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Jel 06-28-2013 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19691320)
To be fair if you remove the profit incentive you remove much of the motivation to create many of these blogs. They along with Tumblr were probably getting hammered with low quality blackhat splogs. You had people talking of creating thousands of these a day.

...that weren't getting traffic anyway, so not resource heavy. And the drop in porn on blogger will be like taking a cup of water out of a bathtub.

Google hates affiliates, end of. They don't see affiliates as being of service to sponsors - they are too utopian and believe affiliates are evil. Offline equivalent is wiping out the entire salesman industry for being 'leeches'. Too many cunts at G now, when they were a SE they were fantastic. Now they are 'insert whatever the fuck they are, because I don't think anyone even knows', they are shit.

How's this for serps, after all the 'great work' they've done over the years, for someone trying to sell a phone in the Ripley area:

https://www.google.com/search?as_q=s...=&as_rig hts=

be more specific with 'sell my phone ripley':
https://www.google.com/search?num=10...rp.rskEH148vQQ

Total and utter shit.

Sooner all their serps are full of shitty off topic results like this, and everyone switches, the better.

signupdamnit 06-28-2013 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by baggg (Post 19691328)
That will never happen :2 cents:
1/3+ of their searches is porn related,if Joe Avarage cant find his "blonde teen double penetrated" video in google he will go and use bing,for everything and google will loose millions of visitors/day

I could see a strict firewall being created though. Porn results on one domain or sub-domain and all other results on another. Actually I would welcome it. But it's possible they will try to take advantage of pornographers much like yahoo did with the $600 submission fees for adult sites. Further they might strengthen accountability requirements or things of this nature such as forcing you to register your domain for it to appear and then associating it with a verified GWT account. It's largely acceptable to pick on pornographers, unfortunately. This three day notice is just another example. :(

oppoten 06-28-2013 02:18 PM

I wanted to write an essay on this, but I'll try and sum it up in a sentence. Tubes, and free porn in general, offers greater espionage potential.

Suppose a surfer clicks through from a Blogger blog to a paysite, and joins the paysite. At no point in that process has he publically "shared" any personal info about himself. On the other hand, he could create a free profile on Pornhub or Xhamster (or even Blogger) that is a public declaration of his own sexual desires and experiences. If he were a suspicious individual, then the feds could easily cross-check his porn profiles against his mainstream ones, and develop an accurate picture of that individual's public vs private life.

I think that could be the key thing here. Google, Facebook and others are pushing a certain "vision" for the web, that is perhaps linked to the Snowden case and the surveillance society he speaks of.

From Blogger's own terms of service:

Quote:

Blogger is a free service for communication, self-expression and freedom of speech. We believe that Blogger increases the availability of information, encourages healthy debate and makes possible new connections between people.
I pretty much read that as "tell us shit".

alias 06-28-2013 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19691336)
Google hates affiliates, end of. They don't see affiliates as being of service to sponsors - they are too utopian and believe affiliates are evil. Offline equivalent is wiping out the entire salesman industry for being 'leeches'. Too many cunts at G now, when they were a SE they were fantastic. Now they are 'insert whatever the fuck they are, because I don't think anyone even knows', they are shit.

. .. .

Total and utter shit.

Sooner all their serps are full of shitty off topic results like this, and everyone switches, the better.

This, I already switched. Fuck them. :321GFY

signupdamnit 06-28-2013 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19691336)
...that weren't getting traffic anyway, so not resource heavy. And the drop in porn on blogger will be like taking a cup of water out of a bathtub.

Google hates affiliates, end of. They don't see affiliates as being of service to sponsors - they are too utopian and believe affiliates are evil. Offline equivalent is wiping out the entire salesman industry for being 'leeches'. Too many cunts at G now, when they were a SE they were fantastic. Now they are 'insert whatever the fuck they are, because I don't think anyone even knows', they are shit.

How's this for serps, after all the 'great work' they've done over the years, for someone trying to sell a phone in the Ripley area:

https://www.google.com/search?as_q=s...=&as_rig hts=

be more specific with 'sell my phone ripley':
https://www.google.com/search?num=10...rp.rskEH148vQQ

Total and utter shit.

Sooner all their serps are full of shitty off topic results like this, and everyone switches, the better.

Even the traffic generated from the jokers registering all the splogs and initially seeding them would be significant. I recall people here and elsewhere speaking of creating thousands of blogs per day from different IPs. Multiply that by a 1,000 every daily for a year and it's pretty crazy. I have a couple sites which feel the effects of that crap too. On one smaller site I get over 8,000 spammers trying to register on it every month. It's a pain in the ass and a huge waste of resources. I can imagine how Google feels. Then they have to index it and deal with it on the search side as well. So they were funding and providing for their own hassles basically.

I totally agree about them hating affiliates. That's been known for years.

Robbie 06-28-2013 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19691318)
But maybe some DO stay on tubes for an hour, fucking around....but how many losers like that are there in the world? Oh wait....LOL

To watch a full scene vid on Pornhub can run around 30 minutes.

I can't imagine anyone sitting on a blog reading stuff that long ever. Then as more and more traffic comes to a site like Pornhub (in the millions) it becomes a big self SEO generating monster.

Meanwhile, you're little blog with 100 people looking at it for a few seconds simply won't even register on the needle comparatively no matter how much SEO you do.

I profited off of this very same thing back when TGP's were big. I remember looking at my server stats on Ampland back in 2006 and we were getting around 100,000 uniques a day just from Google. Of course we already had over a million uniques a day of people who had us bookmarked.

Our traffic just grew and grew and grew and our Search Engine placements were at the top. I never did shit for SEO for it...it was just natural (the site was categorized, I wrote original humor text for it everyday, etc.).
Plenty of other sites did all kinds of SEO stuff...but we stayed at the top. Couldn't be beat. Just like the tubes do now.

No porn site holds people for time-on-site like a tube. It's not even close. And the tubes that hit big in the beginning are the ones who stay on top because as I said it becomes a self-perpetuating machine with amount of traffic and time-on-site.

rogueteens 06-28-2013 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by baggg (Post 19691328)
That will never happen :2 cents:
1/3+ of their searches is porn related,if Joe Avarage cant find his "blonde teen double penetrated" video in google he will go and use bing,for everything and google will loose millions of visitors/day

you missed my point, if google drop porn sites down the rankings then many of them will go out of business (which we have all seen and is happening daily since panda), this means that google has less porn sites to scan - less sites they do not make money off taking up bot resourses

slavdogg 06-28-2013 02:30 PM

if you have an exit link on your site, change that from google to bing.com
Educate your surfers about using Bing instead of google
there is only one way to counter google porn bullshit, get surfers to use Bing vs google

signupdamnit 06-28-2013 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19691304)
As far as Google goes, it's simple.

They seem to be looking at time on the site. A blog can not compete with a tube in that arena.

If a guy watches a couple of vids on a tube site he might be there an hour on the site. No way that anybody is gonna read a blog for an hour.

That's why tubes are all at the top.

Yeah, Pornhub can claim that they have SEO "geniuses" working for them.
But Google makes decisions about the relative importance of a site via the tags and text. We all use that...but then they look at how long a surfer stays on that particular site.

If they are only on your site a minute of two then you are ranked in that level of importance.
However if people are staying on a site for a long time then guess what? All things being equal...Google will go with the site that keeps the surfer longer.

Agree. It seems a weakness in the algorithms. They seem to favor a surfer watching a video with a crappy 30 second pre-roll commercial and then 3 minutes of a crappy video before leaving over a surfer clicking five pages deep on a blog in two minutes to view the photos. Their metrics are fundamentally imperfect (it's not possible to perfect them with current technology) and they appear to overvalue TOS. I know for a fact many people are sick and tired of the porn video content. I know I get sick of searching for a certain fetish and always getting a bunch of pirate tubes, youtube, and daily motion videos on the first couple pages.

hotbrazil 06-28-2013 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19691380)
I know I get sick of searching for a certain fetish and always getting a bunch of pirate tubes, youtube, and daily motion videos on the first couple pages.

Now you said it all. We are looking for information on a new pornstar or web starlet and we just find tubes with videos that sometimes not even have their pornstar on them, then you have to go 2 or 3 pages sometimes to get any info on the personality you are interested in like a biography for example or places where this one worked for, scenes and dvds this one did or an official website. It's outrageous.

Fat Panda 06-28-2013 02:48 PM

rofl

today while freeloaders complain about losing free shit i launched 6 more sites

enjoy the welfare line

:1orglaugh

Jel 06-28-2013 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SAC (Post 19691415)
rofl

today while freeloaders complain about losing free shit i launched 6 more sites

enjoy the welfare line

:1orglaugh

Are you permanently high/drunk? What paysites are you doing 1:200 with these days btw?

Fat Panda 06-28-2013 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19691419)
Are you permanently high/drunk? What paysites are you doing 1:200 with these days btw?

rofl 1:200

id be really high then

Jel 06-28-2013 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SAC (Post 19691442)
rofl 1:200

id be really high then

ok I'll wait until the next time you do, you won't be able to resist posting in every thread which site it is :thumbsup

_Richard_ 06-28-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SAC (Post 19691442)
rofl 1:200

id be really high then

a reason to come to amsterdam? :thumbsup:pimp

i got spots to fill :winkwink:

Bman 06-28-2013 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19691145)
Some food for thought... there was a time when all you talked about was what was going right. Now? Not so much.

Nothing against the op but I think for some reason that is the regular life cycle for somebody in the industry...at least to me.
I think thats why so many "porn" companies end up going in other directions..ie tubes, cams, software, feeds, dmca services, videogames, consulting....what do you think?

alias 06-28-2013 05:21 PM

I'm using duck duck go because it isn't tracked: https://duckduckgo.com/ :pimp

mikesouth 06-28-2013 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19691166)
Someone from Google recently said this to me.

"The adult industry lives inside a fishbowl that is made of clear glass and everyone can see inside that fishbowl and many average people think the fish is ugly."

I LOVE THAT!

genius

adult-help 06-28-2013 07:05 PM

they cant really monetize it with their adsesne etc...

xNetworx 06-28-2013 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19691166)
Someone from Google recently said this to me.

"The adult industry lives inside a fishbowl that is made of clear glass and everyone can see inside that fishbowl and many average people think the fish is ugly."

How the fuck does that guy know what everybody thinks. The nerds at google are ugly :1orglaugh

The Porn Nerd 06-28-2013 10:44 PM

Google has gotten too big for its' cyber-britches bitches.
I LOVE the idea of directing Exit traffic from paysite tours to Bing instead of Google.

For the first time in my GFY history:

LINKS PULLED!!
:)

GregE 06-28-2013 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by slavdogg (Post 19691375)
if you have an exit link on your site, change that from google to bing.com
Educate your surfers about using Bing instead of google
there is only one way to counter google porn bullshit, get surfers to use Bing vs google

Good idea. For whatever good it'll do, I just did so :thumbsup

slavdogg 06-28-2013 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GregE (Post 19691871)
Good idea. For whatever good it'll do, I just did so :thumbsup


i've been following google for few years now
whenever a search term stopped showing adult results, search volumes tank over time.
THey never go away but they go down quiet a bit.

Now that traffic goes somewhere. Users either try new search terms or they go to bing.
Bing's traffic has been growing ever since they became adult friendly.
I believe on the backs of adult searches bing is picking up tiny bits of market share from google

AdultKing 06-28-2013 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by slavdogg (Post 19691881)
Now that traffic goes somewhere. Users either try new search terms or they go to bing.
Bing's traffic has been growing ever since they became adult friendly.
I believe on the backs of adult searches bing is picking up tiny bits of market share from google

Don't think for a moment Bing is "adult friendly".

They just haven't gotten around to cleansing the product yet. I believe with the introduction of the XBox One that you will find Bing start leaning toward being a family friendly product.

The fact is that none of the big corporates like adult, they would prefer it wasn't there.

MainstreamGuy 06-28-2013 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19691134)

And another (damn) thing: with all this Google hate towards blogs, sites, etc, how come tubes still rule the day on Google? Why don't they do something about all this FREE PORN everywhere?

Google seems to hate anyone making MONEY with porn (don't monetize those adult blogs dammit!) yet they give love to tubes, tubes, tubes, where everything's free and readily available, even to minors and children.


That's a good question that remains un-answered.

Obviously Time on Site is not the answer, but something else we still don't know about.

Captain Kawaii 06-28-2013 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19691166)
Someone from Google recently said this to me.

"The adult industry lives inside a fishbowl that is made of clear glass and everyone can see inside that fishbowl and many average people think the fish is ugly."

QFT - :thumbsup - They monitor enough peoples communications and traffic flows. They must have some data to back that up.

MainstreamGuy 06-29-2013 12:01 AM

Time on Site is not the only answer about the Adult Tubes question.

I have seen some search results for adult terms, where 15 out of the first 30 results in google are PURE Tumblr Blogs... And no.. the other 15 are not all tubes.

SO, how do you explain that? And don't tell me because it's tumblr... We are talking about blogs overtaking tubes for some SERPS...

signupdamnit 06-29-2013 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MainstreamGuy (Post 19691924)
Time on Site is not the only answer about the Adult Tubes question.

I have seen some search results for adult terms, where 15 out of the first 30 results in google are PURE Tumblr Blogs... And no.. the other 15 are not all tubes.

SO, how do you explain that? And don't tell me because it's tumblr... We are talking about blogs overtaking tubes for some SERPS...

It's Tumblr. ;) Seriously though TOS obviously isn't the only factor used. I would also hope that TOS and bounce rate is tracked individually per terms or phrase. So a photo blog might have different TOS values for "teen porn" versus "teen porn pics" where with the latter we would expect slightly better numbers. Then you would expect for some terms blogs would rank better than tubes.

Nobody knows for sure what Google does other than Google. But to a degree we can figure some things out by trying to reverse it by looking at the rankings and attempting to put ourselves in Google's shoes while considering how we would solve certain problems they must face.

slavdogg 06-29-2013 06:02 AM

everytime google makes a change, youtube's traffic goes up.
just look at this shit, this is where a ton of porn traffic from google is now going
https://app.compete.com/website/youtube.com/

itx 06-29-2013 07:52 AM

Google is now sending a lot of porn traffic to YouTube, in the end the users doesn't get what they want, just shitty videos.

DamianJ 06-29-2013 07:56 AM

Shared hosting on any major host with unlimited WP installs will run you about $5 a month. If you can't afford that, go back to Macdonalds, bitches.

Why people build up cash driving sources on free platforms is something I'll never really understand.

http://www.wpbeginner.com/wp-tutoria...ogle-rankings/

Fat Panda 06-29-2013 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 19692244)
Shared hosting on any major host with unlimited WP installs will run you about $5 a month. If you can't afford that, go back to Macdonalds, bitches.

Why people build up cash driving sources on free platforms is something I'll never really understand.

http://www.wpbeginner.com/wp-tutoria...ogle-rankings/

thats just it its the worthless free host freeloading parasites that fuck over everyone filling 1000000s of spam blogs with plugrush and other shit ads

its time productive value adding people castrate these worthless freeloading free riding parasites for good!

The Porn Nerd 06-29-2013 09:46 AM

The problem with online porn is that there is so much SPAM and so many shitty sites churned out by bots and scripts. Think about some dude in eastern bumfuck. He doesn't give a FUCK about SHIT cause he's living in dirt with shit and pigs and chickens - and a WiFi connection. LOL So he overloads whatever he can with thousands and thousands of shit sites that earn him a whopping $40 a month BUT he can live like a KING for $40 a month because his neighbors make $2 a year.

Deal with THAT somehow Google!

Trend 06-29-2013 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19691134)
Penguin, Panda, deleting adult blogs (better not MONETIZE those adult blogs people!!), WTF?

Why does Google hate porn? And a better question(s) may be: how does this affect those that rely mostly on the SEO game?

think about it: you spend months (years?) building blogs, trying to get your site a nice PR1 or 2, you're competing again GIANT companies with in-house SEO staffs constantly trying to put their tubes on top....is all that effort now wasted?

And another (damn) thing: with all this Google hate towards blogs, sites, etc, how come tubes still rule the day on Google? Why don't they do something about all this FREE PORN everywhere?

Google seems to hate anyone making MONEY with porn (don't monetize those adult blogs dammit!) yet they give love to tubes, tubes, tubes, where everything's free and readily available, even to minors and children.

So what now? All this seems to accomplish is futher fucking the little Webmasters/companies, letting the "big boys" do whatever the fuck they want.


After reading threads this week I'm convinced that "Google" reads GFY and that's why they hate porn. :winkwink:

shimmy2 06-29-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19692340)
Think about some dude in eastern bumfuck. He doesn't give a FUCK about SHIT cause he's living in dirt with shit and pigs and chickens - and a WiFi connection. LOL So he overloads whatever he can with thousands and thousands of shit sites that earn him a whopping $40 a month BUT he can live like a KING for $40 a month because his neighbors make $2 a year.

not far from the truth. eastern bumfuck rocks

Jel 06-29-2013 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19692340)
The problem with online porn is that there is so much SPAM and so many shitty sites churned out by bots and scripts. Think about some dude in eastern bumfuck. He doesn't give a FUCK about SHIT cause he's living in dirt with shit and pigs and chickens - and a WiFi connection. LOL So he overloads whatever he can with thousands and thousands of shit sites that earn him a whopping $40 a month BUT he can live like a KING for $40 a month because his neighbors make $2 a year.

Deal with THAT somehow Google!

Thy don't care about that, they couldn't give a shit. All they care about is that someone is making money as an affiliate, and they hate that. Primary producer is king. It's such an easy workaround anyway. If you can't use affiliate links, you can use....?

Jel 06-29-2013 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SAC (Post 19692279)
thats just it its the worthless free host freeloading parasites that fuck over everyone filling 1000000s of spam blogs with plugrush and other shit ads

its time productive value adding people castrate these worthless freeloading free riding parasites for good!

You are so stupid it must hurt :1orglaugh

The Porn Nerd 06-29-2013 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19692465)
Thy don't care about that, they couldn't give a shit. All they care about is that someone is making money as an affiliate, and they hate that. Primary producer is king. It's such an easy workaround anyway. If you can't use affiliate links, you can use....?

Well, to be more accurate, Google seems to hate certain KINDS of affiliates. Affiliates like PornHub, XHamster etc they seem to LOVE!

Of course, those videos would be there even if they weren't affiliates so I get your point. It's not right. Fuck, even when you search for a site's NAME it can come up on the 3rd page or worse with tubes and such on top of it. WTF???

Jel 06-29-2013 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19692587)
Well, to be more accurate, Google seems to hate certain KINDS of affiliates. Affiliates like PornHub, XHamster etc they seem to LOVE!

Of course, those videos would be there even if they weren't affiliates so I get your point. It's not right. Fuck, even when you search for a site's NAME it can come up on the 3rd page or worse with tubes and such on top of it. WTF???

yup. End product, and google loves to serve the end product, because it's what the surfer wants. If you could physically give away BMWs, and did, you'd be sitting pretty in the serps for all the car manufacturer words/phrases going.

Roald 06-29-2013 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19692615)
yup. End product, and google loves to serve the end product, because it's what the surfer wants. If you could physically give away BMWs, and did, you'd be sitting pretty in the serps for all the car manufacturer words/phrases going.

This.

:2 cents:


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