the deficit? they say that stimulus & job growth is more important then austerity.

Repubs? wall to wall hypocrisy on core issues. as someone who prefers small tax rates, limits on government power, & the right to sell porn, the repubs should be my party, in theory.

but their not even close.

They say they are to used for high risk warrants

Bush started it Obama made it huge, so where does that make it right?

Guess you didn't see where Fema just denied funds to Texas http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...osion/2415619/

Both clubs need some restructure, Obamacare has over 20,000 pages of regulation, that can't be good. Job Growth? Where, new jobs are always outnumbered by new people coming of age to work, Democrats have been blowing that. Deficit, the funds come mainly from Social Security, Obama has been blowing everyone retirement.

I'm sure Occupy would have been a good testing ground for that

Are you kidding? They are hiring 16,000 new IRS agents to "enforce" ObamaCare

See, they do create new jobs. :(

Well, why the fuck would you need an armored vehicle for rescue work? If you need to go four wheeling or across a stream for a rescue... You need a jeep, not a tank.

This is not true at all.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/irs-expansion/

LOL... How much did OWS cost local governments? What did it accomplish?

That was fun.

Well I at least know they will have plenty of bullets

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, predicts that the rate will remain above 7.5 percent through next year. ?If that happens, 2014 will be the sixth consecutive year with unemployment exceeding 7-½ percent of the labor force ? the longest such period in the past 70 years,? CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf stated in Senate testimony Feb. 25.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may...costs-20120512

4.7 million

Depends on how you look at it

Obamacare provides for the IRS to determine who gets what in Obamacare and the 16k new agents is an estimate/ It doesn't actually say anything about new agents.
20,000 pages of regulations, you know more people are going to be needed to get the funds from people to fund it....


Obamacare is putting a tax on breast implants!!!
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...-of-obamacare/

shoot me an email vendzilla at yahoo dot com

no shit sherlock

Here's what Rachel Maddow has to work with lately. She's not making this shit up. We should be frightened that these people are running our country.

Her wind up takes a minute, but then she dives into some of the recent pearls of wisdom from Republican members of congress on abortion. With all of the things that need to be done in Congress, and all of the potentially good things they shoot down, a national abortion ban is what they're passionate about -- voting it through by something like 95% -- even though it's going to get vetoed by Obama.

Watch the entire video. Wouldn't anyone be angry about this shit, no matter which side your on? You wouldn't see FOX news complaining about shit like this, because their values are in the wrong place. That's the difference between MSNBC and FOX.

It won't get that far as it will never pass in the Senate, in fact it may never even get voted on in the Senate.

and this is what Congress is busing doing. Trying to kill Obamacare for the 37th time, and pass a nationwide abortion ban that will never make it through the Senate. They seem very passionate about these things, and nothing else. They have to be most useless Congress in US history.

I just wanted to point out that your article is from over three years ago.

Carry-on!

I've been worried about ALL the politicians running our country for a while now.

That's what I don't think you are really focusing on. You are picking "sides" when there aren't any among politicians. They are all the same.

I don't believe that any Republican or Democrat in Congress gives 2 shits about abortion (or anything else) one way or another. They simply choose their "position" on the "issues" according to what will get them elected or re-elected and keep them in their nice positions of power and wealth.

There is simply NO way that politicians care one bit about you, me, or any of these things that they debate all the time.
They are just wanting to keep their own power.

As for Rachel Maddow...she is "reporting" (if you call talking about stupid comments from politicians "reporting) whatever will get her fan base of ultra-liberal viewers and lesbians (she is definitely THE superstar of the lesbian community) to watch the show and bring in ratings.
And it works for her somewhat.
She gets trounced 2 to 1 by Hannity in the ratings...BUT, she's kicking the shit out of Piers Morgan on CNN in the ratings. So she's at number 2 in her time slot.

By the way, the "conservative" shows like Hannity do the same exact thing to Democrat politicians as Maddow is doing with Republican politicians.
Hannity will play montages of Democrat politicians that will feature them taking one side on an issue and then taking the EXACT OPPOSITE side at another time. He has a great one of Obama making promises and then later breaking them.

What Maddow is doing with that vid is good television and good entertainment. Where she fucks it all up...is by not following it up with a conservative guest to debate them over the video.
Instead...she follows it up on her show with other ultra-liberal guests who all smirk and laugh and agree with her 100%

And that is why Hannity is killing her in the ratings. He brings on liberals to defend themselves and that is far more interesting to the viewers.

:2 cents:

The ideaolgy was probably there at the start for most of them, but a quick look at what any govt in the UK in the last 20 or 30 years (I can't speak from experience for other countries obviously) has actually done tells you all you need to know about how much the politicians genuinely care about the people they are supposed to be working for, and representing.

The only reason Hannity wins in the rating is because every old person in America watches. Young liberals aren't in front of their TV at 9:00 every weeknight.

The big observation is that every time there's some dumb, bigoted, ignorant thing said from a politician, it's coming from the right. This is why I put more stock in the other side.

You seem to always have a neutral comment, but you have to see the lesser of two evils.

And that's exactly why I give more support to the left than the right. At least the left is honest about it. The right on the other hand tries to piss on you and claim it's raining.

the left is more honest. but thats not gonna make me favor the left over the right. somewhere in the 2020s, the public will be tired of the dems as much as they were with the repubs in 2008. especially if the dems are dumb enough to nominate hilary. that will kill the dems like bush killed the repubs.

thing is, democrats didnt move to the center after losing in 2000. all they did was rubber stamp the bush agenda until iraq went bad. their entire agenda since 2006 is that we're not the republicans, & that has worked well.

eventually the dems will build their baggage. its coming in the form of the giant debt, & no ability to bail out wall street when they tank the economy, again. the public will totally forget who the repubs are & they will be right back in power.

just a matter of when the next bad recession comes. it is destiny given the wealth gap.

because they are ass fucking twinks, don't need to worry about abortions... what keeps politicians elected and reelected is 'quick fix' rhetoric. for instance in Los Angles something like only 23% voted in the last mayoral election... the city is broke, business are leaving the area due to heavy regulation and tax and LA's best plan is to run around looking a dicksCalifornia lawmakers are paid higher than 85% of the people working in the state, and this is a state under performing in every area, economically and sociallyI'm a Thomas Sowell fan myself...

the left is intellectually dishonest IMO...

The left is more honest? That is about the most stupid thing I have heard on this forum. They are politicians, which means they lie.

democrats are in charge right now, remember that
NSA
IRS
AP news phone records



left is more honest? dumb dumb dumb