Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19695718)

https://renaissanceronin.files.wordp...red-fl-boy.jpg

Zimmerman sees a "suspicious" African American is his neighborhood, and calls the police department.

"This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about" and "looking at all the houses".

So what actual criminal act(s) did Zimmerman observe?

According to a police report, "there is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter".

So you have a guy with a gun following/stalking an unarmed person for no reason other than his own biases and suspicions.

During the conversation, the dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was (still) following Martin. When Zimmerman answered, "yeah," the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman responded, "Okay."

After Zimmerman ended this call with the police department dispatcher, a violent encounter took place between Martin and Zimmerman, which ended when Zimmerman fatally shot Martin 70 yards from the rear door of the townhouse where Martin was staying.

I don't condone Martin giving Zimmerman a beat down, although I would say that if anyone was doing anything to provoke a fight, it was Zimmerman, by making it apparent to Martin that he was being followed by someone in a threatening manner.

Odd as it might sound to some, I can actually see Martin's reaction as defending himself from a perceived aggressor, and that he was possibly "standing his ground", which is a bit ironic, considering that is Zimmerman's defense.

In the end, Zimmerman decided to pull out his gun and fire it point blank at Martin, killing him. Zimmerman unnecessarily put himself into that situation, and his actions unfortunately led to the murder of another man.

There were no life threatening injuries to Zimmerman.

I wonder what the debate would have sounded or how the trial would have gone had Martin killed Zimmerman instead of bloodying him up a little?

Martin: "This guy was following me around, and trying to make it obvious that he was stalking me and trying to intimidate me. I tried to lose him, but still he came after me. Finally, fearing for my life, I took the offensive and engaged Zimmerman in a fist fight."

Of course, as with most fist fights, George Zimmerman probably would have lived to testify against Martin for assault. Just like the current case, it probably could have gone either way.

The one known undisputed fact is that George Zimmerman followed an unarmed man, and then killed that unarmed man with a gun, who had not committed any crime.

Be interesting to see how the jury decides, and how the public reacts. :2 cents:

:stoned

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19695718)

https://renaissanceronin.files.wordp...red-fl-boy.jpg

Zimmerman sees a "suspicious" African American is his neighborhood, and calls the police department.

"This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about" and "looking at all the houses".

So what actual criminal act(s) did Zimmerman observe?

According to a police report, "there is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter".

So you have a guy with a gun following/stalking an unarmed person for no reason other than his own biases and suspicions.

During the conversation, the dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was (still) following Martin. When Zimmerman answered, "yeah," the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman responded, "Okay."

After Zimmerman ended this call with the police department dispatcher, a violent encounter took place between Martin and Zimmerman, which ended when Zimmerman fatally shot Martin 70 yards from the rear door of the townhouse where Martin was staying.

I don't condone Martin giving Zimmerman a beat down, although I would say that if anyone was doing anything to provoke a fight, it was Zimmerman, by making it apparent to Martin that he was being followed by someone in a threatening manner.

Odd as it might sound to some, I can actually see Martin's reaction as defending himself from a perceived aggressor, and that he was possibly "standing his ground", which is a bit ironic, considering that is Zimmerman's defense.

In the end, Zimmerman decided to pull out his gun and fire it point blank at Martin, killing him. Zimmerman unnecessarily put himself into that situation, and his actions unfortunately led to the murder of another man.

There were no life threatening injuries to Zimmerman.

I wonder what the debate would have sounded or how the trial would have gone had Martin killed Zimmerman instead of bloodying him up a little?

Martin: "This guy was following me around, and trying to make it obvious that he was stalking me and trying to intimidate me. I tried to lose him, but still he came after me. Finally, fearing for my life, I took the offensive and engaged Zimmerman in a fist fight."

Of course, as with most fist fights, George Zimmerman probably would have lived to testify against Martin for assault. Just like the current case, it probably could have gone either way.

The one known undisputed fact is that George Zimmerman followed an unarmed man, and then killed that unarmed man with a gun, who had not committed any crime.

Be interesting to see how the jury decides, and how the public reacts. :2 cents:

:stoned

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 19695731)

The events as outlined by you are not correct according to the evidence presented by the prosecution.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19695722)

#1, GZ is not using the Stand Your Ground defense so your graphic makes zero sense.
#2, It was raining out. Martin was not walking on the sidewalk, but rather up on the lawns. He did not look like he was trying to rush home to get out of the rain, he did not look like some athlete that trains rain or shine. The house he was checking out had been burglarized in the past.

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19695745)

I stand corrected on #1, Zimmerman ultimately opted to not use Stand Your Ground, he is simply claiming that he killed a teenager in self-defense.

Now that I read up quickly on Stand Your Ground, I doubt that Zimmerman could have won with that anyway, since he was not near his own domicile, and he was the aggressor up until the fist fight started.

Your point #2 is simply what Zimmerman said he observed, based upon his own biases, and is not as much fact as speculation.

Even in the worst case scenario that Zimmerman imagined, that Martin was "casing the joint", that in and of itself is still not a crime, and a cell phone photo of the suspect would have been all the action that was required by Zimmerman to document the event.

The fact remains, that Zimmerman was told that he didn't need to follow Martin, but he still did (probably because he felt somewhat secure with a loaded gun in his pocket).

Tell me, what would you do if your teenage son/daughter was apparently being stalked by an adult (not a cop), and your teenager tried to defend himself from what they thought was an imminent threat, but then the person pulled out a gun and shot them?

How would that sit with you if it was your child?

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19695745)

I stand corrected on #1, Zimmerman ultimately opted to not use Stand Your Ground, he is simply claiming that he killed a teenager in self-defense.

Now that I read up quickly on Stand Your Ground, I doubt that Zimmerman could have won with that anyway, since he was not near his own domicile, and he was the aggressor up until the fist fight started.

Your point #2 is simply what Zimmerman said he observed, based upon his own biases, and is not as much fact as speculation.

Even in the worst case scenario that Zimmerman imagined, that Martin was "casing the joint", that in and of itself is still not a crime, and a cell phone photo of the suspect would have been all the action that was required by Zimmerman to document the event.

The fact remains, that Zimmerman was told that he didn't need to follow Martin, but he still did (probably because he felt somewhat secure with a loaded gun in his pocket).

Tell me, what would you do if your teenage son/daughter was apparently being stalked by an adult (not a cop), and your teenager tried to defend himself from what they thought was an imminent threat, but then the person pulled out a gun and shot them?

How would that sit with you if it was your child?

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Originally Posted by theTROLL (Post 19695751)

You clearly have not been watching the trial and are just trolling.

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19695745)

Tell me, what would you do if your teenage son/daughter was not doing anything criminal, but was still apparently being stalked by an adult (not a cop), and your teenager tried to defend himself from what they thought was an imminent threat, and then the person pulled out a gun and shot them?

How would that sit with you if it was your child?

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19695739)

Facts just get in the way; it doesn't matter who presents them.

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19695769)

Says the resident troll. Remind us what you do in the industry besides claim to not be Pathfinder? :1orglaugh

Oh, and you didn't answer my hypothetical question with your troll response. :2 cents:

Let's try again:



http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibti...da-shootin.jpg

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19695769)

Says the resident troll. Remind us what you do in the industry besides claim to not be Pathfinder? :1orglaugh

Oh, and you didn't answer my hypothetical question with your troll response. :2 cents:

Let's try again:



http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibti...da-shootin.jpg

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19695772)

so if it's said in court it's a fact? :1orglaugh im not going to argue with you. going back and forth here does nothing. anyway you see it zimmerman is fucked. prison or the streets :2 cents:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19695762)

That's the thing, my child isn't the type to go strolling around on dark, rainy nights going between the homes of strangers, so this will never be an issue.

The problem is that you are :stoned and you are uninformed; that is painfully obvious. I know you are an intelligent person, that is why I know you are not listening to the trial. Stop reading someone's version of how they saw it, put on the stream on a tab in the background and listen. That is all it takes . . . to listen. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19695804)

Not stoned at the moment, but thanks for stating that I am, since it demonstrates how "highly" you regard facts. :upsidedow

Listen to you, "homes of strangers".

If you follow the path that Martin followed, he went to a convenience store in the neighborhood, and was heading towards the house where he was living until he was killed (about 60 years from his doorstep).

https://witwisdom.files.wordpress.co...end-scene1.jpg

Apparently, Martin was a neighbor of Zimmerman too, but the off-duty (that night) neighborhood watch captain with a gun, was unaware that the person he was stalking had a legitimate right and reason to be there, and since he didn't know, he took matters into his own hands which led directly to the murder of another person.

Oh well, I guess to some Trayvon Martin deserved to die at the hands of an overzealous wannabe cop simply for walking around in the neighborhood where he was living (especially since it was night and raining, and he was not on a sidewalk). :upsidedow

EDIT: Not sure why you chose to post my name when you know I do not use it on GFY. I thought you were a better person than that. :2 cents:

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19695769)

Says the resident troll. Remind us what you do in the industry besides claim to not be Pathfinder? :1orglaugh

Oh, and you didn't answer my hypothetical question with your troll response. :2 cents:

Let's try again:



http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibti...da-shootin.jpg

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19695415)

he was so scared he jumped out to chase the kid. most people in fear would leave.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19695722)

#2, Martin was not walking on the sidewalk, but rather up on the lawns. He did not look like he was trying to rush home to get out of the rain, he did not look like some athlete that trains rain or shine. The house he was checking out had been burglarized in the past.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19695739)

Facts just get in the way; it doesn't matter who presents them.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19695466)

Heroes that stand up against useless to society criminals. Of course shooting them is not suggested, but it was not like he was intending to shoot this thug, it just happened.

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19695718)

https://renaissanceronin.files.wordp...red-fl-boy.jpg

Zimmerman sees a "suspicious" African American is his neighborhood, and calls the police department.

"This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about" and "looking at all the houses".

So what actual criminal act(s) did Zimmerman observe?

According to a police report, "there is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter".

So you have a guy with a gun following/stalking an unarmed person for no reason other than his own biases and suspicions.

During the conversation, the dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was (still) following Martin. When Zimmerman answered, "yeah," the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman responded, "Okay."

After Zimmerman ended this call with the police department dispatcher, a violent encounter took place between Martin and Zimmerman, which ended when Zimmerman fatally shot Martin 70 yards from the rear door of the townhouse where Martin was staying.

I don't condone Martin giving Zimmerman a beat down, although I would say that if anyone was doing anything to provoke a fight, it was Zimmerman, by making it apparent to Martin that he was being followed by someone in a threatening manner.

Odd as it might sound to some, I can actually see Martin's reaction as defending himself from a perceived aggressor, and that he was possibly "standing his ground", which is a bit ironic, considering that is Zimmerman's defense.

In the end, Zimmerman decided to pull out his gun and fire it point blank at Martin, killing him. Zimmerman unnecessarily put himself into that situation, and his actions unfortunately led to the murder of another man.

There were no life threatening injuries to Zimmerman.

I wonder what the debate would have sounded or how the trial would have gone had Martin killed Zimmerman instead of bloodying him up a little?

Martin: "This guy was following me around, and trying to make it obvious that he was stalking me and trying to intimidate me. I tried to lose him, but still he came after me. Finally, fearing for my life, I took the offensive and engaged Zimmerman in a fist fight."

Of course, as with most fist fights, George Zimmerman probably would have lived to testify against Martin for assault. Just like the current case, it probably could have gone either way.

The one known undisputed fact is that George Zimmerman followed an unarmed man, and then killed that unarmed man with a gun, who had not committed any crime.

Be interesting to see how the jury decides, and how the public reacts. :2 cents:

:stoned

ADG

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19695721)

What adds up is that you are reading someone's slant on it rather than listening yourself. Under cross-examination both cops said it is normal for there to be variations in recollections because "we are not robots" and that he would be pretty suspicious of someone that had their story down that concise. The cops words, not mine. He also said he believed Zimmerman was telling the truth.

BTW, you can not see the back of his head in that photo, can you?

Oh yeah, at one point when they were interviewing GZ they told him that the building across the street had just installed some surveillance cams that were in color, hi-def with night vision, in hopes it would make him spill his guts if he thought it was on video. GZ's response was something like, "Thank God." He hoped the cameras were on. Again, the cops, all the cops, believed him.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19695422)

We need more people like Zimmerman, who are not afraid to stand up against criminals and thugs that are roaming some neighborhoods.

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19695718)

In the end, Zimmerman decided to pull out his gun and fire it point blank at Martin, killing him. Zimmerman unnecessarily put himself into that situation, and his actions unfortunately led to the murder of another man.

There were no life threatening injuries to Zimmerman.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19698761)

Another statement was yesterday had the same officer saying "He's either being completely truthful or he is a pathological liar". This was in court while under oath. Doesn't sound to me like the office completely believes him.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19698989)

The problem is, you completely ignored the question that was asked when he said that. And you missed the followup question where the cop said he believed him.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19698989)

The problem is, you completely ignored the question that was asked when he said that. And you missed the followup question where the cop said he believed him.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19699096)

Your right Baddog, let's examine this line of questioning a lot closer. Seems to be a big discussion this morning.

Serino said Zimmemran had to be either a pathological liar or telling the truth.

"If we were to take pathological liar off the table?do you think he was telling the truth?" asked defense attorney Mark O'Mara.

"Yes," responded Serino.

(source)

So the officer never said "I believe Zimmerman is telling the truth". The offer was responding to the question of "If we take pathological liar off the table, do you think Zimmerman was telling the truth?".

Seems it was just stricken from the record this morning.

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19699835)

why do you hate whitey?

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19699096)

Your right Baddog, let's examine this line of questioning a lot closer. Seems to be a big discussion this morning.

Serino said Zimmemran had to be either a pathological liar or telling the truth.

"If we were to take pathological liar off the table?do you think he was telling the truth?" asked defense attorney Mark O'Mara.

"Yes," responded Serino.

(source)

So the officer never said "I believe Zimmerman is telling the truth". The offer was responding to the question of "If we take pathological liar off the table, do you think Zimmerman was telling the truth?".

Seems it was just stricken from the record this morning.

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19699835)

why do you hate whitey?

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19699925)

Whitey is a fucking cracker!

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19699843)

who's whitey? :helpme

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19699896)

I am not sure how many times I am going to have to say stop READING what someone says happened and LISTEN to what was said exactly. But as you said, the jury was told this morning to disregard the statement. What has been seen cannot be unseen.

And I have not heard any testimony that is was 25-30 times. Who said that?

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19699925)

Whitey is a fucking crackerjack!

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19699930)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh



apparently everyone who's happy there is one less 'black thug' to deal with :disgust

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19699965)

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh




yeah but when their kids are on meth and do something bad they're not called a thug or ghetto their just called a junkie :2 cents: