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Struggle4Bucks 07-15-2013 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kafka (Post 19718639)
The picture galleries have also embedded movies. THAT won't sell.
Use pictures OR movies .

Why is that?

mineistaken 07-15-2013 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19718673)
maybe it's just a calculation: increased bandwith compared to increased (or not) sales =
or = not profitable. I hear people say bandwith doesn't cost a thing... well... I get the fucking bill every month and it's really not for fucking free:winkwink:

That would be seriously wrong calculation. No way of knowing what would sales have been if they did not offered embeds in the first place.
For instance X sales, then embeds offered X+y sales. They see that y sales does not cover hosting and disabled embeds. But who knows if they would have gotten same X sales without offering embeds. Maybe not only "y" but also part of "X" was due to embeds.
Seriously wrong calculation that would be.

Sly 07-15-2013 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19718673)
maybe it's just a calculation: increased bandwith compared to increased (or not) sales =
or = not profitable. I hear people say bandwith doesn't cost a thing... well... I get the fucking bill every month and it's really not for fucking free:winkwink:

I have a 100 mbps server for $60 a month.

Free? No. Pretty damn cheap? Yeah. :winkwink:

Struggle4Bucks 07-15-2013 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19718706)
That would be seriously wrong calculation. No way of knowing what would sales have been if they did not offered embeds in the first place.

I don't know how long they were offering it.

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19718706)
For instance X sales, then embeds offered X+y sales. They see that y sales does not cover hosting and disabled embeds.

Exactly

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19718706)
But who knows if they would have gotten same X sales without offering embeds. Maybe not only "y" but also part of "X" was due to embeds.
Seriously wrong calculation that would be.

Check sales pre embedded videos and check sales during embedded videos... increase in traffic and costs: yes - increase in sales: no... then skip embedded videos. Since you can't exactly count the sales that come from embedded videos you can only watch the bigger picture or trend: increase traffic-costs against the sales.

When I did put a trailer (4 minutes) in every fhg, my bandwith trippled and the costs increased, but... the sales also increased. I have no hard proof it were the trailers in the fhg's but the fact that increasing sales started when i put the trailers in the fhg's it was enough proof for me to claim it was no coincedent. So I kept them in...

Struggle4Bucks 07-15-2013 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19718723)
I have a 100 mbps server for $60 a month.

Free? No. Pretty damn cheap? Yeah. :winkwink:

I pay 5 eurocents per 1gb datatraffic... yeah yeah i know i'm getting fucked:disgust

CT-Content 07-15-2013 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by zdeneczek (Post 19717951)
links pulled :disgust

Stopped promoting them when Damian was hired !
WTF ever happened over there D ?

mineistaken 07-15-2013 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19718767)
Check sales pre embedded videos and check sales during embedded videos... increase in traffic and costs: yes - increase in sales: no... then skip embedded videos. Since you can't exactly count the sales that come from embedded videos you can only watch the bigger picture or trend: increase traffic-costs against the sales.

I explained why it would be wrong way to count already. Again, example.

You get 1000 sales/month. Offer embeds and get 1100 sales/month.
You look at profit from 100 extra sales and see that it does not cover BW.
But how do you know if only 100 were due to embeds? Maybe 200 (without embeds maybe you would have had only 900 sales/month) ?

Not to mention other variables such as extra webmasters who started pushing your program on some sites not using embeds just because they used some embeds on some of their sites and decided to build some extra non embed sites pushing lady sonia. Thats just one out of many possible scenarios which you can not correctly count into if embeds were profit or loss..

DWB 07-15-2013 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SAC (Post 19718640)
this has NOTHING to do with sales, conversions or bandwidth

but everything to do with REDIRECTING ALL fhg links WITHOUT ref links

And none of that has anything to do with the situation at hand because they terminated their hosted FLV videos, not their FHG.

NewNick 07-16-2013 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19718612)
I have no problem with them but unfortunately I was never able to sell them very well either when compared to others. I made a few sales and they seemed like nice people on the board.

I wonder could this be partially be related to the mess in the UK with ATVOD in some way?


And the winner is.....

Klen 07-16-2013 02:19 AM

In my experience programs which usually do things like this going out of business.
I mean seriously bandwidth cost nothing these days.

Nasty 07-16-2013 02:24 AM

never could convert them but this seems like a stupid move. I have a couple of programs that I do well with using hosted flv's

3xmedia 07-16-2013 03:19 AM

shit list updated.

DVTimes 07-16-2013 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CT-Content (Post 19718778)
Stopped promoting them when Damian was hired !
WTF ever happened over there D ?

This is probaly one of Damians great ideas.

he he

Ferus 07-16-2013 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19718629)
Why do that? Wouldn't hosting bill be the same per single embed?

Interested to know their methodology, what exactly is considered sale from embed and what is not (text link close enough to embed is or not?).

One short 5sec clip followed by 30 sec static sign/test explaining the videos are currently "exclusively" avalible at the site only, is a file arround 150kb rather than 30mb trailer. That is a big difference

SGS 07-16-2013 09:30 AM

We should have all of the FLV files replaced with the new FLV trailer which keep the correct affiliate code in a couple of days.

We are working as fast as we can. :)

ruff 07-18-2013 09:00 AM

There are going to be a lot of embedded videos webmasters will never take down. They will salvage the traffic without the affiliate link. More and more of this is starting. A lot of programs are looking at all the affiliate accounts that have less than minimum for a check. Program owners see that money and start closing affiliates that don't send or have only sent a few hits iin the past few months. It's just too good to ignore. The porn model is changing, time to get what traffic you can, take that money just sitting there. What's anybody going to do? Nothing. Grouse a bit on GFY and move on.


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