Bro...you still do that?
website?

I've personally tried many diets, and i can tell you something:

carbs
fats
proteins

are all needed, do not supress just eat in moderation and plan your meals... carbs and fats pre workout or inmediate post workout, greens and proteins after that.

It has worked for me, there's so many other ways, but the regular eating works well if you dont eat in excess

naw, one of the stumbling blocks was my porner resume, hard to sell food after slinging porn. they all want to know my nutritional experience and background, etc, i brought in a certified nutritionist to try and be a face to the product but entities still want to know who the owner is, etc. also had some traction with the military and a school district, but again, the resume, i've been in porn for ~14 years now.

There are some important things to understand about ketogenic diets.

1) Lessened muscle catabolism for energy. This is why it was popularized outside of medicine in bodybuilding in the 50s. With a normal calorie restricted diet, a significant % of muscle loss will be lean muscle mass. In fact the loss of lean muscle mass, could account for up to 40 or 50% of the weight loss. Ketogenic diets began outside of medicine as a "Fish and Water" diet. Of course no one knew why it worked or understood the physiology behind it.. they just understood that it did work.

This is also a common claim of HCG diets. Thats because an HCG diet is nothing more than a ketogenic diet and the HCG has been proven time and time again to play zero role in weight loss and fat metabolism.

2) Stable moods and energy levels. Once you've gotten past your brain / body adapting to a new full time energy source, you will no longer combat fluctuating blood sugar levels, fluctuating energy levels etc. You will generally feel good, have energy most of the time - assuming you are well rested, dealing with stress well and so on.

3) Resetting insulin production and regulation. This is critical for overweight people who tend to quickly drift towards insulin resistance.

4) No cravings. No hunger. Hunger is an extremely complex thing in humans that involves quite a few different mechanisms in different areas of the body working together. However, a primary driver is insulin levels and related feedback loops. No insulin, no blood sugar fluctuations and a constant source of energy (dietart protein/fats, stored fats) - means no hunger and no cravings. What one might experience are more psychological and habitual rather than physiological.

This is critical to anyone who fights hunger and cravings while dieting (also regulated to a great extent by what you eat regardless). Without the concern of muscle loss and the lack of energy not being an issue and having no real hunger and cravings and using stored fat as a primary source of energy, you can basically starve yourself with no real ill effect other than the concerns over vitamins and minerals. So I often reduce my caloric intake to 500 a day and it does not affect my ability to do cardio, play sports etc as my body is not relying to diet for energy.


I can't really comment on the paleo diet. been ages since i've read anything about it. All diets are just different ways of restricting calories. In a nutshell, increasing protein, decreasing carb intake (notably simple carbs, and not those from fibrous veggies etc) and eating fat is going to minimize hunger/cravings which are primarily driven by fluctuating blood sugar/insulin. The net result is that its easier to maintain with diminished hunger/cravings and feeling more sated more often. So if it works for you and you don't have concerns about energy levels/recovery etc, then its really irrelevant what diet you stick to as long as its working for you.

All diets are different ways of restricting calories as far as weight loss is concerned. You just need to find what works for you. If you are mixing strenuous physical activity in the mix... then that requires a great deal of consideration and planning.

For the record, i don't believe Atkins created anything at all other than the products he marketed. The so called "Atkins Diet" is a term coined by the media as far as I recall. He was a good marketer and PR person for his books and products.. but didn't discover or create anything that directly relates to Ketogenic diets. He basically discovered ketogenic diets and loved meat and found it to be a great way for him to lose weight maintain. It had no relation to him being a doctor, medical research etc. In fact, he was pretty open about the fact that when this all became mainstream, there was still no real understanding of why exactly weight loss was occurring... only speculation. Much of that speculation was also proven to be wrong - such as the idea that the body simply wasn't metabolizing dietary fats or some % of whats consumed while in ketosis etc. Countless studies later, its understood that first and foremost, people who eat more diets higher in proteins tend to eat less overall calories. I believe that all he really did that could be considered something unique that he "created" was creating a maintenance phase - where more carbs are introduced into the diet for the long term. My point is more that he really contributed nothing to the understanding of ketogenic diets.

The best authority that I am aware of on Ketogenic diets is Lyle McDonnald and he's written several books and done amazingly exhaustive research on the topic for well over a decade now.

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Change your resume? :winkwink:

That's a shame man, it looks like you put a lot of work into it. Baddog seems to enjoy it, so it must be nice, I've seen enough pics of the things he likes to eat and drink on here to know he's got good taste buds :1orglaugh

really?
What would people say to you?

i have a copy of this and agree, it's comprehensive, actually somewhat easy to read, technical though. wow, $60! i should sell mine for $58 :1orglaugh

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/wp-...etogenic3d.jpg
bd knows how to mix it up to make it tasty! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh it did get commented on as being not unlike birdseed. :mad:

you know, i prolly would have just let things ride as they were and see what happens, had the med/personal issues that really made me have to stop everything i was doing.

it ultimately boiled down to not having a background in nutrition at all. the cereal was designed to be the most nutritional dense cereal you could eat. 4 tablespoons = your daily micronutrients/vita/minerals/aminos/anti-oxidants, everthing and all 100% natural. mix it with yogurt and it's a complete meal.

peeps were befuddled a non-nutritionist could do that or would even attempt to do that actually. hell, i did it for me, i got tired of the vitamins game. :1orglaugh :)

Well, to be honest, the bird seed itself is not all that tasty until you mix it in with some Greek yogurt then allow the seeds to soften a little. The reason I have been eating it for three years is what it does for me; both how I feel and the nutritional benefits it has.

It keeps me quite "regular."

Atkins died from head injuries sustained from hitting his head on the sidewalk after slipping on the ice outside of his residence.

i based it all on superfoods. ....if you are interested, this is, i think, i well put together list of the top superfoods, it has some of the exotics.

http://skinnyms.com/50-super-foods-t...shopping-list/

sent you a pm. but you answered.
You still have product?
How much sell it for ?

oh yeah, i forgot about that, :1orglaugh:1orglaugh it's loaded it up with fiber, the usda is way off on fiber requirements imo! :1orglaugh true though, by like 3-4x imo.

oh sorry, haven't gotten into the habit of checking that yet, i don't make it up in any real quantities anymore, it's a big big job, i'm focused primarliy on shooting these days tbh. it's what i'm supposed to be doing. :)

http://www.tarrantanderson.com/wp-co...what-u-eat.jpg

:stoned

ADG

1st link - do this long term only if you are a fan of heart attacks
2nd link - clusterfuck, didn't read
3rd link - it looks like a starvation diet to me, 1800 calories per day for an active guy???

:1orglaugh fair enough!

Yeah that's a shame man. It sounds like a really good product.

You know what it kind of reminds me of? That grog they eat in the Matrix. :)

Where they are saying about "It's got all you need for an entire day" or whatever it was. That's pretty cool, would make some people's lives a lot better I would imagine, if you can eat 4 tablespoons of one things and be set for the day, that's pretty cool!

Gotcha! I quite like walnuts in yoghurt, can't eat them very often plain, so I can understand that :)

it bothers me when people go on about 'exotics' and super foods.. you don't have to go exotic to be healthy, and that is nothing more than a marketing ploy.

plenty of super foods here that anyone can buy at a grocery store, this is a non profit site and all research based. http://www.whfoods.com/foodstoc.php

umm what bothers you? did you even click that link i provided? the 1st superfood on that list is a fucking apple.

i never even began to suggest people have to go exotic. but the simple fact is there are some exotic superfoods that have a vitamin, mineral or some other choice micronutrient that is not available in another food.

exotic superfood example- freeze dried cranberry powder.

Freeze Dried Cranberry Power is rich in phytonutrients, like resveratrol, pterostilbene, and proanthocyanins (PAC’s). These PAC’s are unique to and abundant in the cranberry, as they contain an A-type linkage that sets them apart from other fruits and vegetables with PAC’s.

Add the cranberry's substantial fiber content to these superlative health claims and you’ve got yourself a super fruit that rivals practically no other.

again, my goal was to create the most nutritionally dense cereal available, i use freeze-dried exotic superfoods to accomplish that.

Well, I started this thread to find out more information on the diets, and have ended up with 2 business ideas :thumbsup. Not the same as your's DynaMo, I don't like leaching off other peoples ideas, although they are similar, in putting together a package of something.

That superfoods list is really good! I find it hard to get the fruits into my diet, I do drink fruit juices etc. But don't eat enough of them.

hey, that's super man. good luck. :thumbsup fruits are underrated for their unique, non-vegetable micro-nutrients + and over-criticized for their sugar content. fruit don't get no respect! :1orglaugh

I just read that first link aswell, I kind of agree with you there! I wouldn't (and don't) eat the fats off any meat, I sometimes have Chicken skin. It doesn't sound like the right diet for me anyway, Although a large portion of it is.

I only eat red meat once per week, and Eggs rarely due to cholesterol. I also only eat Prawns rarely for the same reason.

I'm thinking for my meat protein to go with; Chicken, Pork, Turkey, Salmon, Cod, Haddock, Mackrel (spelling?), whatever other fish I can get hold of.

I'll have Eggs, Steak, Prawns, Scallops etc. as a "treat" probably.

Thanks man! :thumbsup Got some research to do.

There was a thread on here a while ago, you might have read it or even posted in it, about sugar(s)? I can't remember what it was now.

But anyway, I've always thought refined sugar is worse than naturally occuring sugars in fruits etc. But a lot of people kept suggesting "sugar, is sugar" I still don't believe that to be honest.

If I drank 2 litres of fruit juice one day, and 2 litres of coke another, I believe the natural sugars on the fruit juice day would be better dealt with by my body because they are natural, and give me added benefits. The coke day would probably fuck around with my bodies sugar levels, and give me no health benefits.

I reckon insulin levels, the pancreas, liver and kidneys probably deal with natural sugars from fruits, as opposed to the almost drug properties of refined sugar.

But, I don't know if that's all total bullshit, i'd rather have that mindset to try and stop myself drinking the dirty black stuff :)

I love walnuts. :) I was talking to an older Swiss guy one time about the cereal I ate and he told me his mother always told him as a kid that you can not go wrong by watching what birds eat.

I that is why I juice; no way would I eat enough fruits and veggies on my own.

:1orglaugh that's probably not bad advice actually! Seeds are a damn good source of all sorts of things.

I was having smoothies, but they were so thick! It was almost like drinking an extra meal after dinner, or I had to have it for lunch, which I didn't enjoy much on its own.

Juicer is next on my list to buy. Do you do anything with the left-overs? I read a suggestion of putting the pulp on a salad to get the remaining nutrients out of the fruit, and reduce wastage. Not sure it would taste too good, or be of much use myself, but some people do it apparently.

The dry pulp on a salad would suck. :2 cents: Sometimes we juice with the specific intent of using the pulp, such as carrots and pineapple for carrot cake. But most of the time it gets tossed.

People suggest that is a waste, but your body does the same with it.

it's a fun topic to dive into and the things you will learn can stick with you a long time too.

re: fruit, you are on the right path, overall, but generally speaking, it's the fiber that makes fruit ok and good. fruit juice for instance, is refined..... so the sugar in it is also considered refined. + it's not the ratio of sugar to liquid as soda pop. what is pop these days, 9-12 spoon fulls of sugar per 120z? fruit juice is far far from that, although still refined. but eating a piece of fruit, that gets you, imo, a naturally synergistic effect in addition to the fiber slowing down the sugar being absorbed.

not discounting juicing here, it has tremendous benefits.

1 cup of carrot or celery juice provides most of the same nutrients found in 5 cups of those same vegetables chopped up

http://cancer.stanford.edu/patient_c...ngRecipes.html

Cake sounds like a good idea! I'll try that when I get one, for fruits without seeds/pips anyway.

Yeah I wouldn't have thought the pulp would be very nice to eat, but there ya go.

No idea, but it's probably too much sugar in soda. I also thought the sugar in fruits were almost like "complex carbs" you hear about etc. So I'm trying to have my first day of 0 bread for as long as I can remember today as well.

Done a 18 hour fast today. Need to start drinking more water, and doing some more working out.

It's strange how much better I feel, the longer I wait for a meal, seem to be able to pack in more good stuff into that meal aswell.

Just had; about 10 chunks of chicken breast, done in 2 different styles of kebab. With a skewer of red pepper and onion chunks, with another small skewer of mushrooms (thanks Baddog, never tried doing them that way before!) and a bit of Lettuce and Tomato on the side. No bread, no processed condiments, just salt, pepper and olive oil on most things, herbs and spices and some salt on the kebabs.

Yum!

Blimey! That's pretty good. I've never tried carrot juice on its own before to be honest. Juicing will probably help me get the benefits of some other things I can't stand on their own. Things like celery, beets, cucumber etc. I don't eat on their own, my taste buds don't seem to like them.

But, my tastes are changing, I never used to eat mushrooms, or asparagus, now I love both :Oh crap

Just wanted to update the thread.....

The Paleo diet (for those interested), seems to be an easier / less strict keto diet from what I've been reading thus far. Here is the basic plan / breakdown I've been able to gather on what to do and when.

Sunday: Eat what you want, it's a rest day.
Monday: First fast, try to aim for 24 hours, non-caloric drinks up to your first meal of the day. Use BCAAs before and after working out.
Tuesday: Fast, 100 Grams of carbs MAX. Minor work out, such as a walk or run.
Wednesday: Fast, 100 grams of carbs MAX. Proper work out with BCAAs.
Thursday: Fast, 150 grams of carbs MAX, Minor work out.
Friday: Fast, 100 grams of carbs MAX, proper work out with BCAAs.
Saturday: Fast, 100 grams of carbs MAX, proper work out with BCAAs.

That's just the basis I can gather so far. Sounds like Keto but a lot easier to eat carbs with. The main thing seems to be avoiding all grains.

You should understand that low carb and your body being in a state Ketosis is not comparable to this. Two very different things.... particularly when you mix in athletics/training.

I just wrote an article about juicing outside your comfort zone; when I hit publish I will come back with a link. Juicing eliminates the "I don't like it" factor if you follow our method.

Well, perhaps the Paleo diet isn't close to the Keto diet then. The concept I've gathered so far (still reading up on it) is this:

Fasting for 16 hours minimum per day (for 6 days, 1 day off).
Protein is important, Chicken, Eggs etc. are all on the list of foods.
Carbs come from fruits and veg, and the rest of the food list (nuts, seeds, beans etc).
No refined foods, like bread etc.
Avoid beer (be hard for me!) Red wine is apparently ok.

Anyway, When I read about the fasting, I thought/assumed it was the same thing DynaMo was doing. But it's obviously different in certain ways. I'd never manage minus 25g carbs per day anyway :)

Sounds good to me!

Side note: I've seen a juicer that can also make soy milk that's on sale, need to read some reviews first before buying one though :).

http://facesofjuicing.com/juicing-ou...-comfort-zone/ I have an article on juicers there too.

And as far as not drinking beer, I have probably lost 30 lbs in the last two years . . . and I enjoy beer on a regular basis.


http://craftbeerguy.com/wp-content/g...raneo_0345.jpg

A Ketogenic diet is forcing your body to burn fat as a primary source of fuel (being in "ketosis") as there is not sufficient carbs, no insulin, no blood sugar, glycogen stores are depleted etc.

The paleo diet is just another way of restricting calories as all diets are and all that will really matter in the end is what is working for you and what is sustainable for you. There is no magic answer as all diets are basically doing the exact same thing.

Without getting too far into it, it would seem to me that if you were going through that much trouble to count calories, macro nutrient ratio's etc... you might as well just figure out where you need your calories at based on your BMR + physical activity and shoot for a 500 a day deficit.


Also, its quite easy to stay below 25gr of carbs a day, as you will have virtually no appetite and no cravings and very stable energy levels :)

Good article :thumbsup I heard previously, that lemon juice is the best thing to use to nullify any un-savoury flavours in a juice recipe. Probably because it's so tart. I think it was mostly for vegetable only recipes though.

I read the one for the juicer aswell, Breville stuff is usually pretty good actually! Not going to rush into buying a juicer, I'm going to read all of the reviews possible on them before I even think of getting one. I'm pretty sure I've seen the one you suggest in quite a few top 5s and top 10s :thumbsup

Gotcha! I think the Paleo diet is focused on fasted training and keeping insulin levels in check for long periods, not so much the ketosis aspect.

I'm giving it a shot, I'll probably end up doing partly my own thing, and maybe mixing it in with something else to make it suit me personally, and make it into a plan of what I could/would like to do.

I'm planning on doing either a website or blog to go along with this, could be interesting to write everything out.

What beer is that by the way Baddog? It almost looks like strawberry Fruli, but not as dark.

Perhaps a Raspberry IPA? I was going to say wheat, but unless it's been put through a filter, it looks too clear.

I should be in ketosis soon. Started this yesterday:


MEAL #1 5 whole eggs (OMEGA-3 EGGS ); add another 4 egg whites to this

MEAL #2 SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 ? tablespoon of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar)....

MEAL #3 "Lean Protein Meal": 8oz chicken with 1/3-cup cashew nuts (almonds, or walnuts)

MEAL #4 SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 ? tablespoons of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar added

MEAL #5 "Fatty Protein Meal": 8oz Salmon, Swordfish, or RED MEAT with a green salad (no tomatoes, carrots, or red peppers) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Macadamia nut oil and vinegar..

MEAL #6 SHAKE: 50g Whey with 1 ? tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 4 whole (Omega-3) eggs and 4 extra whites..