Why? people are recommending a obliviously novice user to pump his body with hgh and steroids and I shouldent call them a fucking idiot? Please... only serious people who actually compete in anything worthwhile are being monitored by a doctor. I can see you actually have a "clue" in the discussion. But you must admit no one seeks help from doctor. We are not talking about a serious athlete here.

Naked? :winkwink:

No seriously ... I'm not going to post a picture.
Why should I do that? I don't have to prove anything to anyone.

If we ever cross somewhere (at a convention or wherever) ...
then I don't care. Then you'll notice anyway.

I don't train for others, I train for myself.
Also I'm only190 pounds (ripped - and bit more in bulk) not 300 pounds :winkwink:

I'm not Ronnie Coleman and I'll never will lol

this is not true. i was under the medical supervision of a socal hormone doctor, and was prescribed hgh for ~1 year. it helped but not anywhere near greek god level.

And if they said... dude go see a doctor and see if you have low T then I would have nothing to say. But HGH is fucking dangerous. I don't care what opinion you or other have.

you see... you fucking GFY doctors fuck off. You have no clue.

You have yet to prove it with fact. You're just talking shit. It's widely used. It's regularly prescribed - even to children.

How much / day were you injecting?

Ahh.. i forgot you were the nutjob that got so hostile in defense of zoo/cp spam.

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19597777&postcount=21

Are you an doctor?

Didn't think so. So shut the fuck up.

Its usually around 1 i.u. (a little over) per day, 5/6 days a week.

vs. say the 5 -10 i.u.'s per day someone like a pro bodybuilder would take.

You post like you know a lot. I was interested to see if it was just all talk.

Just post a pic of your body and paint over the face.

i actually don't recall, this was 5 years ago, i was also prescribed testosterone, which i continued to use after the 1 year.

my case may be out of the ordinary, due to my insulin issues and the requirement that hormones all work together. but i have read other's experiences with gh and many don't have the greek god results.

maybe the squealer can chime in here with his experience.

Soon the GFY doctors will chime in... Well dyna mo.. you dident take enough! Yeah because he was under the correct supervision and took it according. And if he did before he realizes his jaw bone out grew his upper jawbone making him look like a freak.

Well it takes a lot more time (and harder training) for me to make the same progress as a 24 y.o.

I do a lot of triple sets ... at least a couple times a week.

For example I do 2 tripple-sets back (2 x 3 exercises - 4 sets - 8 to 12 reps) and 2 triplle-sets shoulders. (2 x 3 exercises - 4 sets - 8 to 12 reps). All heavy weights.

I only take resttime between the triplesets not in the triplleset.

Then the ship has landed mate :)


Also I look at least 10 years younger then I am.


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1UI a day won't make any difference, correct.

For a regular joe a basic supplement dose would be 2ui-4ui on a 5/7 per week.

Pro bodybuilders start from 8ui/day and up to 15.

Beer??

http://cdn2.modernman.com/wp-content...12/beer510.jpg

Because it is prescribed with people who have a LEGIT MEDICAL CONDITION!
Why is it so difficult for you to actually grasp this?
Children are prescribed this because they have growth hormone (GH) deficiency you fucking idiot. Its official.. You are truly the GFY idiot of all time.

LOL :winkwink:

i.u.'s are based on the product. I've never heard of any HGH taken daily by prescription for supplemental reasons in that high of a dose... but its been a while since i had a prescription so i am probably off. I used to take one type (it was made by Lilly), then went to Serostim when it came out. I think i was always sticking to 1.5-ish, 6 days a week. All this was back though when it cost $1000.00 per month, of course now there are many products and its much cheaper.

i do know that i was not willing to go out of bounds of what the doctor prescribed and he saw i was in very good shape and i also told him i am looking to gain. so i am pretty sure he maxed my dosages to the level he felt safe and it was gh bought through his pharmacy so he was getting a big cut of the gh too and could have dosed me higher but didn't.

Are you angry because you are stupid? Or stupid because you are angry? As someone once said "strong emotion is the enemy of reason". You have a lot of it... no reason to expect you to be reasonable.

My point... is that its widely used. More so that you seem to be aware of.

Anyway, you were much cuter when you were defending the bestiality and CP spam. Here, you're clearly talking out of your ass.

Actually, I'm quite aware on how much HGH is abused. I'm simply pointing out that idiots (yourself) claim its the miracle drug and will change your life that this is not the case.
Sure.. this ill help you in the gym. But in the long run when your body gives out and you have cancer in more places then usual you will ask yourself (why the fuck did I do that)
You will see. Their is a reason why its a PRESCRIBED drug you fucking idiot. Its to prevent idiots like you from self destruction.

I didn't make any claims whatsoever. You are just making things up.

And you obviously know nothing about it if you believe there are no positive health benefits to using HGH or that its primary use is "in the gym" - which it isn't.

I'm well aware of the other "health" benefits jackass. I'm making a point of the "RISKS".
Is it me or only idiots like yourself think about this? When your older you will see all the new problems you have now inherited because of your idiotic thinking. Before you know it you will have cancers you never dreamed could happen. Good luck in the gym steroid boy.

I'm going to take drugs because they also prescribe them to kids! You are beyond stupid dude.

I started lifting at 51, I'm almost 53 now. I could barely do 135x10 bench press when I started and can now almost double that. I took protein and creatine for a while, but don't any more. I built my own gym in the basement with used stuff off of Craigslist and lift about 5 or 6 times a week. I like to watch ballgames and movies while I lift, makes me forget how much I'm suffering. I thought about steroids, but I'm too stupid and lazy to read up on them and don't feel I should do them unless I know what harm, if any, they can cause. I have lost 30 or 40 pounds and feel I have picked up at least 10 or 15 pounds of muscle. If I can lose weight and gain muscle and strength anyone can.

quoted for inspiration!

About the only worthy post made in this thread. fucking sad

Dude, steroids can and will give you incredible gains. It can change your life.. but in many ways. All these idiots here focus on short time gains. Yeah.. You can tipple your bench in 2 months. And HGH can do much the same for you.. but with great risks. It is a know fact this shit can and does cause cancer along with many other problems. If you made the gains stated above then pat yourself on your back. You dont need any of the shit discussed here. Sometimes stupidity can be a good thing.

just a caveat or 2, you are prolly right that anyone can,except if there are any prevailing medical issues, which aren't uncommon in our age bracket.

and the other is i would guess you haven't had any serious training injuries? pushing too hard, or even being careless, can lead to an injury that shuts down your entire training program.

another success story!

I doubt that. The usual candidate for pushing yourself too hard is users that think they
are god and can lift the world and have more muscle mass tendons (or brains) can handle.

I can use a couple new elbows. Last 12 months suffered a Golfer's elbow.
Allmost healed now. And now my other elbow hurts when twisting ...

It sucks

I have had a few minor injuries, namely a bad shoulder that I didn't have before. I used to get sore as hell and wanna stop after every workout, but now I find it hard to get anything but my legs sore. I feel I am lucky because I will be 53 soon and have zero medical problems. I take no medications and wish to keep it that way. Besides, I can't see spending all that dinero for roids and you don't even get high, fuck that!

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Question for Monkey, Phil , Forest, Dynamo and Wilbo... I would like to know how do you guys maintain the drive to get your ass out of bed everyday and go at it hard in the gym? I tip my hat every time I see an older dude getting his workout on, it's a very impressive work ethic these days. :thumbsup

Question for Monkey, Phil , Forest, Dynamo and Wilbo... I would like to know how do you guys maintain the drive to get your ass out of bed everyday and go at it hard in the gym? I tip my hat every time I see an older dude getting his workout on, it's a very impressive work ethic these days. :thumbsup[/QUOTE]


For me it is just part of my day, a habit. Every night at 7 I go down to the basement and watch the news and lift weights. I feel like a real slug if I don't at least lift for an hour. Once I started to see results it motivated me to no end.

Symptoms of Mid Life Crisis

The following is a list of symptoms that illustrate how defining a mid life crisis is truly relative to the person experiencing the changes.

Looking into the mirror and you no longer recognize yourself.
Desiring to quit a good job.
Unexplained bouts of depression when doing tasks that used to make you happy.
Changing or investigating new religions, churches or new age philosophy.
Change of habits. Activities which used to bring pleasure now are boring. Unable to complete or concentrate on tasks which used to be easy.
It feels good to get hurt.
Wanting to run away from everything.
A desire to get into physical shape.
Irritability or unexpected anger.
Change in allergies.
Desire for physical -Free Flowing- movement (Running, Biking, Dance, Fast red sports cars, Sky diving, etc).
Exploring new musical tastes.
Sudden desire to learn how to play an instrument.
Sudden interest in drawing, painting, writing books or poetry.
Shifting sleep patterns (Typically to less).
Thinking about death, wondering about the nature of death.
Changes to the balance of vitamins you take. Or taking dietary supplements for the purposes of extending life.
Extreme changes to what you eat.
Excessively buying new clothes and taking more time to look good.
Hair changes. (Natural changes in thickness, luster, color or Assisted changes in dying hair suddenly or shaving your head bald)
A desire to surround yourself with different settings.
Hanging out with a different generation as their energy and ideas stimulate you.
Restarting things, which you dropped 20 years earlier.
Upset at where society is going. Experience a desire to change the world for the better.
Feeling trapped or tied down by fiscal responsibilities.
Leaving (Mentally or Physically) family or feeling trapped in current family relationships.
A desire to teach others or become a healer.
Desiring a simple life.
Excessively looking back to one?s childhood.
Playing again just to play!
Keep re-asking yourself: ?Where am I going with my life??
Getting fixated on new ?wonder? solutions to problems.
Recently experiencing something extremely stressful. Stress can trigger a Midlife transformation. Some examples include: Changing Jobs, Divorce, Death of someone close, Chemical/Toxic exposure upon the body or experiencing a major illness.
Doing things that get you into trouble when it surprises everyone as being out of character.
Someone unexpectedly exclaims: ?You are going through a midlife crisis!?

Well honestly ... I'm adicted to it. It is my life.
I can't do without it. I need it. Otherwise I feel bad.

Thats about it.

I'm not even close to that age yet, but it's just like anything else, first couple of weeks are hard, then you start noticing results so you kinda get addicted to it..

I wouldn't do it 7 days a week like these guys though, you will get burned out in no time and give up... 2-3 times per week is more than enough if you are just starting out.... :2 cents:

seems less a 'midlife crisis' and more a desire to live..

You actually do get a boost from steroids. A 45 year old man with test levels of a 18 year old boy. They do get quite the boost.

I take test, hcg and anastrozole. Hcg alone can help as well as clomiphene citrate without steroids or test. Real hcg not the hcg diet crap. Still need a good diet to be lean

HGH is regularly administered by doctors. Claudia Marie's physician prescibed it for her and she gets the prescription from Walgreens.

Don't believe all the bullshit the govt. tells you.

The AMA (american medical association) even told Congress NOT to make steroids illegal but they knee-jerked reacted to football player Lyle Alzado claiming that his brain cancer was caused from steroid use (even though there was zero medical proof of that...just his own guilty conscience and delusions because his brain was half eaten by cancer when he told that to Congress).

Doctors prescribe HGH, testosterone, and anabolic steroids every day of the week.

Of course you can take too much and hurt yourself. But you can do that with anything.
You can die from taking too many aspirin.

Anyway, just wanted to bring out the fact that HGH is an incredible thing. It's been used by Hollywood stars for decades (it was their little "secret" to looking so damn good).
I'm pretty much unaware of anybody ever dying from using HGH.

Read this page and/or google it and educate yourself:
http://voices.yahoo.com/human-growth...ths-46207.html

It blows my mind that modern science has figured out ways to make us all healthier, stronger, and live longer....but the govt. has convinced people that it's all "dangerous" and has no benefits.

And all the while, doctors are helping people by prescribing it every day. Crazy world.

so much crap in this thread

you want to get big, go large and low reps

its called EXCERCISE , do lots and low and do it every fucking day apart from saturday. rotate the body parts and keep upping every week. do that for a year , job done.

its the same as the diet thing, eat less

Works great for guys who are younger.

When you are older and your body's natural testosterone level is the same as an 18 year old girl's...then you need testosterone supplementation and STILL have to excercise. Not the simplistic way you described (would be overtraining)

Instead do a body part a day: Monday = Leg Day | Tuesday = Chest Day | Wed.= OFF | Thurs. = Back Day | Friday = Shoulders Day | Weekend = Off

Remember the workout isn't what makes you big. It's the recovery that does it. You break your muscles down during the workout. They grow back during recovery. If you overtrain, you never give your muscles a chance to grow back stronger.

Anyway...yes, you have to work your ass off in the gym, eat right and once you reach a certain age you will have to supplement your body with testosterone.
Everybody has a slightly different physiology.

Some guys might be just "fine" until they are in their late 40's. Some guys are already showing symptoms of "Low-T" when they are in their mid 30's.
But the good news is...NOBODY has to live like that.

Just get your test levels back up and start feeling good. And then if you want to get ripped...hit the gym and eat right.

How does B12 help?

To the OP:

Do what this guy did - He was 42 when he started.

I heard boot camps work well, but prepare to work really hard.

Well first off im still young :) Being 28 most definitely helps. My ultimate drive is never being satisfied to be completely and totally up front. The day that I get content with my physique and body will be the day I hang up the towel. Don't see that day on the horizon anytime soon :)

http://strengthaddicts.com/Interviews/JohnHansen.html
He is 50 now but he is a genetic freak.