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Simon 06-22-2013 05:07 AM

Question about how the system is tracking affiliates.

If the user was sent to the paysite by an affiliate link, will the affiliate receive credit if the email winds up causing them to come back and sign up, or will the affiliate be denied the commission for that sale?

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Jel 06-22-2013 06:19 AM

speaking as an affiliate - I didn't make the sale, why should I be credited for a sale the program owner made from a mailer? I got zero problem at all from an aff POV with any program that implements this.

eromike 06-22-2013 07:37 AM

This is a great idea and I've seen something similar used on non adult sites for carts (though interestingly many sites dont use it either, so another growth area).

I'd been having a hunt around for something, didnt finish the purchase, but they had my email addy by that time, got a follow up email about the abandoned cart and, for a short time only, giving me a £ off coupon to complete order. very clever. surprised more firms dont use it.

BAKO 06-22-2013 07:49 AM

It's a lot better then banging someone's credit card with 3 different cross sales lol

freecartoonporn 06-22-2013 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19682039)
speaking as an affiliate - I didn't make the sale, why should I be credited for a sale the program owner made from a mailer? I got zero problem at all from an aff POV with any program that implements this.

you sound like program owner.

i hope you get what i am trying to say. there are programs offering 6 months cookie.

Jel 06-22-2013 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by freecartoonporn (Post 19682110)
you sound like program owner.

i hope you get what i am trying to say. there are programs offering 6 months cookie.

Even when I say "speaking as an affiliate"?

MichaelP 06-22-2013 08:58 AM

Wow Thats nice !

Hey Mike you should consider a Meet Market Table in Montreal for this :winkwink:

Simon 06-22-2013 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19682039)
speaking as an affiliate - I didn't make the sale, why should I be credited for a sale the program owner made from a mailer? I got zero problem at all from an aff POV with any program that implements this.

Hiya Jel - I agree that if I didn't make the sale I shouldn't get credit for the signup. What I really meant was more related to the situation that Sharky mentioned, where he just got sidetracked and probably would have gone back to sign up later anyway.

In that case, if someone checked their email in-between first visit and going back to sign up, they might click a link in the email they were sent almost immediately after closing the page the first time. So if that link has a new affiliate ID, then the affiliate who may have done a lot of pre-selling to get them to the site in the first place (perhaps even paid for advertising or traffic), would get cut out of the commission that I think they earned.

I know many sponsors collect emails as step one of the sign up process. Some of them wait until the affiliate code expires before sending a mailing to those addresses. A very few mail earlier but with offers that preserve the affiliates' cookies. The others mail offers before that time, and include links that over-write the affiliate cookies.

The first kind of sponsor I'll promote. The second kind I'll promote even more heavily. The third kind generate a plague-like avoidance.

Just wanted to clarify what I meant by my question.

Still would like to know the answer too.

:)


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freecartoonporn 06-22-2013 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19682161)
Even when I say "speaking as an affiliate"?

yes,

if the surfer came by affiliate link then affiliate should get credit .

sometimes it takes 3-4 visits for surfer to get interested in product and make purchase and you wont be leaving him that chance by spamming him. so its like forcing him to signup using your offer which wont give affiliate his cut. :2 cents:

Sharky 06-22-2013 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by usernameistaken (Post 19681777)
I will hit you up monday. It's been a while :)

I look forward to it;)

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Originally Posted by CamBoss (Post 19681851)
I know a guy who works for a company that does this for HUGE (the largest) mainstream sites. It def works!

Thanks. It does indeed!

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Originally Posted by topsiteking (Post 19681881)
I'll be in contact.

I'll look out for it

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Originally Posted by SimonSays (Post 19682001)
Question about how the system is tracking affiliates.

If the user was sent to the paysite by an affiliate link, will the affiliate receive credit if the email winds up causing them to come back and sign up, or will the affiliate be denied the commission for that sale?

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That decision is up to the program owner, but in my opinion - No. The user has actually closed the browser, backed out and left the site.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19682039)
speaking as an affiliate - I didn't make the sale, why should I be credited for a sale the program owner made from a mailer? I got zero problem at all from an aff POV with any program that implements this.

Thanks! This is my point exactly

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Originally Posted by eromike (Post 19682097)
This is a great idea and I've seen something similar used on non adult sites for carts (though interestingly many sites dont use it either, so another growth area).

I'd been having a hunt around for something, didnt finish the purchase, but they had my email addy by that time, got a follow up email about the abandoned cart and, for a short time only, giving me a £ off coupon to complete order. very clever. surprised more firms dont use it.


Thanks. I appreciate the comment

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAKO (Post 19682108)
It's a lot better then banging someone's credit card with 3 different cross sales lol

Indeed it is Bako. :thumbsup

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelP (Post 19682170)
Wow Thats nice !

Hey Mike you should consider a Meet Market Table in Montreal for this :winkwink:

I've thought about it Michael. Not sure I will be able to make the show this year though. :Oh crap


Quote:

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn (Post 19682213)
yes,

if the surfer came by affiliate link then affiliate should get credit .

sometimes it takes 3-4 visits for surfer to get interested in product and make purchase and you wont be leaving him that chance by spamming him. so its like forcing him to signup using your offer which wont give affiliate his cut. :2 cents:

The affiliate should get credit for a sale that happens after the user closes the browser and leaves the site?
Affiliates now days are getting way too greedy. Should the affiliate program choose NOT to take advantage of an income generating opportunity that does not interfere with the affiliates traffic, because a user *might* choose to come back at a later time?

Come on man!


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Originally Posted by SimonSays (Post 19682199)
Hiya Jel - I agree that if I didn't make the sale I shouldn't get credit for the signup. What I really meant was more related to the situation that Sharky mentioned, where he just got sidetracked and probably would have gone back to sign up later anyway.

In that case, if someone checked their email in-between first visit and going back to sign up, they might click a link in the email they were sent almost immediately after closing the page the first time. So if that link has a new affiliate ID, then the affiliate who may have done a lot of pre-selling to get them to the site in the first place (perhaps even paid for advertising or traffic), would get cut out of the commission that I think they earned.

I know many sponsors collect emails as step one of the sign up process. Some of them wait until the affiliate code expires before sending a mailing to those addresses. A very few mail earlier but with offers that preserve the affiliates' cookies. The others mail offers before that time, and include links that over-write the affiliate cookies.

The first kind of sponsor I'll promote. The second kind I'll promote even more heavily. The third kind generate a plague-like avoidance.

Just wanted to clarify what I meant by my question.

Still would like to know the answer too.

:)


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This is the reason we aren't currently sending the email offer out immediately. In our initial testing, waiting an hour before dispatching the email has provided time for those users to come back and purchase before seeing an offer. When the user purchases, we have a way of preventing the offer email to be sent which prevents chargebacks or refunds as well.

woj 06-22-2013 03:36 PM

50..,.,.,.,. :)

freecartoonporn 06-22-2013 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharky (Post 19682407)

The affiliate should get credit for a sale that happens after the user closes the browser and leaves the site?
Affiliates now days are getting way too greedy. Should the affiliate program choose NOT to take advantage of an income generating opportunity that does not interfere with the affiliates traffic, because a user *might* choose to come back at a later time?

Come on man!

but the affiliate programs are always been greedy. who sent the surfer in the first place ?

okie., i am off, do what you gotta do . good luck.

adulttraffic 06-22-2013 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 19676627)
Sharky,

You are capturing the email during the sign up form process and they never actually agree to the mailing. Do we have to put a disclaimer on the sign up form page that we are capturing your data to stay complaint?

No, you don't. You can email market ANYONE you wish. That's why many people refer it to the CAN spam act.

NikKay 06-24-2013 09:28 AM

We used to do this with escorts who abandoned during the ad building process. They got really creeped out when we contacted them a few days later so we had to abandon it. :)

Bman 06-24-2013 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NikKay (Post 19684266)
We used to do this with escorts who abandoned during the ad building process. They got really creeped out when we contacted them a few days later so we had to abandon it. :)

I would say this has more to do with state of mental health...nothing to do with business:2 cents:

Barefootsies 06-24-2013 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by adulttraffic (Post 19682698)
No, you don't. You can email market ANYONE you wish. That's why many people refer it to the CAN spam act.

That would be incorrect.

You obviously know nothing about the CAN-SPAM act and compliance. Or you're just trolling for effect and giving people bad advice. Which, considering your own post history, is probably more so the case. Before you can start sending someone email, they need to DOUBLE OPT-IN to accept your marketing messages per CAN-SPAM (assuming you're located in the U.S.). Single OPT-IN's do not count as CAN-SPAM compliant.

:disgust

DVTimes 06-24-2013 08:17 PM

sounds great

myjah 06-24-2013 10:38 PM

We do this and carry the affiliate code through. Works great.


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