And if you were "getting handled" on the way to your death you would not panic, right, tough guy? :1orglaugh

During the trial the Physicians Assistant that examined Zimmerman and was a prosecution witness...testified that Zimmerman...in her medical opinion...had a broken nose and several contusions/knots/bumps on the back...side and front of his head...as well as two lacerations to the back of his head...which would mean that his head was bashed either by concrete or fists or both...multiple times.

There are a multiple reasons why a person would not want to go to the ER...not the least of which it usually costs in the thousands of dollars.

Tell you what, if this had gone the other way, you wouldn't be reading about Trayvon doing anything positive if he got in the news. As far as I'm concerned it's a tragedy but the right person walked away.

I have seen Boxers die from head injuries, that "don't look that bad"

Once you get Knocked out, it isn't like the old days when people get off you and walk away. They use that time to Stomp you!

Teens kill people all the time..

dood boxers walk out of the ring all the time feeling fine only to die days later .... rochard argument is invalid I am convinced he is losing it... as a usmc myself I want you to know he has lost his marbles

Mark: You do not know the facts; you did not watch the trial. I did. What people think might have happened that did not watch the trial means less than nothing to me.

I have heard TM's family's attorney talk about the tape and she never says anything about it possibly being "coons" she says "they" in "they always get away with it" must mean blacks. She is the racist.

hubba hubba id like to ride that canoe with you :winkwink:

See this kind of comment is what I think makes many people see racism. What do you base this on? I know when I was his age I did pot (so does 50% of the population that age if not more) and I was suspended more times than him. I wasn't a bad person.

I would not expect a 17-year-old male that likes to get into fights doing many heroic things. Has nothing to do with being black. Take 17, male, and likes to fight? that's all you need.

They werent on trial for killing someone.

Yes but if an unarmed teen attacked me when witnesses were present and someone stated the cops were called I probably wouldn't be so kick to blow the kid away UNLESS I felt he were armed or that I were in very serious danger.

IF that was Zimmerman screaming like mad then I believe (rightly or wrongly) that he felt this. I respect that. But all the same it could have been Trayvon screaming upon seeing the gun too. People can say what they want but I seriously doubt TM was a criminal who was used to gunfights or life or death fights. Most kids that age are going to freak out when someone points a gun at them even if they act like tough gangsters (which TM was NOT).

If you pull a gun on most unarmed 17 yo kids or otherwise show that you have one during a fight they are going to run like hell, beg for their life, or scream for help. They aren't going threaten you with "you are going to die tonight" (unless they are on something). The whole thing just smells funny like GZ freaked out a bit and went overboard in more than one way and then made up some parts of the story to make him look the best. I don't know what is true. I wasn't there. But that is how it seems to me.

I liked fights too at 17. It didn't mean I ran around starting them with random people. It didn't mean I could do no good ever in my life and it definitely didn't mean I deserved to be shot. I've done a lot of good for people actually.

Like I said. I don't believe that GZ is a racist. But I'm prone to believing that some of his supporters are racists even if they don't yet realize it. I question which side many people would take if the races were switched around and TM were a white 17 yo kid and GZ were a black man.

I've NEVER heard anyone suggest before that 17 yo white kids who do little things like pot or get suspended from school (Bart Simpson type stuff) are thugs who deserve to be shot and "wouldn't do anything good in their lives anyway".

I'm NOT for civil rights charges against GZ for racial reasons. But I do think many of his supporters are racists and I can see why minorities are upset. The things many of you have said would likely qualify for hate speech in a few nations. Charles Barkley has it right.

Of course, when you add the women's jewelry and the screwdriver you definitely have the makings of a hero.

So, you think it is okay for the prosecution to lie and withhold evidence because they were not the ones on trial? Wow, I sure hope you are on trial someday, would be fun to watch.

But none of your comments change the fact that GZ could NOT LIE to the court because he NEVER TESTIFIED.

How racist are you?

Of course he may have had those items for legitimate reasons too. After all he was never charged let alone convicted. In fact TM had no criminal record from what I understand. Yet people treat it as if he were in a gang and he was doing drive-by shootings and dealing crack.

The screwdriver is almost meaningless. It's claimed that it is a burglary tool but it's also still just a screwdriver. Sometimes I carried one to school too after working on my car. The same for the women's jewelry. It could be for his girlfriend or a gift from someone paying him or something. Who knows. It could be anything. If something were stolen you would think someone would have reported it and he would have been busted. You can't just assume he is a criminal. I guess you can but it's not right.

LOL! You always have an excuse ready for the bad guys!

They are the officers of the court who are supposed to be seeking the truth. Not hiding it.

baddogs turning into paul markham quick

How do you figure that? We aren't even discussing off-line porn VS online porn.

Your analogy makes no sense.

Why do people have to bring stuff up as if it was a fact when the trial proved otherwise and is already over?

Zimmerman had a ganked nose until he pushed it back into place. It wasn't broken. Call it fucked up for about 10 minutes.

Zimmerman was not shown medically to have had his head "bashed." He was examined, please keep that in mind, and he had 2 abrasions and a couple of areas they thought might be bumps with one examiner even saying it's possible it's just the shape of his skull. The abrasions were treated with 2 band aids which is the proper treatment for skinned knees too. I'm not saying he wasn't in fear for his life, I'm just saying that there is no longer a need to continue embellishing the story.

The jury has spoken after hearing all of this. They didn't require him to have a "broken" nose and his head "bashed" and neither does anyone else. All you have to show is you were in fear regardless of who instigated it in the first place.

Uhm... when your nose is out of place... i.e. separated where the cartilage meets the bone... and has to be "put back into place" using your own words, its now called "ganked" and not "broken"?
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I can't believe Dave doesn't make you change your nickname so your unending stupidity is not associated with PimpRoll.

In fact, its sort of a pussy move to keep your nick if you don't work for them.

He doesn't work for them? Bummer for them I guess

So many tough guys on the board.

i think we have more mma ninjas here then the mma ring sees in a year..lol

Well. i was laughing with another program owner about how this guy could possibly work for PimpRoll since they are all fairly conservative people and more or less aggressive and conservative personalities. I couldn't imagine how Dave could tolerate him at all. The guy just laughed and said he hasn't worked for them for a very long time (couple years?).

I've also heard some very comical stories about him hitting people up for work and making rather bizarre proclamations about what he was and wasn't willing to do and people were asking around trying to decide if he was even for real or not. Almost like he was looking for work to satisfy unemployment requirements but not really wanting a job.

Thats why it cracks me up to see him come here and staunchly defending welfare. It's not really a surprise. He probably has no choice as its his bread and butter.

... and that begs an interesting question... does he even have anything to do with the biz at all?

Well, if he doesn't work for PimpRoll but uses their name in his handle, I would guess not. But it sounds like this is based on hearsay . . . so, who knows.

maybe he is unaware of being able to change his name.

I would personally change my name the day i was not with a company

as i did about 11 years ago :)

ok for the sake of argument...

my boy john bravo
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MZwmA4Dyu5w
16 years old here ... I known the kid since he was like 13.... if this kid came at any one of you with his bare fist you motherfuckers are in trouble... when this kid was 15 you guys would be in trouble.... he fights 135 ill put him against 185-205er's all day.... age is a number

these kids are fucking strong these days.. it's not like it was in our days man im amazed all the time... in this video keep in mind.. 16oz gloves and headgear... to score a delayed knockout on a grown ass man with 16's and headgear = hard fucking punches..... this trayvon kid his body fat was what? 10% I think they said or less... im an athlete and im 6-7% this kid was strong and could whip 99% of gfy period...

fact
17 years old strong
1 bullet
end of story self defense

Ooops. Was just told he hasn't worked for PimpRoll for a few years now.

Uhh, why would he kill them?

They weren't violently attacking him and slamming his head into the concrete...

Whatever you do don't say Paul Markham three times in a row.

LOL :winkwink:
I do love kayaking. :thumbsup

Look! It's Cleo. Here. Posting on GfY.

Cleo!

I've been here for years. Just don't post a lot. :)

How have you been?

Sometimes you make sense, this is definitely not one of those times.

I think all of us respectable people know that chances are Trayvon was going to grow up to be a piece of shit and was already on the path to being so.

And when I say Trayvon wasn't going to produce any positive news items, I meant, IN HIS FUTURE, as in, in the fullness of time. Not just because he was a youth.

I don't think TM was going to grow up to be a piece of shit.

I think he pretty much acted like millions of teenage boys (both black and white) do.
When I was a teenager I did all that shit too with my group of buddies.

Took baseball bats to mailboxes. Shoplifted candy out of the 7-11. Smoked a LOT of pot. Etc., etc.

That's what young guys running around in packs do.

Then you grow up.

That's why I have said that I don't put anything past a young man. At 17 they can be very, very dangerous.

TM was pretty tame from everything I've seen of his "bad" behavior.
He wasn't close to being as "bad" as I was at that age...and I was considered pretty "good" compared to the shit that the real "bad" kids did in my school.

I think that when he grew out of that phase then whatever his intelligence level is would dictate what the rest of his life would be. If he was smart (and no, school grades don't always reflect that) then he may have had a very successful life.
At minimum he would have probably been like millions of other people and had a job, a wife, and kids 10 years from now.

You're going on in this thread about me too?

If I can I'll have my name changed back to Tom_PM which I *think* was the account we converted to pr_tom when I worked for them. As I recall when I asked about this name nobody cared that I still used it. I also use it on other adult boards but don't have much time to post normally as I'm working (yes, in this industry since 1999.. sheesh. I'm like a ninja evidently)

In any case, I'm pretty much an open book and I think most people who've been around a while know that. I won't speak of things I might not be allowed to legally, but since it's bothering one person to distraction (I'm flattered) I'll email someone about changing my name. Whats the best person at GFY to email? Thanks.

bottom line the guy was found not guilty
 

bottom line the guy was found not guilty, a jury of his peers heard all the evidence and believed his story that it was self defense, case closed. While it is unfortunate that someone lost their life in the incident, there are thousands of murders everyday, get over it.

Thanks. I was beginning to think I was all alone on this one.

I guess we need to agree to disagree.

(EDIT)
I admire your openmindedness, and I think you have a *general* point.

What you've said sortof adds up to believing Trayvon was the more likely one to initiate a physical confrontation though, doesn't it? That it wouldn't seem out of character for him to make aggressive threats like "you're going to die tonight"?

Leaving that aside for a minute, how about him planning to purchase a gun (and/or actually possessing one as the pictures indicate)?

Or actual burglary / breaking into cars?