You could not tell just by simple observation. Nasa, NOAA, and other agencies do more accurate measurements. But if you want proof you can see yourself, just watch the news - there are more floods causing more damage all over the place.

It's also not just the amount of water, its the temperature of the water. Warmer oceans bring even more problems such as stronger, larger / wider hurricanes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Sandy

Arctic Sea Ice is shrinking. Antarctic land ice is growing.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...rctic-ice.html

Sea ice is frozen ocean water and influences climate around the globe. Sea Ice is nearly white, which reflects more sunlight and absorbs less (Keeping things cool). The more it melts, the less sunlight is reflected and the more light is absorbed, warming things up. In other words, the warmer it gets, the warmer it will get.

Read more about the difference between sea ice and land ice at http://www.helium.com/items/1357583-...ence-explained.

and that, kind sir, is the biggest problem.

Solar panels installed at 29 La Vegas city-owned buildings generate a combined two megawatts of power, bringing the city?s total capacity to five megawatts and hitting a benchmark set by the city council in 2008.
Perrigo said the solar panels and other energy efficiency programs, such as installing LED light bulbs, have helped cut the city?s annual energy bill from $15 million to $10 million over the last three years.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=w5GC528gwj8

oh fuck, i KNEW the religious ppl are the idiots, but you top it with that crap ... yeah, sure, 31,000,000,000 tons of crap the humans blow into the air PER YEAR has ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT AT ALL ... how stupid cud ya be to believe that? eh!? in the name of what ever imaginary projection your feeble brain created - START THINKING!!! kill that idiot and then trust in YOURSELF and common sense and NOT LUNATIC idiocracy based on fake info ... damn!!!

http://thelastofthemillenniums.files...h-brothers.jpg

Read how the Koch brothers screwed over the climate even more than you know.

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this is like arguing with Markham about magic join links

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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...limate-change/

The glacier was still advancing until 2008, but since then it has entered a very rapid phase of retreat.[8]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10818264

5 years since you touched it eh?

he should know, they were trying to have him killed :2 cents:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

There is no argument among scientist whom aren't on big oil's pay role. Overwhelmingly scientists agree on "global climate change".

It's pretty much just lobbyist that disagree. You won see any real scientists that aren't linked to one of the lobbyists whom disagrees with global climate change.

The only mistake that was made by scientists is calling it global warming. They called it global warming because the overall trend is a warming earth.

However while the earth warms there will be extremes of both hotter summers and worse winters. The simpletons can't grasp that aspect, so soon as we have a cold winter they cry as if global warming is a fraud, rather than using their brains to see the the overall global tend which is getting hotter.

Solar prices have been dropping rapidly the last few years. Its getting very close to dropping below $1 a watt on the panel side.

In fact I installed a 300 watt system on my rv. The panels were about $350 bucks with shipping. It was the other stuff that drove the cost up.

Even still it was only about $1,3k total and that was with $400 worth of batteries as well as a high end solar converter.

I can power everything including a small DC refrigerator for 3 days with no sun. Well not the ac of course.

How are we "falling behind"? I already showed you the technology is there and has been for decades.

It's just too damn expensive.

Maybe other countries have rich citizens that can afford to put solar power on their homes? But not here in the U.S. People are barely getting by.

As I said earlier....instead of politicians giving away 2 TRILLION dollars to banks, they COULD have installed solar on every home and business in the United States and instantly created jobs and made the green energy industry profitable by paying them to DO something.

Instead, Obama hands hundreds of millions of tax dollars to "Green" companies that never actually do anything but pay themselves big salaries and then declare bankruptcy.

Maybe if Solyndra had been paid to WORK...by putting solar up on homes and businesses then we would have gotten something for our money.

That's why I keep saying that all signs point to this being a money scam. The govt. just doesn't seem to be serious about it at all.

And I keep hearing about how other govt.'s take it so seriously. Really? Then what have they DONE. Nothing. Nothing that changes anything. Just talk, and ways to siphon off more money.

As for China, and their big advancements in "Green Energy". Well, they are one of the worst polluting countries on the freakin' planet. If they are so far ahead of us on it and "Green Energy" works so good...then why don't they use it???

But how can this be if it is not real??? Didn't you say it doesn't exist. So nature is conspiring against the Republicans???

Or we can all agree it is real but it might or might not be as big of a deal as some people are saying. At least we should finally get on the same page and say yeah something is happening.

Germany,Spain, Czech Republic have all made extensive solar programs. "China plans to increase its goal for solar-power installations in 2015 by 67 percent to reduce reliance on fossil fuels blamed for greenhouse"

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...s-beijing.html

The world is all over this. It is not cost effective in most ares so they are subsidizing it. The hope is that with mass production savings combined with inovation, we will see lower costs. Yes, we had it in the 70's but it wasn't easy to produce.

It is certainly real. The only debate is if man is speeding up the process or not.

or if the process will spiral out of control with 'non natural' activity

guess we'll find out

Ignore it, it'll go away on it's own :thumbsup

No, I didn't say "it doesn't exist". I said that if it were real, that it seems to me that the world would mobilize and do SOMETHING. I've pointed out over and over and over that the U.S. Govt. talks about it, but does nothing.

The science I'm pointing out is that nature is adapting to whatever we do and NEGATING it so it pretty much doesn't exist anymore. And my post was a question. I'm no more of an expert or scientist than you are. Which means we are both ignorant except for the information we read.

I'm not really sure what an "extensive solar program" is. Sounds like bullshit.

IF they REALLY wanted to do something they would simply put solar, wind, and other "green energy" on every business and residence out there. End of story. No need for "extensive programs". Just fucking DO IT.

As you should know, China and India are burning coal like it's going out of style. And talk of "extensive solar programs" sounds like bureaucratic-speak for funneling money and not really accomplishing what is being claimed is so desperately needed.

The "world is all over this"...that's great news! Let me know which country goes all green first and doesn't use any fossil fuels. And which of their govt. officials stops riding private jets and limousines.

It's all about percentages. The best solar panels still have just under %50 absorption rates but even at that it's worth it to start installing them. As time goes buy they will get better.

Soon if you cover just the roof of your house you will power everything and have a little left over to put in your electric car.

Panels over the garage will then take care of the car and you'll have some left over energy. I believe this will happen in about 10 years.

Personally I would wait just a few more years before installing this as new batteries are going to be much cheaper and will store a week or more worth of juice to power the home.

That technology has existed here in the U.S. for decades. Not 10 years in the future.

Just google up "Complete Home Solar Systems"

We aren't "behind" anybody. NASA was making kick ass solar panels for our lunar modules in the 1960's.

My point was that it's so expensive to put them on your house that hardly anyone does. It would literally take you decades to break even on the investment in money you would save on your power bill.

And also...I asked WHY didn't Bush or Obama take those respective ONE TRILLION DOLLAR BAILOUTS EACH and instead of funneling money to banks and all the companies that are owned by their campaign contributors, why didn't they simply have every home and business outfitted with complete solar systems for every building in the U.S.?

If global warming is being caused by mankind that sure would have seemed like it would have been job number one. And it would have stimulated the economy, made Green Energy Companies viable (giant govt. contracts to install millions of buildings with solar panels), ended the recession, and the stock market would have soared and the banks would have been solvent because the housing market would have rebounded from all the people getting jobs with solar.

That is my point.
The govt. isn't taking it very seriously at all.

They make a few speeches. That's it. And nothing changes.

62 years isn't even a blink of an eye in world history. Fact is..mankind isn't even a blink of an eye.

The climate changes. Sometimes it changes overnight (like the end of dinosaurs for instance).

ok, out of the entire history of the world, can you point out when a species was able to industrialize to a point that it has the ability to change the entire planet?

obviously there will be countless options, so lets limit it to species with the resident ability to 'destroy everything' with atomic weapons.

Nope. Because it's never happened that industrialization changed the global climate before. And it still hasn't.

And yeah, scientists have said for a long time that we can blow up the world with nuclear weapons. Hopefully we will never find out if they are right.

Richard, I don't know how old you are...but when I was in highschool we were told that co2 was causing an ICE AGE. Every top scientist in the world said so. And it was on the cover of Time and Newsweek.

Then they said that NEW science shows that...oops! It's gonna be "global warming".

And most recently even NEWER science says that NO...the oceans are absorbing more CO2 and offsetting what humans are doing.

You, and all the climate change fanatics are making claims based on 10 year old scientific models that are now incorrect because of new data.

Sorry bro. You're just gonna have to continue to be alive with the rest of us. "Global Warming" isn't happening because of industrialization.

You kinda act like you want to die because we are such horrible creatures...but I"m afraid you will have to continue to live and probably at about the same temperatures that you've always known.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LOojbp8ptWI