For the record, Paypal has allowed adult for at least a couple years now. What they don't allow is "digitally delivered [adult] goods." i.e. subscriptions, downloads, etc..

Physical items, such as DVD's are perfectly fine, and I have an email from them stating as such.

PayPal should set up a "high risk" version of itself for adult memberships, like maybe AdultPayPal or something, and charge 10% for adult transactions.

Paypal would make money, and almost all adult sites would offer this option, so it would be a win-win for all.

Until then, as people have already mentioned, you are still paying 15% to the 3rd party processor, and PayPal can still just reverse course and leave everyone out in the cold at the drop of a dime.

It will be interesting to see where this goes...

Question:


How prevalent is Paypal in these European countries? If they are not, would this be considered a nice strategy to get market share/users in those countries?

Big in the UK - Not sure about the rest...

Yah - I spoke to them on phone. At first I was told by their support that this Paypal billing is possible only at the UK, but their other support at - sells told me that this is possible on the territory of whole EU. They currently are working to make that happen worldwide.

However they accepted a policy to work with Mastercard ( and thus their clients have to pay $500 annual fee ).

I was told they convert better than CCbill...... and I use CCbill.

I wonder if you can say no to MC - Then if someone wants to pay with MC they can use PP?..

Will be interesting to see how this all pans out.....

UK here and I don't see the paypal option. ISP is Virgin, fwiw (if anything).

I get it on BT - Strange...

We are pleased to inform you that Epoch has added PayPal as our newest payment type. We are launching a pilot program with PayPal to our European-based merchants and their European customers. This represents a major enhancement to our industry-leading processing platform, which already offers merchants the ability to accept more than 35 international payment types and process in 59 different currencies.

By adding a PayPal option, you will significantly increase your sales from people and places that do not favor traditional payment cards. You will also enjoy a distinct advantage in an industry that is rapidly diversifying to serve the mobile market, as PayPal is a mobile-friendly option.

We are honored to have been selected by PayPal for this pilot program, and are proud to offer this payment type to our clients. We agree with PayPal's approach to begin by offering this pilot exclusively in Europe. We look forward to continuing to work with PayPal and leading the industry in delivering quality payment options to our clients.

This pilot program is now being rolled out to our European merchants that accept our full suite of payment options. Integration is completely automatic and seamless, with PayPal transactions falling under the category of Additional Alternative Payments in our agreements.

We appreciate being your payment solution of choice. Feel free to contact your account representative if you have any questions.

Here we go :thumbsup

Interesting why some of the EU countries have been excluded though, like Czech Republic, Slovakia or Poland to name a few.

bye bye ccbill

Not sure about that - But definitely a coup for Epoch...

This is pretty huge ... could be quite awesome for mobile billing.

Since I'm kinda new in this - I've been told that I'm able to use two payment processors at same time. One to be a primary. So far my clients appears to be only from US and Australia. And it smells to me like changing lanes with Epoch when Paypal is worldwide allowed

I asked them the same question, and I've been told " It would be silly not to sign with MC, since 30 % of the people worldwide are using it."
So like it or not /using it or not/ you pay them $500 annual for MC and f*ck off - basically that's what I understood.

Ugggghghhh can't process with Epoch as a Canadian... Delaware corp here we go again... so shitty.

yeah but how will you process as a USA corp?

open a Delaware company , open a US bank account , declare your income to the IRS as an alien '' resident '' ,

Had that with Epoch till 2-3 years ago when I closed my paysites.
Bank account was pre-9/11 ( easier to open ) , as well as the company.

I've always had trouble with Canadians and ukers who use maestro, switch, and solo. The program I use seemingly cannot process these cards for shit.. And the programs that can don't convert as well..

As an affiliate, my top priority is always to match processors and cards before the first drop of traffic hits.

Sadly I'm forced to purchase predominately US traffic (87%)..

Been there twice. First with Nevada, then Delaware. Fuck it, I sayz!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

CCBill should get on board

:love2suck:jerkoff

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Well and how Turkey and Israel are europe? :)

By the way if you want to print "Paypal" only to countries that supports it, you can do something like this in php:

$epoch_paypal_countries = array('AD', 'AT', 'BE', 'CY', 'DK', 'FI', 'FR', 'DE', 'GI', 'LU', 'GR', 'GL', 'IE', 'IS', 'IM', 'IL', 'IT', 'LI', 'MT', 'MC', 'NL', 'NO', 'PT', 'RO', 'SM', 'SI', 'ES', 'SE', 'CH', 'TR', 'GB', 'VA');
$showpaypal = in_array($_SERVER[GEOIP_COUNTRY_CODE], $epoch_paypal_countries);

<? if ($showpaypal) { ?> PayPal click here <? } ?>

Note that Vatican shows paypal.

So where's the dumbass now?

Dumbass douchebag :321GFY:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

don't fall for the okie doke...paypal is world class middle men with a whole host of people that have had funds jacked, seized, and accounts frozen and closed for next to nothing!

Why now a 180 degree turn

already had some decent signups trough paypal
pleasantly surprised

You should start paypalnolongersucks.com... just a thought. :winkwink:

So as a US company it's only my European customers that can use PayPal OR beinga US company does this mean NONE of my european customers can use PayPal?

Some of us remember when Paypal came to the adult market and gave us the thumbs up... And we invested time and money into putting them up, only to have them pull out six months later.

That's why they only accept it trough a trusted party now (Epoch).
Epoch takes care of the compliance etc. so it won't be the wild west like it was last time.

You are indicating that Epoch is the only trusted party that PayPal will work with in adult. Do you have proof that PayPal will only work with Epoch exclusively because PayPal only trusts Epoch in the adult arena?

CCBill is very meticulous & cautious in their business dealings, this is how they've sustained unprecedented longevity in the adult industry.

I'm somewhat taken back that an Epoch end user broke the story about PayPal seemingly beta testing use with Epoch, and that it seems as though Epoch was forced to issue emails the following day notifying people of of the current "beta testing" of PayPal in EU.

It looks like now they are for now, but maybe in the future they will allow others?

So who knows PayPal will allow other adult processors as well in the future if they are happy with the results of the pilot.

Same for Epoch, both have been around for 15 years.

In regards to compliance (what sites/content they will process for) Epoch is stricter than CCBILL, so maybe that's why PayPal chose to work with Epoch first, but that's just a guess. Maybe they just had the right contacts. I'm sure this is something that has been in the works for months, if not years.

Yeah it does look like that, but if they didn't want this to become public before an official press release they could have contacted some select clients to beta test this and have them sign an NDA or something. But even then other people could have noticed and posted about it.

please die idiot.

Here too! It's great!

3 posts above you!

Open the door, paypal!

I meant, if Epoch is only rolling it out to Europe how will being a US corp help you use Paypal as a payment solution?

I think it's awesome

great news!

Then we could all make jokes about how history repeats itself. :1orglaugh

In april 2013 I saw some local porn company comming out of no where and processing their adult sites with paypal... I emailed them (paypal) to figure how come it was possible and here's the reply I got from them:

Dear XXXXXX XXXXXXX,
Thank you for contacting PayPal's Brand Risk Management department with
your question regarding adult sites. Each adult website is reviewed by
our department for compliance with our Acceptable Use Policy. If you
would like to receive payments for an adult site please forward the URL
so we can provide accurate feedback.
If you have additional questions please contact [email protected].

Sincerely,
Brent
PayPal Customer Solutions
PayPal, an eBay Company

Copyright ? 1999-2013 PayPal. All rights reserved.

The FriendFinder network supports PP both adult and non.

Fascinating. Can a few of us email paypal there and see if any is granted direct PayPal processing deal?

I actually might consider looking into it for my one-time payments. For anything that rebills, I wouldn't risk it.

good news but not an option for me here neither