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"Mainstream" was doing pre-checked x-sells since the 1990's. Not so much anymore...but neither do porn sites very much anymore. We ALL work under the same Visa/MC rules. Also...just curious...here is my anecdotal story: I've never had my machine infected with a virus or a trojan when "searching" for porn...ever. And since I ran TGP sites and had to review hundreds of thousands of galleries by hand, that's a pretty big statement. I'm sure that it happens sometimes. Just wondering how do you go to google to search for porn in 2013 and get a virus or a trojan from searching for porn? |
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If you're in the market for ckicken coops I bet there are unscrupulous chicken coop websites out there promising you free chicken for life if you buy from them. No one ever went broke underestimatng the stupidity of the general buying public. So it comes down to WHAT you feel comfortable selling, be it porn, chicken coops, ebooks or vacation packages to Tahiti. Just do this and you'll be successful: 1. Focus 2. Have a Plan 3. Work that Plan every singe day 4. Check to see if you're getting closer to your Goals every few weeks/months; if yes, keep going, if no then change your approach 5. Never give up Insert whatever product you want and you will be successful if you do the above and never, ever stop. |
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In your example you are comparing buying a chicken coop to building one, but the plans dont really figure into that equation. And when I say "freely available" I don't mean "stolenly available". The whole porn == viruses is for the most part a myth as Robbie attested. Will you also justify the free energy or magnet generator plans that used to be on clickbank and had to move to .. plimus? I think. One is zero value and one is very low value. While there are porn sites that might aspire to being that low quality my personal feeling is, most are better than that. EDIT: Please anyone else not engaged in selling ebooks please feel free to weigh in on if you feel there are any clickbank products that you would feel OK with recommending to a family member to purchase. |
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We bought the plans, didn't feel scammed, I am certain there are others who potentially did. |
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Sold a couple books, sold a couple bottles of vitamins but nothing great. LOL Commision Junction, just remembered one. Saw crap there, too. |
I am just entering mainstream more again recently but to be honest this is mostly what I see as the top moneymakers when people brag about being in mainstream:
1. Gambling 2. Payday loans 3. Weight loss (shady scam like stuff not things which work) 4. Teeth whitening 5. other Health related scams It's mostly canned scams that you see typical mainstream IM doing. That shit isn't for me and I won't do it. But otoh "mainstream" is huge and could mean anything. It can also mean drop shipping a physical product like a craft or specially made T-shirts with custom designs. It can mean things like repairing dead ipads or iphones for people. It can mean buying products for cheap from China and reselling them domestically for more. I have a step-brother for instance who is an affiliate for a cruise line. There is no limit to what is out there. |
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Even when it was a personal favorite product that I believed in, used myself, etcetera, and would've loved to build a whole site around. |
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My point is that conversions are good, but the % is too low to bother sending significant traffic to. It is much easier to send adult clicks than "mainstream" ones. I actually think a 1:31 ratio is not great for people who clicked on a link to buy a specific book they just read about. I agree on the AdSense, as I know for a stone cold fact that AdSense would pay more, which is why I mentioned I use that above affiliate programs to monetize in that space. |
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Build small web sites for local mom and pop businesses an charge a monthly maintenance fee plus extras. (I know of companies that charge up to $1000 a dollars a month for this in my area for simple, basic old school websites, if there is any type of simple scripting involved the prices go way up which is fucking ridiculos).
Build a local business directory for your clients and charge them a monthly listing fee. |
I know a couple big success stories... mostly making stuff for either photography or sports.
One was/is a device for photography. Guy invented it and promoted himself,sold it only through his site. Made a mint. Another are guys that would take a piece of sports equipment that cost a ton in America and euro and would import the same piece from China and rebrand it. Make it Americanized and then sell for a discounted rate over the competitors and only do it online. Promote it through the sport specific forums and boards. They were smart cause they knew what would sell and it did. Kinda like the guys who knew what would sell in porn aka brazzers and bang bros. I know of some other that have targeted specific sports and made t-shirts for them too. works very well! If your just reselling shit that is available everywhere that aint gonna work. You either have to do something cheaper or rebrand it or something completely unique. But just being an affiliate selling stuff that everybody is? I think your up against forces that are smarter and better capitalized then most. |
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So basically there are Pros and Cons (or Pros and Amateurs, heh) in the big, wide world of "mainstream". Cool. Bring it on! :thumbsup |
How about advertising for non adult on adult sites? Is there any money there?
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Anytime I've ever sold in mainstream stuff online or even offline its been selling my own product or service.
I think the affiliate model is just far too low paying for mainstream. Seems most big sites that have lots of surfers are usually selling ad spots. |
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The truth I think is that in order to make a lot as an affiliate in most cases there needs to be favorable conditions for it where the company NEEDS you badly. All too often these companies don't feel they need the affiliates (let's just direct market instead, etc) so it's easy to fuck affiliates and say "so what?" if they catch on and threaten to walk. It's the difference with adult now too. A lot of these (bigger) companies if you notice just don't give a shit about an affiliate sending them a couple hundred or thousand clicks a day. They have these partnerships with the tubes or their own tubes. They don't care. When it's your own thing you don't have to worry about any of that crap. |
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Now on the other had I have no doubght that guys that owen athorty sites on various subjects can make lots of money from advertisers. |
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The vast majority of mainstream affiliates (at least on the larger boards) that are vocal about how much they are making all typically have those scammy 'make money from posting on social media' type membership sites. If you actually go the route of membership sites based on something the customer is interested in, how to diet and exercise properly, eating healthily, building body mass at the gym, etc, the revenue streams are definitely there and you are actually providing them something they want to learn about and will continue to spend their $ with you month after month. |
A couple of niche paysites I stumbled across that I thought were clever: prerecorded online guitar lessons, and revealing the secret behind magic tricks.
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I use to sell swords.
I found a guy that would drop ship them for me. I would post on ebay as lord or rings sword, excalibur sword or whatever. They order from me thru ebay for 50 dollars I send the order to guy for 30 dollars and he ships to customer. Then my listings started to get taken down saying I can't say it was lord of the rings sword or whatever. End of that story. |
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Was there no way of changing the verbiage for the listing so you could say it was without actually saying it was? |
make some good coin from mainstream domain name sales, still own around 500 .coms from 1998-2013, nothing I do in mainstream makes a ton of cash, just the combo of having so much shit running it adds up :2 cents:
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I've been doing alright with AUTO BACKLINKS :thumbsup
- 20% commissions - 100% control of the links that you show - cookie never expires - customer is yours for life! - BASIC registration is completely FREE, but clients can buy (recurring) additional link credits :) |
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http:/www.tradedoubler.com (publicly listed affiliate network) http://www.zanox.com http://www.euroads.com http://www.tradetracker.com etc.. So basically the same shit as http://cj.com The "hot" moneymakers are blogs. Not splogs. If you know how to get people to your blog and to follow it, you're in the money. Especially in fashion. The commissions are LOW (compared to adult), like 5-10% of sale.. but the conversions are 1:100 etc from clicked traffic. Tradedoubler etc also have iSales, which means you get commission if a visitor SEES you banner, but doesn't click it (and types in the sale). This is fun if you have a high-volume site, with brand name ads which also do offline ads which work in you favour. ..or if you have a big "niche" site, be it cooking or fashion, you can become friends with media agencies or traffic networks and sell traffic CPM/CPC.. or if you have a BIG site, just join rubicon, google adExchange etc and start selling preferred deals with RTB capabilites to media agencies. ..or if YOU sell goods, ie. you have an ecommerce site, do the opposite. Add your program to the affiliate networks, start BUYING RTB traffic etc... |
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If what is being posted in this thread is your understanding of "mainstream" and the potential money makers (blogs, cj, ebay), it's no wonder some of these affiliates are struggling. There is a lot more out there and it's clear you need to do some additional research.
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There is this amazing invention called the 'internet' if you couple it with a company offering name 'Google' you shall find the answers you seek... Seriously though, there are thousands, millions of different ways to make money outside of adult, you just have to find one you are comfortable spending a decent amount of time developing a traffic base for and you'll make bank. Hell, you could even take a few of the things we have in adult and make them cross-over businesses... DMCA requests are needed in mainstream too (and not just by the major film and music companies) as one example... |
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If I searched 'make money in mainstream' I wouldn't find any answers. Many of us webmasters here at gfy keep asking that same question over and over in different threads - "What do people do in mainstream?" and we all know how to not only use google but to get listed on the first page too (with variable success). I guess what most of us are asking is how to make money in mainstream in a manner that mirrors what we already know in adult. If not blogs, free sites etc... then what is the model? |
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You have to actually work, not throw up hosted tube clips, galleries, free sites, etc... There is no comparison whatsoever. |
sweepstakes (win offers) - not on google
bizz ops (ebooks) Diets pills most of these can go on Google / Rightmedia / Bing if your landers are not to hard |
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