another success story!

I doubt that. The usual candidate for pushing yourself too hard is users that think they
are god and can lift the world and have more muscle mass tendons (or brains) can handle.

I can use a couple new elbows. Last 12 months suffered a Golfer's elbow.
Allmost healed now. And now my other elbow hurts when twisting ...

It sucks

I have had a few minor injuries, namely a bad shoulder that I didn't have before. I used to get sore as hell and wanna stop after every workout, but now I find it hard to get anything but my legs sore. I feel I am lucky because I will be 53 soon and have zero medical problems. I take no medications and wish to keep it that way. Besides, I can't see spending all that dinero for roids and you don't even get high, fuck that!

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Question for Monkey, Phil , Forest, Dynamo and Wilbo... I would like to know how do you guys maintain the drive to get your ass out of bed everyday and go at it hard in the gym? I tip my hat every time I see an older dude getting his workout on, it's a very impressive work ethic these days. :thumbsup

Question for Monkey, Phil , Forest, Dynamo and Wilbo... I would like to know how do you guys maintain the drive to get your ass out of bed everyday and go at it hard in the gym? I tip my hat every time I see an older dude getting his workout on, it's a very impressive work ethic these days. :thumbsup[/QUOTE]


For me it is just part of my day, a habit. Every night at 7 I go down to the basement and watch the news and lift weights. I feel like a real slug if I don't at least lift for an hour. Once I started to see results it motivated me to no end.

Symptoms of Mid Life Crisis

The following is a list of symptoms that illustrate how defining a mid life crisis is truly relative to the person experiencing the changes.

Looking into the mirror and you no longer recognize yourself.
Desiring to quit a good job.
Unexplained bouts of depression when doing tasks that used to make you happy.
Changing or investigating new religions, churches or new age philosophy.
Change of habits. Activities which used to bring pleasure now are boring. Unable to complete or concentrate on tasks which used to be easy.
It feels good to get hurt.
Wanting to run away from everything.
A desire to get into physical shape.
Irritability or unexpected anger.
Change in allergies.
Desire for physical -Free Flowing- movement (Running, Biking, Dance, Fast red sports cars, Sky diving, etc).
Exploring new musical tastes.
Sudden desire to learn how to play an instrument.
Sudden interest in drawing, painting, writing books or poetry.
Shifting sleep patterns (Typically to less).
Thinking about death, wondering about the nature of death.
Changes to the balance of vitamins you take. Or taking dietary supplements for the purposes of extending life.
Extreme changes to what you eat.
Excessively buying new clothes and taking more time to look good.
Hair changes. (Natural changes in thickness, luster, color or Assisted changes in dying hair suddenly or shaving your head bald)
A desire to surround yourself with different settings.
Hanging out with a different generation as their energy and ideas stimulate you.
Restarting things, which you dropped 20 years earlier.
Upset at where society is going. Experience a desire to change the world for the better.
Feeling trapped or tied down by fiscal responsibilities.
Leaving (Mentally or Physically) family or feeling trapped in current family relationships.
A desire to teach others or become a healer.
Desiring a simple life.
Excessively looking back to one?s childhood.
Playing again just to play!
Keep re-asking yourself: ?Where am I going with my life??
Getting fixated on new ?wonder? solutions to problems.
Recently experiencing something extremely stressful. Stress can trigger a Midlife transformation. Some examples include: Changing Jobs, Divorce, Death of someone close, Chemical/Toxic exposure upon the body or experiencing a major illness.
Doing things that get you into trouble when it surprises everyone as being out of character.
Someone unexpectedly exclaims: ?You are going through a midlife crisis!?

Well honestly ... I'm adicted to it. It is my life.
I can't do without it. I need it. Otherwise I feel bad.

Thats about it.

I'm not even close to that age yet, but it's just like anything else, first couple of weeks are hard, then you start noticing results so you kinda get addicted to it..

I wouldn't do it 7 days a week like these guys though, you will get burned out in no time and give up... 2-3 times per week is more than enough if you are just starting out.... :2 cents:

seems less a 'midlife crisis' and more a desire to live..

You actually do get a boost from steroids. A 45 year old man with test levels of a 18 year old boy. They do get quite the boost.

I take test, hcg and anastrozole. Hcg alone can help as well as clomiphene citrate without steroids or test. Real hcg not the hcg diet crap. Still need a good diet to be lean

HGH is regularly administered by doctors. Claudia Marie's physician prescibed it for her and she gets the prescription from Walgreens.

Don't believe all the bullshit the govt. tells you.

The AMA (american medical association) even told Congress NOT to make steroids illegal but they knee-jerked reacted to football player Lyle Alzado claiming that his brain cancer was caused from steroid use (even though there was zero medical proof of that...just his own guilty conscience and delusions because his brain was half eaten by cancer when he told that to Congress).

Doctors prescribe HGH, testosterone, and anabolic steroids every day of the week.

Of course you can take too much and hurt yourself. But you can do that with anything.
You can die from taking too many aspirin.

Anyway, just wanted to bring out the fact that HGH is an incredible thing. It's been used by Hollywood stars for decades (it was their little "secret" to looking so damn good).
I'm pretty much unaware of anybody ever dying from using HGH.

Read this page and/or google it and educate yourself:
http://voices.yahoo.com/human-growth...ths-46207.html

It blows my mind that modern science has figured out ways to make us all healthier, stronger, and live longer....but the govt. has convinced people that it's all "dangerous" and has no benefits.

And all the while, doctors are helping people by prescribing it every day. Crazy world.

so much crap in this thread

you want to get big, go large and low reps

its called EXCERCISE , do lots and low and do it every fucking day apart from saturday. rotate the body parts and keep upping every week. do that for a year , job done.

its the same as the diet thing, eat less

Works great for guys who are younger.

When you are older and your body's natural testosterone level is the same as an 18 year old girl's...then you need testosterone supplementation and STILL have to excercise. Not the simplistic way you described (would be overtraining)

Instead do a body part a day: Monday = Leg Day | Tuesday = Chest Day | Wed.= OFF | Thurs. = Back Day | Friday = Shoulders Day | Weekend = Off

Remember the workout isn't what makes you big. It's the recovery that does it. You break your muscles down during the workout. They grow back during recovery. If you overtrain, you never give your muscles a chance to grow back stronger.

Anyway...yes, you have to work your ass off in the gym, eat right and once you reach a certain age you will have to supplement your body with testosterone.
Everybody has a slightly different physiology.

Some guys might be just "fine" until they are in their late 40's. Some guys are already showing symptoms of "Low-T" when they are in their mid 30's.
But the good news is...NOBODY has to live like that.

Just get your test levels back up and start feeling good. And then if you want to get ripped...hit the gym and eat right.

How does B12 help?

To the OP:

Do what this guy did - He was 42 when he started.

I heard boot camps work well, but prepare to work really hard.

Well first off im still young :) Being 28 most definitely helps. My ultimate drive is never being satisfied to be completely and totally up front. The day that I get content with my physique and body will be the day I hang up the towel. Don't see that day on the horizon anytime soon :)

http://strengthaddicts.com/Interviews/JohnHansen.html
He is 50 now but he is a genetic freak.

i can lift 100 pounds over my head!

You do realize that HGH holds the LEAST side effects of anything mentioned in this thread right? Not to mention you would need to run 25-50IU a day to experience negatives...oh and just so you know an HGH kit holds 100IU's and costs between 200-600 dollars. So unless you are a secret agent, astronaut, millionaire cowboy you arent affording HGH at the levels needed to harm yourself. Personally anyone can get where they want without HGH unless youre a competitor.

Steroids...like i said I dont suggest them to anyone to be honest...most if not all of the people are uneducated and have not a clue of what theyre doing, just go off what their "Bros" tell them. Also by doing them first starting out, youre just setting yourself up to get hurt...connective tissues cant strengthen in such a short period of time. Not only would you experience Newb gains from lifting but also the gains from the steroids...baddddd combo for joints, ligaments, and tendons.

Moral of the thread...
Train hard 3-4x a week
Diet is 90% of the battle anyone can move weights
Have your friend get blood work to determine his hormones, lipids, and other levels are all within range.
If youre looking for some solid advice/training or diet protocols feel free to shoot me an email

"genetics"...

I have never competed and i am in horrible shape right now to be frank... one thing i do know about everyone that i personally know thats ever competed in a "natural" bodybuilding competition is that they used a lot of juice at one point or another to get the bulk of their size. That just hadn't done any cycles in a few years. That doesn't make it "natural" as the word implies or as others understand it to mean.

Natty bodybuilders are a rare breed. 9 times out of 10 theyre still on juice when on stage, and if its a tested show theres plenty of ways around that just need to be on short ester compounds that leave the body much faster than a long ester

None of these people are educated about what HGH is or how it's used at all. That's why they keep making these ignorant statements. Thank you for trying to educate them. It probably won't work...but at least you tried.

Also...as we see in this thread...the reverse is true as well. All these people on here talking about how "dangerous" testosterone or HGH are (even though they are both produced naturally in their bodies) are doing what you are saying that "Bros" do...only in reverse.

And what I've seen over the years is that when people do try testosterone or anabolics or HGH...they generally get educated about it real quick. Especially with the internet putting all the facts in front of you within a few clicks.

The folks that come on here babbling about the "danger" are going off of sensationalized things they saw or read or heard anecdotal. Lots of it is govt. propaganda as well.

Since those people won't just look stuff up for themselves...I'll post a little something here for them:

"While the 1980s was the true beginning of the war on steroids, many point to two particular cases as being the final nail in the coffin; the 1988 summer Olympics and Ben Johnson and the death of NFL star Lyle Alzado. Both instances provided a face to the issue; for those who were members of the anti-steroid population Johnsons victory pointed to use being cheating and Alzados death gave them the fire they needed to stand firm on their belief that steroids were not only dangerous but they would kill you; death is a pretty big weapon.
No one can argue, if steroids and the use thereof is illegal in a certain sport, such as those in the Olympic games, anyone who chooses to use them is in-fact cheating but what about the everyday guy, what about people who do not compete in competitive sports or who do so in venues where such use is not frowned upon?
As for Alzados death, his own doctors firmly stated there was no evidence anabolic steroid use led to his death, however, Alzado firmly believed they did and Congress chose to hold on to his words rather than the facts.
The original Steroid Control Act did not stop with these two examples; Congress debated on the issue for two solid years before its passage and whats interesting is the medical and law enforcement agencies they called on to testify on their behalf all claimed such a ban was without warrant.
Nevertheless, Congress ignored the testimony of the DEA, FDA, AMA, NIDA and NIH and passed the legislation officially placing anabolic steroids on the controlled substances list as Schedule III drugs. It is important to note Alzado actually died after the legislation was passed but it was his death that was one of the key factors that helped solidify the legislation so to speak; he was now the face of horror as it pertained to steroids."

Do some reading about having that ripped look.

It means having your body fat content very low, to a point of being unhealthy

I don't think he means "ripped" in the bodybuilder way.

I think he means "ripped" as in having lean muscle mass without much fat.

You're talking about getting "dry" for a bodybuilder competition. And that's something that they only do in the last couple of days so that when they walk out on stage there is no WATER retention (not fat loss...water loss) to hide their muscle definition.

That's the unhealthy part of a competition. Because it dehydrates the competitor to a dangerous level.

Getting rid of body fat isn't dangerous...especially if you are building muscle to replace it. That is healthy.

Dropping some spare lbs might be good I think but extreme pumping to get ripped might be not a healthy thing for a heart in that age.

Joe Weider (the guy who started and ran the Mr. Olympia bodybuilder championship and the guy who owned Weider supplements company) died at age 93 a few months ago.

He did "extreme pumping" (which is not something that is even being discussed here...I'm not even sure what you mean by it) until his death.

He lived an active life and had more energy and did more things every day than anybody on GFY.

But this isn't about "bodybuilding".
The OP is asking for a "non steroid" way to get ripped muscles after age 40.

First you have to have muscle tissue. Doesn't have to be "huge" just some muscle. For that you need to have proper testosterone levels.
So he should see a doctor and get checked and make sure his levels are good. If the levels are low, he should do testosterone therapy.

Then he needs to change his diet and get rid of a lot of the fat, salt, and sugar.

And then hit the gym 4 times a week and work your ass off in the gym.

These things are ALL healthy. Nothing there that is unhealthy.

Of course if he goes to his doctor to be checked for low testosterone, the doctor is going to do a physical as well as blood work. If the doctor sees that the guy has a bad heart...then obviously the doctor would tell him "no" on the testosterone and vigorous exercise.

But as long as the person is "normal"...then changing their lifestyle to exercise and eat right IS pretty much the definition of being healthy.

Good reply Robbie :thumbsup

this is as fucking ripped muscles as i could get in my late 40s

before: 18% bf, after: 6-7% bf, which was a bear to maintain. i don't even try that these days, i am on maintenance exercising to stay fit and keep ~10% bf

http://i.imgur.com/NBte7wN.jpg

Great job!

Looking lean, muscular and healthy.

thx man.

you're advice is sound. it's what i did. i do have some hinderances, majorly diabetic, so my gains were limited. but that's what kept me going too, so i guess it balanced out. but even so, getting into the best possible shape is doable.

Awesome Dyna! Before pic looks closer to 14% after looks around 9%, 6-7% youd be much more striated still effin awesome none the less

i wouldn't be surprised if the %s were off one way or the other, i do know this, that final bf was insane to maintain and while i obviously could have gone lower, i am not sure i could have withstood the stress. also, i'm convinced my type 1 diabetes limited things. there's a reason there's only been, what, 1 diabetic competitve bber right? tim belknap, if my memory serves.

I only meant starting body building after 40s (not being into it before and using things to speed up process like drugs).
But in that case if he only wants to drop fat while not using anabolic steroids I think it's all alright too. :winkwink:

This is 8.7% measured via Bod Pod, 24 hours no working out prior as well. Working out prior to getting BF taken will result in skewed results

http://s22.postimg.org/eszmxzxcx/photo_3.jpg
http://s22.postimg.org/6c04n2so1/photo_4.jpg
http://s8.postimg.org/lms7ge5yd/photo_5.jpg

Pardon the baby calves, tried just about every rep range and and weight and they just grow soooo dang slow.

damn phil, you're ripped, bra!


hard works pay off. :thumbsup

Since you said non-steroid I'll recommend what another poster here told you.
And that is BJJ, so basically what this means is....... work your fucking ass off 4 -5 times a week. In return for your hard work, lumps and bruises you get in the best shape of your life.
You also learn to defend yourself and you feel really great.
It's the hardest thing you'll ever love.
I am a purple belt and trained with World Champion buchecha almeida for over a year in Wellington, Fl.

And if you follow a just Ok diet, BJJ will rip you up if you eat even remotely properly.

Diet is still my problem, oh... and beer. >;-)) (So I'm not ripped, but then I don't care about being ripped right now)

http://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-fighter...meida-buchecha

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7n5Ge0AiCRk

It's good shit!!!

go to levronereport.com to learn some tips and watch some free videos

Kevin Levrone was a pro bodybuilder. He retired, and a few years later he started a clean lifestyle without steroids. He has developed a nice new body, nothing compared with the old monster version, but for a guy over 40 he's pretty good.