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CCBill should get on board

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Well and how Turkey and Israel are europe? :)

By the way if you want to print "Paypal" only to countries that supports it, you can do something like this in php:

$epoch_paypal_countries = array('AD', 'AT', 'BE', 'CY', 'DK', 'FI', 'FR', 'DE', 'GI', 'LU', 'GR', 'GL', 'IE', 'IS', 'IM', 'IL', 'IT', 'LI', 'MT', 'MC', 'NL', 'NO', 'PT', 'RO', 'SM', 'SI', 'ES', 'SE', 'CH', 'TR', 'GB', 'VA');
$showpaypal = in_array($_SERVER[GEOIP_COUNTRY_CODE], $epoch_paypal_countries);

<? if ($showpaypal) { ?> PayPal click here <? } ?>

Note that Vatican shows paypal.

So where's the dumbass now?

Dumbass douchebag :321GFY:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

don't fall for the okie doke...paypal is world class middle men with a whole host of people that have had funds jacked, seized, and accounts frozen and closed for next to nothing!

Why now a 180 degree turn

already had some decent signups trough paypal
pleasantly surprised

You should start paypalnolongersucks.com... just a thought. :winkwink:

So as a US company it's only my European customers that can use PayPal OR beinga US company does this mean NONE of my european customers can use PayPal?

Some of us remember when Paypal came to the adult market and gave us the thumbs up... And we invested time and money into putting them up, only to have them pull out six months later.

That's why they only accept it trough a trusted party now (Epoch).
Epoch takes care of the compliance etc. so it won't be the wild west like it was last time.

You are indicating that Epoch is the only trusted party that PayPal will work with in adult. Do you have proof that PayPal will only work with Epoch exclusively because PayPal only trusts Epoch in the adult arena?

CCBill is very meticulous & cautious in their business dealings, this is how they've sustained unprecedented longevity in the adult industry.

I'm somewhat taken back that an Epoch end user broke the story about PayPal seemingly beta testing use with Epoch, and that it seems as though Epoch was forced to issue emails the following day notifying people of of the current "beta testing" of PayPal in EU.

It looks like now they are for now, but maybe in the future they will allow others?

So who knows PayPal will allow other adult processors as well in the future if they are happy with the results of the pilot.

Same for Epoch, both have been around for 15 years.

In regards to compliance (what sites/content they will process for) Epoch is stricter than CCBILL, so maybe that's why PayPal chose to work with Epoch first, but that's just a guess. Maybe they just had the right contacts. I'm sure this is something that has been in the works for months, if not years.

Yeah it does look like that, but if they didn't want this to become public before an official press release they could have contacted some select clients to beta test this and have them sign an NDA or something. But even then other people could have noticed and posted about it.

please die idiot.

Here too! It's great!

3 posts above you!

Open the door, paypal!

I meant, if Epoch is only rolling it out to Europe how will being a US corp help you use Paypal as a payment solution?

I think it's awesome

great news!

Then we could all make jokes about how history repeats itself. :1orglaugh

In april 2013 I saw some local porn company comming out of no where and processing their adult sites with paypal... I emailed them (paypal) to figure how come it was possible and here's the reply I got from them:

Dear XXXXXX XXXXXXX,
Thank you for contacting PayPal's Brand Risk Management department with
your question regarding adult sites. Each adult website is reviewed by
our department for compliance with our Acceptable Use Policy. If you
would like to receive payments for an adult site please forward the URL
so we can provide accurate feedback.
If you have additional questions please contact [email protected].

Sincerely,
Brent
PayPal Customer Solutions
PayPal, an eBay Company

Copyright ? 1999-2013 PayPal. All rights reserved.

The FriendFinder network supports PP both adult and non.

Fascinating. Can a few of us email paypal there and see if any is granted direct PayPal processing deal?

I actually might consider looking into it for my one-time payments. For anything that rebills, I wouldn't risk it.

good news but not an option for me here neither

Facebook will allow porn next. It's all about the surveillance.

It's hard to click "like" buttons while fapping... maybe if they integrate google glass somehow... hmmm

Epoch's compliant department is very stringent, probably the most strict out of all the payment facilitators. Not sure if that had anything to do with how they pulled this off, though.


Paypal's come A LONG way in terms of fraud prevention and they still bill for gambling sites where its legal, so my guess is Paypal processing for adult is going to slowly roll out to the US too.

This is the most interesting post here.

No offense to Epoch, or to the very original poster, but I personally would prefer to get direct approval from paypal and manage my own compliance with their rules than be lumped in with all of Epoch's customers and (in my opinion more extreme niches) and wait until one of them does something that paypal (or epoch) deem so bad they close down the whole show.

I also wonder if PayPal would be acceptable for DVDs sold on a website, or other 'tangible goods' that need to be shipped (toys, panties, etc).

They already do accept that.

The only thing they didn't allow was adult paysite subscriptions.

Yes. Selling physical DVD's is perfectly within Paypal's TOS and I have an email from them confirming it.

It drives me nuts whenever I see people say "paypal doesn't allow adult". Yes they do. They just don't allow digitally delivered adult goods.

I've been selling my content on ebay for over 2yrs now, using Paypal as my payment processor. Both ebay and paypal are aware of this and haven't done a thing.

The only thing that happened to me is when I first started, I skirted ebay's rules and was selling downloadable zip files. Made a small killing for over 6 months before they finally took action. (Ebay, not Paypal).. and they didn't shut me down.. They simply deleted my listings and told me I had to sell my items as physical DVD's and CD's.

Yes.. it sucks, since I had to raise my prices significantly to cover shipping, and my sales dropped tremendously as a result. Buyers don't want this stuff sent to their home!

I should also note that I went from paying ebay approximately $300/mo in fees to around $5/mo. I understand $300/mo is a drop in the bucket.. but even so.. If I were ebay, I would have turned the other cheek.

But can someone answer me this.. I don't see what all the excitement is about Epoch landing Paypal.. Probably the only reason I like Paypal as an option is to avoid Visa/MC fees. If you have to go through epoch to use paypal, you're still going to have to pay those fees.

To me, if Paypal decided to allow us to process directly through Paypal, that would be exciting.

The US is a creditcard nation. In Europe not everyone has a creditcard. It's not about the fees it's about a larger amount of people that are able to join a site. If you're familiar with a type of payment you're more likely to make a purchase.

I contacted them through that email [email protected] and here is their reply:

Dear XXXXXX XXXXXXX,

Thank you for contacting PayPal. We appreciate the fact that you are
looking to use PayPal to send and receive payments for your
transactions. However, you would not be able to use PayPal on your
website.

Please refer to:
- Website/s: http://africanblacklesbians.com/

Under the Acceptable Use Policy, PayPal may not be used to send or
receive payments for certain sexually oriented materials or services or
for items that could be considered obscene.

The complete Acceptable Use Policy can be found at the following URL:
https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?c...locale.x=en_US

To learn more about the Acceptable Use Policy, please refer to our Help
Center page here:
https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/helpweb?cmd=_help

You can find additional information and tips about buying and selling
safely on our Business Resource Center at
https://www.paypal-businesscenter.co...-your-business.

If you have any questions, please contact the PayPal Brand Risk
Management Department at [email protected].

Sincerely,
Heidy
PayPal, Brand Risk Management
PayPal, an eBay Company
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Copyright ? ####-#### PayPal. All rights reserved.

Maybe I should ask Heidy to confirm this with Brent? :1orglaugh